Nice reading, Tom.
And makes me feel I want to go there next time.
But what about Covid spreading after the rally? Anyone heard how it´s going in Croatia?
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Nice reading, Tom.
And makes me feel I want to go there next time.
But what about Covid spreading after the rally? Anyone heard how it´s going in Croatia?
No problems, even go down .......;)
https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/hr
I already answered in the post above yours. No problems at all, kudos to the organizers for letting people enjoy the rally. I hope that FIA will have that in mind when analyzing the event.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
There is very low risk outside on the fresh air. I haven't heard about a single confirmed case here in CZ where someone would get infected outside. Basically everyone gets infected indoors or in a car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Studies done in the UK stated that 1 in 1000 infections happens outdoors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
So, yeah. Most of the bullshit measures they have invented globally is nothing more than that, bullshit.
Yes, there's quite a low chance to get or spread the virus outdoors..
but cmon, LOL.. seeing all these hundreds of asses and cheeks together isn't ,,outside n' fresh air'' anymore..
Okay, rules are different everywhere in the world and hopefully there will be no big spread.. but seeing all these people together just seems so wrong at the moment (even thinking sensible and not being ,,overthinking flat-earther''..)
Well, for me it seems wrong to forbid people from moving around freely for more than a year (never happened in Croatia). There's no rise in cases in Croatia, people are happy, rally was excellent, win-win situation. Like, watching previous rallies with no people seemed right?Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
I'm sure we'll have the same situation in all rallies u til the end of the season. I hope that other organizers will follow Croatia's example.
too early to say it was safe. need at least 2 weeks to see the stats. hope for the best of course, but wait at least until this week end to say it is a model to export.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pršljen
I read somewhere that reason for current massive spreading in India was big religious event, some sort of traditional thing... some weeks ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
However I agree as hobby epidimolog, spreading outside must be quite minimal. Though in Sweden no spectators allowed on rallies... Ridicolous, but I believe also it´s activistrelated from authoritites...
nice triple incar
https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/stat...59912767975427
Well, it's two weeks now and the numbers are even lower. Can we now make a conclusion that people gathering didn't cause any COVID outbreak and that the decision to unofficially allow spectators was a good one by the organizers? I believe we can.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
a conclusion is impossible atm. you can claim what pleases you most. I'm happy everything is going well for now and hope this will happen in any other country in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pršljen
And what was your concluison a week ago? "Let's wait for a week to have a conclusion." And now suddenly it's not possible to make them.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
Great. Spectating the event hasn't caused any uprise in COVID spreading. Fact. ATM it's possible to organize a rally with spectators. Fact. Enough form and anyone who thinks with its own head.
ehm. A conclusion is something that ends something, so to say "let's wait" is the opposite of a conclusion...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pršljen
we ll have a conclusion when the pandemic ends. there's plenty of situations like this and plenty opposite. I.e, in India a big religious gathering had a really bad outcome. This applies everywhere? No either. Take one thing out of context is risky, and the context is a global pandemic. There are loads of factors that affect covid spread. Nothing can assure you that a thing that happened in Croatia or India would work the same in Sardinia or Estonia or Kenia or everywhere.
Again: I'm happy everything went well, I hope everything will go well in the other places. Still, I cant state this model will be generally good, so I ll not claim what I say as the truth.
Again: you can claim what pleases you most.
Well, I was talking only about spectators on Rally Croatia and its Covid consequences, lack of them, to be precise. That's a fact. And I see no reason why would other events be any different. Maybe they wily maybe they won't. But Croatia's example says it is possible to do it.
yes, in Croatia, within this particular context. not so sure as a general rule. other countries have different general rules and situations that can lead to different outcomes. again: something happening in Croatia does not automatically apply in other countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pršljen
To a certain point the virus is the same, though. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
https://youtu.be/UeR-PNi8seU was it circuit racing or rally in Croatia? :)
yes, so to this certain point, we should have the same spreading worldwide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
But no.
If you referring to India I would say no. Bcs some countries have had different strategies and rules. Also Sweden is good example.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
I´d say Croatia proved you can arrange rallies with spectators anywhere.
My biggest worry is that spectating was forbidden in Croatia and they didn´t respect it.
Rules are rules and those should be followed.
Locals didn´t have any respect towards WRC.
All other countries have played by rules.
No. TommekeB told us that organizer said he should only say he´ll have a pick-nick. So I guess all spectators was out on picknics...Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Here we go.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Which countries? In Turkey (no spectators) they needed to stop the stage for a while due to spectators in dangerous place. In Sardinia - no comment - less spectators than normally but still they were present and areas for them were prepared. In Monza you had fans on mountains stages. During Monte Carlo also but in very low numbers. In ERC non-spectators rally "were" Portugal and Islas Canarias. Do you want to see pictures from those rallies?Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
You don't have the data to come to that conclusion. The only way you could draw any conclusion about the safety of the rally in Croatia would be to have details of the Covid case numbers in the people who went to the rally before the event and following the event and to compare them statistically with what was happening in the general population over the same period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pršljen
You have no way of knowing whether case numbers are building in the rally spectators after the event but that their increase is being masked by a fall in caes in the general population.
More importlantly do YOU have a data to prove otherwise? Here we have people complaining that fans didn't respect rules and that should've wear masks etc. And in reality, we have a huge drop in cases in Croatia for the whole period afterwards, all three counties, where rally was held, included.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Boyd
You're asking for a analysis and I'm asking for a common sense. C'mon, can't you just admit that it'obviously possible to have a rally with spectators with no apparent Covid consequences...
This is a conversion you both have to do via private messages, WE DO NOT CARE.
And I do not care if you care or not. This is very important topic for current WRC and the future of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by bomber21
Rally happened, it was great, no problems occured, everyone is happy, let’s go on!
Do not overthink.
It's a bit like "I drove 1000 km without seat belts and nothing happened, no one needs seat belts anymore"
well... no! nobody can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pršljen
Can you state otherwise? No, you can't. And that's the point. Yes, rally happened, no, there wasn't any known Covid consequences. And yes, let's not allow spectators on Sardinia and Portugal, we need thorough analysis about is it safe or not. Let's bring epidemiologists and all experts to make some study about it. Without that, people don't have right to spectate a rally live.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
Well, it's not. Seatbelts are not rally fans who love the sport and who make the sport what it is. They are just piece of metal.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
My last bit in this strange - on forum with rallyfans - topic. Spectators are allowed to be on Portuguese stages. If we see similar pictures - crowds on relatively small area - it will be wrong because it's dangerous or it will be OK, because officially rally is held with spectators?
Big no, AnttiL.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
For me it´s OK, because spectating is allowed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom K
It was in Croatia too...Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
In contrary to Monte Carlo, Sardinia, Monza etc last year, the organization never published an article stating spectating was not allowed, they only asked to follow the rules implied by the government (which weren't followed on larger public areas as we've seen). Maps and updates in itinerary were still published for spectators. Stages were prepared with miles of tape, trash bags etc Police and marshals were guiding people to the stages... What happened in Croatia, with many thousands of spectators, was meant and planned to happen. It was not by accident.
er...that what is happing worldwide...I'm just saying what the epidemiologist and all experts say based on the study they did. I'm sorry if you are unaware of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pršljen
and no. this "can't u state otherwise" is totally silly, 'cause doesn't mean anything. just that we cannot state things. can u prove god exists? no. can u prove the opposite? no either. which is my point. a case doesn't prove enough. experts are still studying, but based on what they studied till now, they recommend staying shy on this matter.
hope this is clear enough, I won't come back on this point anymore.
The difference with Croatia was that they had everything planned for a rally with spectators until Monday of the rally week, when a new government limitation came in effect. After that they just announced they are not allowed to sell tickets, and that people must obey the government restrictions (no gatherings of more than 25 people). And privately they told people that they can not spectate the rally but have a picnic alongside the stages.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
AFAIK Portugal has had one of the strictest policies of all WRC events that spectators must be only on the designated spectator areas, usually packed, and not on freely chosen locations. It will be interesting to see how they will limit the people on the areas.
I think they try to handle the crowds with ticket prices, 390€ for a weekend pass: https://rally-pass.com/collections/passesQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL