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NOT is having most of you guys where he wants you to be. Upset and angry and using all energy answering his comments. So pls calm down everyone. I dont mind NOT even if I banned him for a while many yrs ago.
And listen up all people. I almost met the guy in Loutraki in 2012. But only almost. Missed him by about five minutes at servicepark. Met several other nice greeks. Right Dimviii and "Asotrias".
Now let´s talk about Toyota folks.
IT WAS YOU ALL ALONG ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
BUT... BUT.... i trusted you... i considered you my imaginary friend.... how could you ????
http://i.imgur.com/OmuL3MS.gif
What do you guys know about regulations regarding the rear wing?
The Gazoo one is looking huge!
I didn't know you could do that... done, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
No no no, my bad english. Only on my own messages. Ignore list. My fault. Sorry, sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
off topic
aaaahhh... life is worth living once more then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
What the hell is going on here? LOL :D
But anyway.. Please, keep going...
http://i.imgur.com/DKJhx9l.gif?noredirect
Lot of drama around Toyota come back, what did You thought;) Somehow we can swallow the Germans in the face of VW, but Japanese again, oh no, this is too much.....Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
http://s5.postimg.org/3kb2742x1/image.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by AL14
It seems it was an entertaining afternoon…
Seriously: the most important thing on Makinen’s Yaris tests is that he managed to make a technical structure from almost nothing and sort out a new car only 8 months after Toyoda green light.
Toyota Gazoo is now almost at the same schedule as Citroen on the ’17 car development, ahead of Hyundai and MSport. They’ve enough time to get it competitive for ’17 MC Rally and choose a strong drivers line up.
As any other real rally fan, I’m delighted to see Toyota getting to WRC’s frontline once more. Best luck to them.
Toyota were testing with #2 car in Clermont-Ferrand area (France) this hole week.
No clue abot the driver(s), because Juho, Mikko and Tommi were all in Finland.
(#1 car was same time tested in Finland)
#2 car is traveling to Spain now...
Its no doubt it going to be an interesting silly season before '17, lots of drivers ready to change teams, more cars availible and hopefully some New talents get the change to break in!
Silly seasons are always interesting... Mostly speculation, granted, but still.
It always takes me a month or two before I become adjusted to who is in what team as well. Next year is going to be hell hahahaha
This one looks quite silly already, how it could be worse?
I think it was quite a surprise to quite a few people (me included) that all the VW drivers had contracts beyond this year. I thought that basically every top driver apart from Mikkelsen would need to sign a new deal ahead of '17. But that was not the case. So I guess in that sense it could have been more silly - plus Meeke and Paddon signed early.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
I guess I'm not surprised if they did it in the meantime. Ogier is not surprise the least, Latvala I guess won't go from VW if he himself doesn't want to, obviously he doesn't and why should he? Bad first few races of the year, but is it much different from any previous one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
It is way too early to judge Toyota. Look back into history and see where Toyota started their first rally team. They sought the services of a Scandinavian guy to get things started and worked with Ove Andersson for many years, including after they bought out his successful operation. Then look at how Japanese companies operate and maybe you can recognise the start of something big. Irrespective of the views of some of the cynics Toyota will not allow this to fail. Allow three years for success. Everything that hyundai and vw have achieved Toyota will achieve. Great to see another giant in the WRC
Application of 1980s tactics for success in 2016.... what can possibly go wrong eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by bowler
I doubt Toyota will be concerned by your opinion NOT. They will care about things that matter
Jez, that was close. Fortune was on your side that day..... : )Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
I have (in the past) and will continue to side with NOT in this one. In my mind, building a car is not what is being debated. That's been done and that isn't the hard part, the AP4 cars being built in NZ illustrate that modifying a body shell, adapting it to use motorsport parts, adding and engine and gearbox and building suspension can be done by a lot of competent motorsport orientated car builders.
Where I think this program just doesn't feel right is the Tommi "knows best" approach. Seeing him test drive the car didn't make me think, here is a guy who trusts his team to do the right thing and is positioning it with a well thought out business plan and strategy, it made me think "he still wants to be a driver in the WRC". I just don't get the sense that there is a complete strategy in place for this. I've said it before, the WRC isn't just about building a car, its the support functions and the entire team that will make it successful - still don't get the sense that that is in place.
Is there any information out there on the team itself?
And please guys, NOT is NOT. Don't troll him, no point it just makes the thread a more unpleasant one.
However I do think Tommi has good help from Toyota in the way how business plan and strategies should be handled. And being WRC driver again isn´t for sure Tommies aim. What on earth make you think that? Just because he´s testing his little baby?
Regarding NOT I agree. This forum wouldn´t be what it is without the greek/english "labrat". ;)
Grundo, the issue here is that we don't know, and that we have opinions based on what is reported by people who may or may not know, and people who can look at a non comparative video and determine that something may or may not work. Whatever the short term success or not of this team, long term Toyota will not allow it to fail. We don't know what is in place, but some of us understand how the Japanese do business. This project is supported by Toyoda himself. It will not be allowed to fail. It may come out the end looking different, but they will be on them podium in 2018, if not before, and on the centre of the podium in 2019, if not before.
I am reserved because I simply don't know what's going on inside the project but I'm taking a wait and see approach. Regarding Tommi you can also see his actions as being close and involved with the team at every level, which is not necesarily bad. Also I'm not sure if it's a case of Tommi knows best, he has hired quite a few other test drivers and I'm not cynical enough to think he is just using Toyota money to give his friends some fun in the forest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grundo Farb
I'm doing a project with the Japanese at the moment so I do know about them. I agree, they won't WANT to let it fail but Tommi and his set-up may not last the distance, one thing about the Japanese is they are ruthless when it comes to results.Quote:
Originally Posted by bowler
Not sure if anyone follows yachting but the Tommi set-up reminds me of Team New Zealand under Grant Dalton. Grant won the Volvo round the world race, then headed up the Americas cup syndicate. He was great at getting sponsors and big names on board but couldn't resist being on the boat, being a grinder, calling some of the tactics etc... They lost in the final, arguably because of it. Just seems to feel similar.
And Rallyper, yes I do think that because he is testing "his" little baby.
Tommi is one of, if not the, best test driver(s) in WRC history. He has a very clear vision of how a WRC car should perform, some of it is very easily visible in the videos and pictures that have surfaced so far.
I think it would be a great mistake if he didnt take on an active roll on the testing and developing of the car.
I see it the other way around, when things start moving in 2017, with all the rallies and logistics etc, they Toyota Gazoo will have a "problem" in that Tommi cant be as active as he is now.
It doesn't sound too much coherent. Doesn'it?Quote:
Originally Posted by bowler
found a pic of them testing in spain
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CimIj6tWsAIN7TR.jpg
find a video too mate.
no problem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3YUhUApXv4
another one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBoPmzID_WQ
who is driving?
Tommi
Ah yes, now saw him at the end of 1st video. Quite angry sound of the Yaris, I like it.
Wow that noise is unique, reminds me of some group 4/early group B stuff. Not quite sure what other than the exhaust note of a 6R4, but obviously mated the engine note of a four-cylinder motor.
Definitely liking the sound!
That car on the video sounds really weird. I can't help myself but it doesn't sound right.
The Force Awakens...
http://www.tommimakinen.net/tmr-tilat2010f.jpg
was talk from the rallies committee of wrc cars not having to run catalyst in 2017 will make it sound a little louderQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
or traction control but that would be illegal