2016 BRC (British Rally Championship)

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Originally Posted by Franky

Oh the self-proclaimed God has been banned for some time, but it was a bit too quiet then.

But all the all the name calling and other stuff aside, he is on the right track. Bogey times are no good for a championship that is aiming to resurect itself as a top level national championship. And as it is a first tier national championship, then why on earth aren't the events run as 'international'?

The "no money" argument can be used only as a short term excuse.

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If Bogey times were able to exist for years with out issue then they aren't the problem, the Czech approach as explained by Mirek also will have issues if organisers mess up their speed calculations. A mistake was made, its highly unlikely to happen again, move on folks.

The biggest issue I see on this thread and many more is the mods on this place seem totally disinterested in actually doing anything to allow fair, reasonable and respectful discussion to happen. NOT seems to be able to insult at will, yet when others rise to his bait they've to apologise! Has he got compromising pictures of you all or something? The 'autism insult on this thread IMO is way to far, but its your show, run it how you will...

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Originally Posted by Mintexmemory

I shall be considering a post of Rally forums standards of behaviour.

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I thought the "name calling and inherent use of a disability as a term of denigration stops here" post was scary enough to work. In fact I could almost hear my mum saying it, which really reinforced it :D

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Originally Posted by Nornbugger

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If Bogey times were able to exist for years with out issue then they aren't the problem, the Czech approach as explained by Mirek also will have issues if organisers mess up their speed calculations. A mistake was made, its highly unlikely to happen again, move on folks.

The biggest issue I see on this thread and many more is the mods on this place seem totally disinterested in actually doing anything to allow fair, reasonable and respectful discussion to happen. NOT seems to be able to insult at will, yet when others rise to his bait they've to apologise! Has he got compromising pictures of you all or something? The 'autism insult on this thread IMO is way to far, but its your show, run it how you will...

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I NEVER insulted anyone in here in the 14 I participate... NEVER... lying is bad for 5 years olds.... let alone 60.

People just got offended because somehow they consider the Bogey time a good call, and their incompetence at arguing properly escalated this into a social justice warrior gathering... go figure.

If you have any family members that are autistic or you are suffering from it yourself then accept my apologies i did not intend to insult the condition...

Its like calling someone stupid, retard, idiot.

People aren't offended because they like bogey times, they're offended because you keep being offensive in the language you use.

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Originally Posted by MrJan

People aren't offended because they like bogey times, they're offended because you keep being offensive in the language you use.

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well, i have to use a word to describe the farce the bogey times are, and another one to describe the people who had the idea....

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Originally Posted by Mintexmemory

Thanks for the apology - I understand how provocative some people can be so was trying to calm the situation while I consider the next move.
I am not a self appointed arbiter of what forum behaviour should be, only a Mod because that was the necessary level of permission in order to run the Pickem. However I am mindful of Mark's request that we keep it clean as it's a family forum. I also have an autistic relative so found it hard to maintain a level of detached judgement.
Recently we've had sexism, xenophobia and homophobia in other threads so while I am on holiday at the Spanish GP I shall be considering a post of Rally forums standards of behaviour.

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I envy your ability to retain that level of detachment in this situation, clearly I was not able to hold back and said exactly what I thought.

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Originally Posted by Nornbugger

NOT seems to be able to insult at will, yet when others rise to his bait they've to apologise!

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No one asked me to apologise, I just decided to do so.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

I NEVER insulted anyone in here in the 14 I participate... NEVER... lying is bad for 5 years olds.... let alone 60.

People just got offended because somehow they consider the Bogey time a good call, and their incompetence at arguing properly escalated this into a social justice warrior gathering... go figure.

If you have any family members that are autistic or you are suffering from it yourself then accept my apologies i did not intend to insult the condition...

Its like calling someone stupid, retard, idiot.

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You are incapable of constructing a proper argument. Using a serious mental condition in the way you did IS insulting. To refer to something as 'autistic' and to 'not intend to insult the condition' displays an incredible level of stupidity. The rest of us come here to discuss MOTORSPORT but you seem determined to do otherwise.

I apologise again to everyone else for lowering myself to NOT's level but ignoring him and trying to stay on topic just was not acceptable any more in my opinion. Hopefully my use of an obscene word and the off-topic fuss caused on this thread will open some of the moderators' eyes to NOT's continued disgraceful conduct.

A further apology for yet still going off topic.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

well, i have to use a word to describe the farce the bogey times are, and another one to describe the people who had the idea....

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There you go - farcical - You had the answer in your vocab all along.
As for the people who had the idea - brokers not rally organisers. Unfortunately we are in the grip of over-reaction by the FC and insurers to the Jim Clark deaths. Could be that we are watching the end of stage rallying as we know it in the UK.

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Originally Posted by MrJan

I thought the "name calling and inherent use of a disability as a term of denigration stops here" post was scary enough to work. In fact I could almost hear my mum saying it, which really reinforced it :D

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Ha Ha - ask Ally C and Ian R what I'm really like - father of 3 yes, adult sometimes, inveterate rule breaker -often!!

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

RSAC Scottish Rally ‏@ScottishRally
Hi Guys, just wanted to let you know that we are taking the issue of bogey times seriously and are taking steps to manage this.
Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally
Great to see that the organisers of the Scottish will give us a proper rally. No place in rallying for bogey times.

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Seeing BRC principals and organizers working to fix bogie times it’s a clear sign that they’re totally aware of how damaging this can be for the series. Solutions will come out, for sure.

Forest fees raise is another messy issue, but from outside it looks more a political matter than anything else. The Welsh government supports the sport (notably the WRC event), so it’s a total nonsense allow their natural resources body to raise fees in a disproportional way. This week MM’s has a clear view on this: http://digital.motorsportmonday.com/...0-e4f28a3681bb

Hopefully this mess will be quickly set, allowing MSA to continue their fine work, remaking BRC as a top national and international motorsport series. Best luck to them!

The argument of NRW is that the raise isn't disproportionate, it's just to allow them to cover costs...of course there's no telling if have included various other items of standard maintenance in the build up of those 'costs' to get them covered by rallying. That's certainly the kind of practice which I'd condemn completely...but it definitely happens.