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Many people here have said how impressive Abbring was. Really? Slowly cruising through the event, I fail to see the impressive part
I haven't watch any videos, can't tell how good it was. But his aim seem to be achieved, bring the car home and gather experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by COD
I expect Abbring to be much faster than Paddon after some time.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
me too. I'm little disappointed by Paddon, though we must consider he was driving Sordo's car here, which turned out problem for Hyunday, so this Rally can't be true judgement for Paddon's speed. We'll see.Quote:
Originally Posted by WUff1
Video online
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqluZzOSfFg
Thanks! Couldn't be bothered going over it once more deleting clips, knew it would be hard when i had 10 min of usable clips from shakedown already :pQuote:
Originally Posted by MartijnS
Kev's performance in Sweden wasnt superb, it was average, nothing special. But it was without real preparation and I didnt expected anything special from him there...Quote:
Originally Posted by COD
You might also consider that this was Paddon's second ever rally on snow and that, in all likelihood, the instructions from the boss were to bring the car home in the points. A job which he fulfilled admirably.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
What is there to be disappointed about?
I think you'll find Paddon's speed quite different on surfaces he's familiar with and in a car set up to his liking. If Abbring can keep up ... we'll be in for a treat.Quote:
Originally Posted by WUff1
Yes, I know he is unfamiliar with snow and as I said the car was not assembled for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
Well at least on few stages some times close to Neuville'sQuote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
What is the point in trying to set a time close to Neuville, why risk it, especially with less than ideal set up. This was not the rally to proveing anything, it was to collect manufacture points which he didQuote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
I'm not an expert but looking to wikipedia's profile of drivers it seems very common they retire in their debut on WRC class. Am I wrong? Abbring saw the finish line without rally2 in a car he never drove and in an unfamiliar surface. He grabbed 1 point. Nothing too much impressive but not a disappointment at all.
Poor arguments. It's not about only this rally on snow surface. His whole performance in WRC car is poor. His attitude is weak. So many other youngsters have appeared and achieved this or that, who do you compare Paddon with? If he is about to become the new Ostberg, then no, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
I thought it was a solid performance from Kevin. Standing stage-side he looked good and not out of place at all. First snow event in a WRC car okay, but completely wrong to say it's a car he never drove. He's done plenty of testing with Hyundai in the last 12 months - just not highly publicized.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
12 months? Did he?
Only shaking the cars down before events, not full blown stage testing. His main 'issue' in Sweden were the pacenotes, since he's not yet used to the speed of the car. That should come with experience though.
You simply can't judge drivers on 'one off' events. Have you heard the term 'small sample size'? A driver needs at least a full season to enable conclusions to be drawn. Also, nobody knows what they have been asked by the team.
Are you trying to compare Paddon with Ostberg?Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Paddon is early in his career, he has a manufacturer support now so no excuses, if he manages to be close to his team mates it will be good for him. I have not made my mind yet on him, i think there is potential but needs to improve rally by rally.
If you are a proffesional and have good pacenotesystem, then they should be good for any car. The road is the same, and that is what the pacenotes describe!Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
There is a difference if you write pacenotes when you are used to the car you drive. You know how fast you arrive and can take a corner only by expericene. If you never did a stage before in a WRC it seems logical to me that its difficult to write the correct notes at the recce...
Depends on your pacenote system. If it is primitive, like "5 left, medium right" then you'll be in trouble. If you describe angles of corners and distance between them then it's all up to your talent to adjuct the speeds.
Kevin uses a mix I believe. Things like 'left 10 round' but also 'slight right' and even 'á fond.' That's when you will be in trouble indeed, if you don't know the speed of the car you can't know if a corner is flat or not. You'll need more experience to judge that during recce.
After watching all nice videos posted here, I have noticed something different this year.
Too many OFFs after back side of the car touching the snowbank, bouncing from it, and then front end dive.
Was that because of the hard snowbanks, or it's something else?
Hi, I am back from extremely difficult marathon. Due to some recent painkillers treatment (after taking out wisdom tooth) I had no power, but luckily I had a lot of will that helped me to complete in 5h and 19 min :-) And I can see that it has been very, very interesting end of rally!Quote:
Originally Posted by jparker
The first I will give you a short answer.
It was classical overdriving + relatively soft snow. Temperature was close to zero and that made snow soft and sucked cars in when they were overdriving. Why so much overdrive? Due to little + degrees, the top layer of ice was softer and spikes of the first cars broke that ice and for the following cars the road was covered by slush-broken ice particles that made it difficult for the spikes to reach to the solid ice and get traction. Now you can imagine that uder you tyre, there is loose ice particles and under the loose particles there is more solid ice.. that is very slippery and that makes cars slide wide.
Ogier was very lucky to loose such a little time, but the luck is always on the winners side;-)
Mikkelsen was also very lucky to have so many professional spectators around his off-road scene. They saved podium for him.
Latvala, Meeke and Ostberg were extremely dissapointing. They ruined my pickems.. totally :-P
Ford boys did maximum that was possible from their starting position and with their cars. Nearly perfect rally from them apart from slight mistake by Elfin.
I have nothing against Ogier but this moaning being first on the road is a bit too much. It was very clear advantage on the first passes for him and little disadvantage on the second passes. Can someone tell him to find a new topic to speak at the end of stage? maybe about the spectators on the stage or nice scenery or about his wife... :-P
And finally. Meeke is a good driver but I think that he needs some treatment by psyhologist. He has had bigger or smaller crashes during last four rallies (Spain, off road and double puncture, GB - off road and punctures, Monte - off road, Sweden - off road and many mistakes). He needs to calm down.
Pickems are processed now. Have a look in the dedicated thread. Nobody predicted Ogier, Neuvile as top 2!
Colins Crest @ColinsCrest_
The top 10 results of the Colins Crest Award 2015!Speed facts from @OfficialWRC . Can't wait until next year!
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Prokop had a €2000 penalty for having too short wheelbase. I didn't know that setup has such a big influence on wheelbase and make it illegal.
http://www.rallysweden.com/wp-conten...sion-No-10.pdf
First time I see that as well !Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
Too short wheelbase is no advantage. It might be a result of some suspension playing or it can theoretically happen if the car was quite heavily crashed before and repaired not 100%.
They were measuring wheelbase also on ERC event in Liepaja. I was surprised they were doing it also during regrouping where nobody from the crew were at the car... But in final, I know that car of Kristof Klausz (Renault Clio R3) was also not in conformity and they gave them time penalty (I think 60 seconds).
One curiosity when You mention Clio... I'm not sure about R3 but S1600 for sure had different wheelbase left and right. It's due to the rear axle design where torsion bars of left and right rear wheels are placed alongside. It's the same with Mégane. I guess it applies to Clio R3 too.
The disadvantage you mention on the second pass was not only for Ogier but also for the other drivers close to him ,so no real disadvantage,right?this slush of ice particles after the first passes still stays on the road?i suppose not ,and if my suggestion is right then the car back on the list have advantage?true or false???Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
mm??does this quirk make more difficult to find the optimim set up?during right and left corners the driver feel exactly the same??Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Actually on the 2nd pass he sweeps the snow thrown from historic cars and makes the road for the drivers behind him. His times were really bad on 2nd pass if I remember right. Also on 2nd day first on the road was disadvantage, so he had something to moan about.Quote:
Originally Posted by nafpaktos
It was not really an advantage on the first pass due to the lack of trajectory and brake-points markers...Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117751
Please someone help this guy, he has a very big ego problem.
It seems Loeb was better than him even from a style point of view.
This is very major advantage on such conditions. You can choose ideal line for yourself. A bit similar situation was today at Estonian winter rally. Before the rally I was not sure about it but I realized it very soon by looking from onboards etc. It is disadvantage when you are gentelman driver and you have no idea what is ideal line. Ogier just need a lot of recognition, that is his personality problem, there is nothing to do about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruesluporp
Always the same crap against Ogier!Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford