Wasn't Bertelli a half decent driver (or somewhat competitive gentleman driver) in WRC2 like 10 years ago?
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Wasn't Bertelli a half decent driver (or somewhat competitive gentleman driver) in WRC2 like 10 years ago?
The level of WRC2 was something else back then. But Bertelli is one of the fastest of the gentleman drivers, while Serderidis is the slowest.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
Serderis is too old to push limits he can get heart attack :DQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Msport have to look at themselves as to why Bertelli has gone elsewhere.
As others have said, I don't begrudge Bertelli or other gentlemen drivers at all. They've earned their money in life or have rich families, so spend it how you want. And I'd rent a yaris over a puma, even if cost a little bit more.
However I do agree they shouldn't be running ahead of the top WRC2 drivers or "stealing* their potential TV airtime. Surely something the FIA/organisers can look at.....
What r u guys saying? That having Privateers entering Rally1 is "bad"??? Jesus christ...
No, slow, bad drivers isbad, not fast, good drivers...Quote:
Originally Posted by fiscorpun
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yes thats what we are saying... because there are standards in this world... unless you are a drooling autist that belongs in a cage and enjoys seeing a rally1 car going at road speed just because its a rally1 car....Quote:
Originally Posted by fiscorpun
Just a thought - what if there was a FiA rule that every gent-driver going for R1 ride need to finance and enter at least 1 WRC 2 or WRC 3 driver for as many rallies. Lets call it as a luxury tax for allowing driving among the elite athlets in World Championship? I think in the endurance racing we often can see gent-drivers teaming up with pro-drivers - one gets fun, others - the seat time.
Fking hell. Just be happy that somebody is actually renting and bringing more of these cars around and also there are rumours that Serderidis will give his car to a youngster for some events later on.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndersX
https://i.postimg.cc/3xcqDzx1/IMG-20230129-074752.jpg
Still early but could be very difficult rally.
.......STANDARDS....Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
Maybe WRC needs a new fan base, not new manufacturers.....
That's for Tuesday 7th Feb? Seems weird to me, other forecasts aren't showing that kind of tempsQuote:
Originally Posted by Tauri_J
https://www.foreca.fi/Sweden/Umea/15vrk
https://www.foreca.fi/Sweden/Vannas/15vrk (<-- closer to forest stages)
https://www.yr.no/nb/v%C3%A6rvarsel/...mmun/Ume%C3%A5
https://www.yr.no/nb/v%C3%A6rvarsel/...C3%A4nn%C3%A4s
https://www.accuweather.com/sv/se/um...5816?year=2023
https://www.accuweather.com/sv/se/v%...0783?year=2023
To me it looks like a good alternation of plus degrees and freezing to get a good ice base.
I can't agree with the language NOT is using but I agree with his point. I don't see anything positive in someone cruising like Serderidis. It doesn't look good for spectators and it doesn't create competition. Even if Bertelli and Serderidis drove the same rally, they couldn't compete with each other because they in different leagues, but still Bertelli couldn't compete with Greensmith, for instance. For me it doesn't bring anything positive apart from financial boost to the teams. But let's agree to have different opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by fiscorpun
As for Serderidis giving the car to Munster, I think that's a mistake as well, too early for him. But hopefully it doesn't create dents on Munster's career.
Yeah 7th. Last week was warm around Umea with tenperatures up to +5 so stages should have a pretty good ice base already.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
We need to start a new thread called smth like "Gentlemen drivers in Rally1?" instead of discussing it in this Rally Sweden thread.
Someone? Moderator?
https://youtu.be/0uDkh70LqdA
Video version of the route preview
Some here seem to be focusing on the wrong aspect with this issue. Gentlemen drivers should be further down the start list. It should be based on prior results/speed as gentlemen drivers can have very different pace. So in a way it is related to specific rallies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Alright then...Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
Ah... I understand you point, but Fourmaux finished (overall) behind two WRC2 cars last year but I honestly rather have had that Rally1 car on the grid than not. Dont you?Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
And If we really think about it, more than half of the Rally1 drivers cant get close to the top Rally1 drivers anyway so why bother at all? Lets just have a 5 Rally1 cars championship! haha THE SAME DRIVERS have been the "TOP3 to TOP5" overall for basically 7 years already. Seb, Neuville, Ott... Kalle...
You really can’t tell the difference between Fourmaux and Serderidis?Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
Last year nine drivers stood on the podium and in addition Greensmith and Solberg had 4th places.
Seven years ago Kalle hadn't even started a WRC event. The top drivers included names like Meeke, Latvala and Mikkelsen who are not driving anymore. Evans and Tänak hadn't yet won a rally.
But it's true that it's difficult to break through to the top level, we've seen many come and try and fail.
But this has nothing to do with gentleman drivers.
Oh, of course I can, mate. I was just pointing out that it shouldnt matter if the privateers are not up there with the top rally1 drivers, because no one actually can. Seb-Ott-Neuville have been the overall top3 in the last 7 years, with Kalle and Elfyn appearing in the mix in the last 2 years, making it the current "top5" drivers, right?). Serderidis got a P6 or P7 in Kenya somehow and that was awesome, in a way. Its cool because he (and Bertelli) were always around. Loubet also struggled A LOT the other years with Hyundai but its now in a better position, even never showing "much" too, at first.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I hope these appearences make the privateer interest grow in the long run. We cannot have WRC becoming a F1 thing were NO ONE CAN RACE HERE. I dont think Rally should have this mentality. Its just my opinions of course, but I think NOT exagerated in his opinion haha
There's no spectator stage maps online like before right? Unless I'm blind.
So you only look at results. Fourmaux cannot finish in top 5 in the overall standings = he is as good as a gentleman driver?Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
Serderidis was seventh in Safari, but behind Breen and Neuville who used Super rally. Maybe that's the one event in the season where you can get to points by just driving slowly through, and there won't be a big field of WRC2 competitors getting ahead of you.
It's not drivers' problem, that WRC can't put them a bit further back on starting list..
+ don't moan that cameras are sooo expensive and WRC+ doesn't buy more of them.
We have only SEVEN rally1 full
season drivers this season and some people go peanut butter nuts about 1 gent driver per rally..
That's actually an interesting number...Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
2022: 7
2021: 5
2020: 7
2019: 7
2018: 7
2017: 5
2016: 8
2015: 7
2014: 8
2009: 8
2004: 7
1999: 6
1995: 6
Before that we didn't have "full" seasons for anyone, everyone did partial programs. But the point is that 7 is actually a good number of full time drivers (although it could still get smaller during the season), especially for just three teams. Partial drivers have been a thing always. Also, from 1997 to 2016 a team could only enter two drivers.
It may be my bad english, but no. In the end All Im saying is that I agree that its weird to think that some of u fellas here dont think having privateers in Rally1 is a good thing no matter where they finish the race. Then I just mentioned that the same 3 guys are getting the top3 positions for almost 7 years now and no one seems to care so why one would bother with a privateer finishing behind wrc2 cars?... This is the second time u say that im saying "Fourmaux is bad as Serderidis" and I dont know why u r doing this. I literally NEVER SAID that. But hey... this is the internet, after all. People cannot just chat about stuff from their favorite niche for a while. Everything flows into these weird argumentations where ones simply transform the whole conversation into these passive agressive ego sh1t for no reason at all. Its not the first time... Think im too old for this pointless sh1t.. honestly. Dont bother answering, dude. Im out haha ByeQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
You keep talking about Fourmaux as someone who finishes behind WRC2 cars when he actually doesn't do that in the stage times, he just had a bad season with many crashes. He is someone who could win a rally one day. Bertelli and Serderidis will never do that, and they don't even aim at doing that. There's a clear difference. It also looks different to a spectator.Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
I don't mean to be offensive, but I have a strong opinion about this. Don't ragequit, just state your opinion and we can agree to disagree :)
Agree, my fellow south american. Racing foruns are becoming really annoying overall. Tho we continue using it because Theres no other place to discuss racing without looking like total creeps... Which we all are, actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
facts :) small correction: between 2001-2003 teams would nominate 3 drivers as now.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Literally everyone here wants more proper rally1 cars competing, I think there may be a language barrier where you are misunderstanding the intent. What some people are saying and I agree is we don't want to see Rally1 "tourists" driving slowly on the live feed instead of high quality competitors in WRC2. You keep saying privateers but Loubet when he was in Hyundai 2C and Serderidis are not the same kind of drivers, they are simply not in the same category.Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
Wow how much I have learned about this years rally Sweden here
FFS, how you guys manage to turn every topic into off topic this season?
seems like Bertelli driving with ,,old'' car..
https://www.upload.ee/image/14883952..._Instagram.jpg
He will not feel the difference! ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
Oh boy, can't wait when the rally starts and every second post here will be about how slow Bertelli is...
Good way to get rid of the old parts, they will end up in Swedish snowbanks anyway ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
Jokes aside, any locals on the forum? How is the snow situation?
Yes, I live in the area.. The conditions is good. The snow depth has been up to one meter :) In the beginning of last week we had quite a bit of +degrees which made the snow to sag down a little and go from powder to more compact. But it made only good for the ice layer on the road. The snowbanks are now quite hard so I think the bumpers and fenders will have a tough life on the rally :laugh: On the bigger roads with much traffic and frequently snow plowing there should be perfect conditions with a proper layer of ice. On the smaller roads only plowed and opened for the rally, I think we can expect some gravel coming through. I was at a small local rally nearby Umeå last weekend and the conditons were really nice. I havent done any specator recce yet though but there is no need to worry about the conditions. It will be a proper winter rally for sure. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
its a dead sport... what did you expect to learn about the swedish rally ? we have a championship of 2.5 manufacturers, 1.5 of which are garbage... and 2.5 good drivers...Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
things go off topic because the main topic is dead.
And yet here you are spending your time commenting on it...Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
If anyone has the specator maps I'm interested, especially the new stages.
Forgot to order before it was too late.
Could anybody tell me which team is renting Solowow's car for sweden?