Yes but you have to know that "ini" sounds as a diminutive in italian, literally translated it would be "little storms" or "little tempests" :)Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
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Yes but you have to know that "ini" sounds as a diminutive in italian, literally translated it would be "little storms" or "little tempests" :)Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
For me it's the same too.i mentioned these two french drivers cause NOT praises the french rally system and the drivers come out from it,what i want to say is that there is no faultless system and always drivers from every country will take chances they dont deserve and not only from finland.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
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Originally Posted by AL14
I know*...but still better a "little Tempest" than say " Big Fogg" .
(one of the things I always find annoying is how we don't have easy "diminutive" endings or we don't commonly use them so much in English... in Spanish and some degree in French its not just or not always "little' but also affectionate. So nice to have a clear marker for when others feel closer, like when people would say "Hey Johhny, let's get a beer" in France I knew we were that little bit closer, like tu and vous or Spanish tu and usted ---and that made me think--WTF is the formal 'you" in Italian?)
*First Language as a wee babe was Spanish, second was English, 3rd was Swedish at 17, then came French in mid-20s to late 20s...now when I'm old i have little girls 9 and 7 and they first speak Chinese here, then English and now both chose to take bi-lingual English and Spanish language in school...and I had to tell them I can only help so much because the Spanish is pushed so far back..I do show them very often just how close the words and sentances are between Spanish, French and Italian and to make the real crazy I show them Catalan, too. We all love language here.)
Maurin has nothing to see with the french system. He grows by his own way, bringing money, driving powerfull cars without being able of it ... then he understood, take lesson with Bernardi and improve a lot until now to be a good gentleman driver. But he never took part to some cups.Quote:
Originally Posted by nafpaktos
Yacco has nothing to see with his family. It's and old french sponsor. They supported Vigion, when he lost his driving license. They needed someone to be in, and took Maurin. I still don't exactly now why ... I can suppose it's some kind of business agreement, or Maurin had money so it costs less to run the car and the team. But since the end of 2009, they are partner.
I never praised the french system or the FFSA... in general i avoid praising people, teams, cars... the over glorification of things is something i despise. I only give respect when its due and for the right reasons, not because someone is from the same country as i am, not because i own a car from a manufacturer in the WRC and not because i met a driver once and he gave me his autograph and was nice to me...Quote:
Originally Posted by nafpaktos
I am just being honest and i speak the truth, i understand that most people cannot stand so much negativity because they already have enough during their sad days in this world and they probably come in here to cheer up and i spoil the fun... but i prefer to be honest, at least in that way you know what you are dealing with.
and the truth on this matter is that all these years the series were under the control of the managers that fed useless doggies to the WRC... i mean you have to be semi retarded to expect the best drivers to come from a country that has no idea what tarmac rallying is... but the managers paid the teams through sponsors and the teams were happy.... then the best driver in the history of motorsport came and teams realised that there is another way of doing things... and they followed that and we got Ogier now... think about it... Latvala through his managers and connections is in the sport for 10 years almost and Ogier comes again out of nowhere and ridicules him like a kid... if you cannot see somethign REALLY wrong with that picture you are just a star trek person... which is not necessarily a bad thing...maybe.
NOT - you are unfortenately not honest in your analysis. It´s easy to see, not only in your latest quote.
Improved post, NOT, though you're still dwelling in the past. Of course managers (or one manager) have shaped the history of rallying in helping Finnish drivers to get good seats in teams, but you give awful lot of credit to that one if we are otherwise a nation that only a retard would think produce decent rally drivers. You made that judgement by looking at a map?
I was trying to shape a picture of current young drivers who try
make their way through to at least some level, on their own, on their own work, on their risk. Some of these drivers gets picked up by a contact that help them out, but they've made that contact on their success. These young talents with similar actions live in every nation that have any sort of rallying going on.
I'll end here.
Probably there aren't borders anymore here in Europe, the new approach, for a young talented guy you have to move out of your home country and gain as much experience and attention as possible. In this stage you probably need a sponsor but management is not major factor.
It's very funny but why are the Estonians so quiet on this topic? Next to France the best rally talents producing country is without a doubt Estonia, they are everywhere in ERC as well as WRC. I would like to know what happens over there.
So before Loeb all rally was a (finnish) lie?
In short, those who've found money are doing ERC and WRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ounin
Those who aren't fortunate enough are doing mostly Estonian championship on a tight budget. Regarding the next generation of young guns there are a few. And as I mentioned in reply to Per some pages ago the youngest gun is still a 15 year old, who's driving this season a Peugeot 208 R2. At Sarma Rally he was 2nd among 2WD.
Hopefully some other Estonian can give a more detailed assessment of the Estonian rally scene.
In Autohebdo, Vasselon confirms there will be a second young driver in their test team, but he can't say who for the moment, as the contract is still in negotiation.
Autohebdo thinks it will be Suninen.
young irish lads such as keith Cronin ,ali fisher ,rob duggan ,Daniel McKenna ,dean raferty and many more are names to watch out for in international rallying if they can get a budget,,lots of very good drivers here in the Ireland north and south
About Estonians, as Franky mentioned, young Estonian Karl Martin Volver is really really talented guy out here. He's only 15 years old but doing big things already. In ERC Liepaja he had respectively 4&5th overall time in some stages. So, if he gets noticed by right guys, he should be Märtin type of driver :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ounin
with what car?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabriel Tamm
With Peugeot 208 R2 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
I guess all the talk above has taking in mind that Emil Bergkvist not anymore is talented. He has proved himself as established coming WRC driver, ehh?
So which stages would that be? Could not see his name anywhere top 8?? Or you mean overall in ERC3?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabriel Tamm
http://www.ewrc-results.com/results....pāja-2015Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
http://www.ewrc-results.com/results....pāja-2015
http://www.ewrc-results.com/results....pāja-2015
very impressive for his age.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Maybe I missunderstood which rally or something, but not on this I reccon...
http://www.fiaerc.com/events/live/id/28
I think you are both talking about Rally Liepaja. But Rallyper means the ERC round held last week and EstWRC means probably Latvian championship round only. The Latvian championship was most probably held 1 or 2 hours after the ERC round?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Jarek Z, you're correct.
So conditions can´t really be compared I would presume.
That boy is 15y old, can not drive ERC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
I have to agree , but the reason why we have 'two frogs' dominating the sport is real competition in France .I was at the Rallye Du Var in 2012 i couldn't get over the amount of 'one make series' going on .Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
You had an R1 Class - The Renault Twingo Cup , ninteen entries - and one Ford Fiesta
The R2 Class :Renault Twingo R2 Cup , ten entries - and four other entries in different makes
The R3 class : thirty seven entries in total !
Peugeot 207 RC R3T cup :twelve cars
Citroën DS3 R3T cup : twelve cars
Renault Clio R3 Cup : seven cars
other makes : six cars
There are other cups going on on other French events in R1 and R2 classes etc , and why is this ? because France has three Car manufacturers - Peugeot , Citroën, and Renault so they are all competing against each other so young drivers get a chance . You dont have this in any other country.
And N.O.T your correct in saying that Latvala is being 'shoved on to us' he has more rallying done and yet he still is not a great driver - he is in the best car but most of the time cant get it over the line . In Germany 2014 when he had the Rally in his hand he decided to making wine instead !
You said Oj ridicules him - correct - At the Monte a few weeks ago i was in Sospel at regroup before the last stage and Latvala asked Ogier what was his time in the last stage ? response was ' ten faster then you ' .... just to mess with his head .
Wilson and all these managers etc have alot to answer for - more interested in what a doggie as you call them will bring to the team in the form of money- no interest in bringing a talented driver to the team .
who is Oj ?
Ogier .....thought you would have snapped on to that :-)
Not a great driver? Second last year in WDC? Should WRC only have one driver or only French drivers? That would suit you, wouldn´t it?Quote:
Originally Posted by irish_tiger
Irish Tiger has a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
It's hard not to agree that Lavala has not made the most of his opportunities and experience. And he doesn't half moan alot about not having the feeling, rhythm etc. He's quite capable of beating Ogier this weekend, but will he?
Not a great driver? I repeat. Well, he hasn´t made the first place. But still - not a great driver? The way people go in order to ashieve their goals vary. In his case he had better conditions than most others. Anything wrong with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by noel157
A great driver (or not) wasn't my point. Personally I do think he is a great(ish) driver and yes, different people do things differently to achieve their goals but after 144 WRC starts in 13 years, factory drives and plenty of budget he's taking his time to achieve his goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
As NOT said, Ogier popped up and pushed him to the sidelines. In my view he has either wasted the chances he has had, and currently has, or he is not the full package. Perhaps a Hirvonen like driver but slightly better.
Latvala is a faster driver (sometimes), but not a better driver than Hirvonen.
Hirvonen made the most of his opportunities and ability, and was closer to actually netting a WRC championship than Latvala ever has been. I can't see Latvala ever winning a championship, especially not on merit.
Judging Latvala only on Ogiers abilities and what he´d done? You should compare to more drivers to be serious. SO has done a faster travel up to top, for sure. But judging others compared to that isn´t fair.
Point taken. Poor comparison by me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doon
Great is an overused word. He is a very good driver, capable of great performances. However, as Noel has said, too many times we hear him complain about “no feeling, no rhythm, etc “
This year is his best chance for the Title – he has to take it.
I also think if he wasn't Finnish he'd have been dropped whilst at M-Sport.
Money brings you further then talent in motorsports these days!
depends how you define "further" though...Quote:
Originally Posted by AdvEvo
I don't think it's up to this topic naming older Finnish drivers who are driving WRC for many years or just quit. And the name Ogier pops up too many times. It's about young talents here and their abilities to enter into ERC or WRC. And being successful.
Motorsport is very expensive and unfair and always was and always will be. As wel as drivers who will be shoved on to us, no shocking news to me. Motorsport is a big industry and its existence is there only because of the many rich drivers entering and not a dozen talented ones. Put romantics aside to ovoid too much hypocrisy here.
I am more interested in the talents we see around us everywhere in the world and how they manage to progress, how difficult it is, rather than calling names of Finns who haven't fulfill big budget expectations.
It depends on what motorsport you take part in....Some still value talent over £$£$£$£$Quote:
Originally Posted by AdvEvo
If you aint got talent all the money in the world wouldn´t get you in a WRC-team and getting WDC silver medalist. Talent in combination with money gets you further for sure...