Personally, I'm worried about the sound more!!! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
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Personally, I'm worried about the sound more!!! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
From what I heard (from my finnish friend and what he read in media) Toyota wrc27 cars might be managed from private teams. Two of them... one from Estonia.
The full article:Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/the-g...with-wrc-2027/
But another thing to take into account was the fast development in Group A back in the day, soon making them faster than the prevoius Group B cars.
There doesnt seem to he the chance of this with the Regs of the WRC27...
RMC to unveil their WRC27 project on Thursday at Canaria.
https://as.com/motor/mas_motor/un-co...uto-f202604-n/
Cool, good to see some kind of positive news in the wrc!
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"The comparisons are fair, but are they sensible?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
No.
Firstly, the sport isn't changing, WRC is. Outside WRC, Rally2 is already the pinnacle. Group B were used all over.
Secondly, today's Promoter tour cannot be compared with the FIA's competition of the 1980s.
Do you really think that Prospeed will be more or less on same level like Toyota?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth
Toyota is on next level just like it's in real world. That's why nobody surpass them in sales. They just know how things are going.
Depends what is more or less same level. But I don't whink it will be the Lancia Delta vs Ford Sierra and VW Golf II level of difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
And even Toyota could be hard pressed to beat the existing Rally2s. Have the likes of Prospeed any hope ?Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
“We know the regulation is quite a big change and it’s now the job of the team to get everything to max out. We know it’s going to be a very, very big challenge to beat the Rally2 cars. It’s a big job,” Tänak told Dirtfish.
Hi all, finally able to register! Hope to have some good discussions about the WRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
On topic: Toyota wants to continue to sell Rally2 and support their customers that already bought one. It would be unwise from them to hint that the WRC27 is the future of performance
Maybe, at least until the new cars go on sale.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferranis
Welcome.
If we for all practical purposes say that Rally2 is the new top class, since WRC1/27 will be a Toyota for a few years.
Then the role of the Rally3 class will become much more important for privateers in WRC and regional series, much due to cost. Will we then see that Stellantis and new manufacturers will construct a Rally3 car?
Close to 400 Rally3 cars buildt so far, they are now aprox as fast as a Rally2 car was a few years ago, for a lot less budget to buy, and to maintain.
there's a rumor about toyota using the rally2 as officials while handing out the wrc27 to private teams (redgrey?) at least for a couple years...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferranis
I doubt they are as fast as even the first r5 cars were. Maybe as fast as the s2000.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
And first R5 cars are on almost same price for running the car...Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HGhIbvJW...jpg&name=smallQuote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Are you saying that the side-effects of making RC2/Rally2 the top category to specifically get larger top fields and locals v elites, davids v goliaths... is that the locals and davids will drop a tier?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Possibly a Toyota team plays with the Toyota Yaris on the surface while Gazoo Racing do the WRC27 stuff, but then what's in it for Toyota? I can't see there being a championship for Rally2 manufacturers.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
A good possibility when the existing Rally2 GR Yaris has had so much more time and development plus real rally experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
It would also be a kind of level playing with Hyundai and MSport and their Rally2 cars next year while they decide what to do. And if they (especially likely Hyundai) pull out, Toyota could too and leave it to the private team and the WRC27 Car.
Pull out of specifically *what*, and leaving *what* to the private teams?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
In other words, what championship titles will there be and eligibility?
What's incentivising Toyota in running Rally2s? An RC2 'top class' does not mean an RC2 eligible team/constructor championship.
Should be here tomorrow...Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
https://automovilismocanario.com/202...-by-rmc-rfeda/
as things are there will be no distinction in championship between rally2 and wrc27, so they ll go anyway for the wrc championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
I know this topic is mainly focused on the technical part of WRC27 category, but since the discussion expanded to teams and where/how the WRC should go with the new Promoter, I'd like to paste a comment I really liked in the comment section of the Dirtfish article, which IMHO would be great to introduce people and all those "Average Joe" that doesn't have a really clue about rallying.
What do you think about this idea? I think it would be very refreshing for the sport, even though I would add some money prizes, like it was years ago the Golden Stage Rally in Cyprus (IRC era) to spice things up even more.Quote:
I'd say, controversially and hated by most fans
- Let rallies run how they want Thursday to Saturday night - award constructor points only on Saturday night based on finishing positions.
- Sunday - reduce margins that each driver has over their rivals to 10%. So if they have a 2 second lead, it becomes 0.2 seconds. A 2 minute lead becomes 12 seconds etc. Let them then race it out on the last stage for the overall win. However Sunday stage or (2 stages) needs to be televised live in a 2 hour package, heavily publicised, heavily marketed, cater towards causal fans, have concerts, fun fairs around the stages etc.
Well...Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Moved to new time of 16:15Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth
LIVE
https://www.instagram.com/shakedown_...g0NHprYm9neg==
Dirtfish:
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/wrc-2...w-constructor/
Car ready to test in October 2026, hope to enter WRC mid-2027. Not based on any road car.
Then there was no immediate need to introduce WRC27, just a new way for the long term future of the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
They should just have gone the Rally2 as main category route. Maybe with bigger restrictor onlyQuote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Quite unlogical move, right? Maybe a clue that they already give up too and will rather run proven Rally2 car.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
Still trying to understand if as and when these "tuners" have their cars ready to compete, will they be able to pay drivers or simply offer the cars to well healed individuals? If a lot of budget has been spent developing a car and then running it surely unlike a manufacturer there wont be much left in the pot to pay salaries..
why? the wrc27 was a tight schedule from the beginning, we still dosn't know thr reg. and toyota is basically the only manufacturer to have a project on it. they can take it extremely easy developing, while using the rally2 car till the end. rally2 will fade out toward 2030 and leave place to the new reg.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
Off-topic: Subaru just presented the new car for Japan Championship - SUBARU Boxer Rally spec Z (or shortly, BRZ lol), with 2.4T Boxer and All Wheel Drive
It will debut at Rally Asuka in two weeks
https://x.com/SUBARU_STI_MS/status/2047605512695611634
(I still cannot upload photos for some reason)
It would be much easier to make the Power Stage time increased. I'd even do 2x or 3x.
In my opinion, rally needs cheap, powerful and safe cars. Very few people can afford a Rally1, so there's few manufacturers and some of them don't even offer customer cars at all.
Cars don't even need to be fast, they need to sound and look fast. If you see a porsche passing by, it looks fast but it's usually slower than the rc3 that just passed and made little noise.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaBUru38
we could make the cars a lot cheaper by limiting a lot of things. why do we need 200k engines, when there are engines available that produce just as much power for 20k?
Expect the new Promoter will run the draft and handle that unless there's many options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal yet again
Right, but they didn't. They want to encourage the new cars across the sport, not just RallyTV. There's now 3 constructors with rumours of more teams. It's already enough not to need Rally2s in a championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by COD
Would have made RGT like reglement for the top class. Ferrari Rally VS Porsche Rally VS Alpine rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
We should really go back to rear wheel drive.
What do I know though
And 2 of those two will not be ready by the time. So how the championship will look like in contructors view. Toyota WRT. That's it. And even if they will enter in the middle of the season. There will not be enough events to catch the Toyota drivers and their team. So the 2027 looks a bit pointless. Except if they postpone the whole thing until 2028 and all run Rally2 cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan