[WRC] Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2019

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3rd June 2019, 07:48
AnttiL

Meeke retirement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BG5AgIgHC8
3rd June 2019, 08:09
wrc2017

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Originally Posted by AnttiL

Meeke retirement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BG5AgIgHC8

fuck that.... that was a nothing mistake
3rd June 2019, 08:36
EstWRC

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8HuZdXWwAARiF_.jpg
3rd June 2019, 08:45
EstWRC

very good vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=l8JnxO1PfVQ
3rd June 2019, 09:01
AnttiL

List of issues and incidents

Tänak: Brake issues, broken damper, one slide to the side of the road
Neuville: One stall of engine
Ogier: -
Suninen: Brake issues
Evans: Electrical fault - stopped in the stage
Latvala: Broken damper - rally 2
Sordo: Fuel pressure issue - stopped in the stage
Loeb: Fuel pressure issue - stopped in the stage, damaged suspension - retired
Greensmith: Engine issues, off road - rally2, broken suspension and crash - retired
Meeke: Intercom issues, handbrake issues, damper problems, spin, hit a stone - retired
Lappi: Puncture, rolled, damaged suspension - retired

In 2018 and 2017 it was as eventful. Maybe it's the combination of heat, roughness and speed of this event that makes it so difficult to get to the finish without issues?
3rd June 2019, 09:16
doubled1978

Didn’t Meeke also have Damper problems that were found out later? I think I read that somewhere...
3rd June 2019, 11:44
Fast Eddie WRC

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Originally Posted by mknight

And we are back in 2018.... Eddie saying how Ogier "had to" do what he did, cause he felt bad.....anyway that's not what we are talking about.

This year (2019) in Sweden Ogier did exactly the same thing as Hyundai did here.
He drove on purpose after Neuville/Loeb and before Lappi... to disadvantage Neuville/Loeb (less roadcleaning) and give advantage Lappi (more road cleaning). 100% exactly same situation.

I dont remember any big controversy in Sweden 2019. Ogier said he just wanted a better road position to use the remainder of the rally as a test for his new car.
3rd June 2019, 12:19
AnttiL

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

I dont remember any big controversy in Sweden 2019. Ogier said he just wanted a better road position to use the remainder of the rally as a test for his new car.

But the point is that Ogier invented this kind of tactics, which Hyundai now used to greater extent. He was able to help Lappi as well in getting second position.
3rd June 2019, 12:33
racerx1979

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Originally Posted by doubled1978

Didn’t Meeke also have Damper problems that were found out later? I think I read that somewhere...

And handbrake stopped working
3rd June 2019, 12:53
bluuford

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnttiL

List of issues and incidents

Tänak: Brake issues, broken damper, one slide to the side of the road
Neuville: One stall of engine
Ogier: -
Suninen: Brake issues
Evans: Electrical fault - stopped in the stage
Latvala: Broken damper - rally 2
Sordo: Fuel pressure issue - stopped in the stage
Loeb: Fuel pressure issue - stopped in the stage, damaged suspension - retired
Greensmith: Engine issues, off road - rally2, broken suspension and crash - retired
Meeke: Intercom issues, handbrake issues, damper problems, spin, hit a stone - retired
Lappi: Puncture, rolled, damaged suspension - retired

In 2018 and 2017 it was as eventful. Maybe it's the combination of heat, roughness and speed of this event that makes it so difficult to get to the finish without issues?

Neuville had broken radiator a the end of SS13. Sordo had puncture on SS5
SS 12 and 13 were real car destroyers, really big exposed bedrocks, concrete edges on line, metal settling wells (20-30 cm high in the ruts). If you look further back in the list, you can see many-many problems..
3rd June 2019, 13:04
denkimi

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnttiL

List of issues and incidents

Tänak: Brake issues, broken damper, one slide to the side of the road

Does anyone really believe that tanak had a broken damper?
When you take into account the time he lost with his off, he was just as fast as the previous passage compared to ogier and neuville. You don't do that with a broken damper.
Latvala had a real broken damper, tanak was playing games.
3rd June 2019, 13:19
steve.mandzij

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Originally Posted by denkimi

Does anyone really believe that tanak had a broken damper?
When you take into account the time he lost with his off, he was just as fast as the previous passage compared to ogier and neuville. You don't do that with a broken damper.
Latvala had a real broken damper, tanak was playing games.

...did you see the helicopter videos?
3rd June 2019, 13:19
AL14

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Originally Posted by denkimi

As far as i understand, they wanted sordo to pull over and start again right after neuville. So neuville wouldn't be in sordo's dust, but meeke would have had a little bit more dust.

They could easily solve that by always giving 3 or 4 minute gaps on rally's with a lot of dust.

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Originally Posted by Rally Power

Only saw the video and read the comments a few minutes ago but it seems it would give Thierry the 4m gap from the place where Sordo was stopped (the closest possible to the start). Btw, this tactic was used by Lancia in the 80's.

Thank you! Now it's clear to me too.
Well, we have no proof whether it's true or not.
If true it starts to be too much but Ogier is still the last person that should complain about it but we need to put a line to define what is a team strategy and what is against the sport principles.
If false or partially false then some people should think twice before spreading such accusations in public. They're not good for anyone.
3rd June 2019, 13:21
EstWRC

why the hell he should he lie about this? didnt you follow ALLLIVE? you could see the front right tyre wobblying like crazy.

and after he came to media zone, the mechanics right away went to check the car and one of them was shaking his head.
3rd June 2019, 13:42
doubled1978

Yes I think Tanak mentioned that he thought the damper had taken a big hit in the first stage in the loop, and it looks like it finally gave up around half way more or less through the third in the loop.
I don’t think it had much to do with his off, but you could see the last few Km’s it was totally gone.
He was a bit lucky with the off tho...easily could have got stuck or hit something solid.
3rd June 2019, 14:46
denkimi

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Originally Posted by EstWRC

why the hell he should he lie about this? didnt you follow ALLLIVE? you could see the front right tyre wobblying like crazy.

and after he came to media zone, the mechanics right away went to check the car and one of them was shaking his head.

No i don't have alllive.

Whatever it was, it hasn't slowed him down. Not even a little.
And i think everybody here has seen enough rally to know that a real broken damper does slow you down. Massively.

Why would they tell the truth? Mind games have always been a part of the show.
3rd June 2019, 15:15
pantealex

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnttiL

List of issues and incidents

Tänak: Brake issues, broken damper, one slide to the side of the road
Neuville: One stall of engine
Ogier: -
Suninen: Brake issues
Evans: Electrical fault - stopped in the stage
Latvala: Broken damper - rally 2
Sordo: Fuel pressure issue - stopped in the stage
Loeb: Fuel pressure issue - stopped in the stage, damaged suspension - retired
Greensmith: Engine issues, off road - rally2, broken suspension and crash - retired
Meeke: Intercom issues, handbrake issues, damper problems, spin, hit a stone - retired
Lappi: Puncture, rolled, damaged suspension - retired

For Latvala reason for Rally2 was broken suspension, damper took hit in jump but after that he hit a stone and broke suspension. That´s what TGR said afterwards.

Good that AnttiL noticed that Loeb eventually retired.
3rd June 2019, 15:19
Tarmop

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Originally Posted by denkimi

No i don't have alllive.

Whatever it was, it hasn't slowed him down. Not even a little.
And i think everybody here has seen enough rally to know that a real broken damper does slow you down. Massively.

Why would they tell the truth? Mind games have always been a part of the show.

Have you ever driven or atleast seen a car without a normally working damper?
3rd June 2019, 15:23
dimviii

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Originally Posted by AL14

Thank you! Now it's clear to me too.
Well, we have no proof whether it's true or not.
If true it starts to be too much but Ogier is still the last person that should complain about it but we need to put a line to define what is a team strategy and what is against the sport principles.
If false or partially false then some people should think twice before spreading such accusations in public. They're not good for anyone.

agree 100%
3rd June 2019, 15:50
EstWRC

Quote:

Originally Posted by denkimi

No i don't have alllive.

Whatever it was, it hasn't slowed him down. Not even a little.
And i think everybody here has seen enough rally to know that a real broken damper does slow you down. Massively.

Why would they tell the truth? Mind games have always been a part of the show.

unbelievable :rolleyes:
3rd June 2019, 15:54
Mirek

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Originally Posted by denkimi

No i don't have alllive.

Whatever it was, it hasn't slowed him down. Not even a little.
And i think everybody here has seen enough rally to know that a real broken damper does slow you down. Massively.

Why would they tell the truth? Mind games have always been a part of the show.

Sorry but you're ridiculing yourself. The damper problem was easily visible even for a blind man on the all live.
3rd June 2019, 15:57
dimviii

https://www.facebook.com/DoidosporRa...6266357496312/
3rd June 2019, 16:13
dimviii

Red Bull recap/highlights day 1

https://www.redbull.com/int-en/tv/vi...ights-portugal
day2
https://www.redbull.com/int-en/tv/vi...ights-portugal

day3
https://www.redbull.com/int-en/tv/vi...ights-portugal

and a nice photo with a proud dad

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8IL-K0WwAA5Kng.jpg
3rd June 2019, 17:28
Simmi

Had a great time in Portugal. Warm weather, warm welcome from the people there. Finally got to the iconic spots of Fafe. I have to say that stage is the biggest in the WRC. If anyone has been in there the night before they will know. I've not seen anything like it. Beyond that you just have to re-set your expectations as a spectator. It's barely worth the stress of trying to step outside spectator zones. Most of them are really good with views and atmosphere. Maybe another couple of showers and I'll be free of all the dust.

Some photos - including a few of the Greensmith crash - https://www.flickr.com/photos/949985...h/47994128366/

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...6c48c78b_c.jpg Untitled by Richard Simpson, on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...56106677_c.jpg Untitled by Richard Simpson, on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...0b25a142_c.jpg Untitled by Richard Simpson, on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...9c16e7c4_c.jpg Untitled by Richard Simpson, on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...100e9db9_c.jpg Untitled by Richard Simpson, on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...f1226a84_c.jpg Untitled by Richard Simpson, on Flickr
3rd June 2019, 17:31
Allez Andruet

Nice shots!
3rd June 2019, 18:20
dimviii

amazing video from Ziggysony
https://youtu.be/8RjL9RpU5tc
3rd June 2019, 18:21
deephouse

Ogier = baby...
3rd June 2019, 18:43
stefanvv

Quote:

Originally Posted by AL14

Thank you! Now it's clear to me too.
Well, we have no proof whether it's true or not.
If true it starts to be too much but Ogier is still the last person that should complain about it but we need to put a line to define what is a team strategy and what is against the sport principles.
If false or partially false then some people should think twice before spreading such accusations in public. They're not good for anyone.

:D, I'm so glad everything is fine then.
3rd June 2019, 18:47
krissucool

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Originally Posted by EstWRC

unbelievable :rolleyes:

You could literally see how bad it was on TV. Fucking retard...
3rd June 2019, 19:18
EstWRC

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

amazing video from Ziggysony
https://youtu.be/8RjL9RpU5tc

thanks and here is Bunnings video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H23b3RjWEBs
and D10m https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oifyLbWVb8
3rd June 2019, 19:49
racerx1979

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Originally Posted by krissucool

You could literally see how bad it was on TV. Fucking retard...

Nice choice of words... you also quoted EstWRC instead of denkimi.
3rd June 2019, 19:55
AL14

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

:D, I'm so glad everything is fine then.

I don't get it...

Anyway, it seems that Sordo replied to Ogier and said that's not true.
3rd June 2019, 20:04
Mirek

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Originally Posted by AL14

Anyway, it seems that Sordo replied to Ogier and said that's not true.

Nobody could have expected anything else.
3rd June 2019, 20:54
stefanvv

Quote:

Originally Posted by AL14

I don't get it...

Anyway, it seems that Sordo replied to Ogier and said that's not true.

Do you really believe Ogier is really that stupid to involve Sordo in this mess?!? Something tells me the people in charge know lot more than we'll ever know, and that's a good thing.
3rd June 2019, 21:05
AL14

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

Do you really believe Ogier is really that stupid to involve Sordo in this mess?!?

I keep don't understanding you. Sorry.
3rd June 2019, 21:17
stefanvv

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Originally Posted by AL14

I keep don't understanding you. Sorry.

I don't think it's necessary. Definitely no need to sorry about it. If you're interested would read my previous comments, I think they're very easy to understand.
3rd June 2019, 21:26
mknight

Anyone seen any explanation or statement from MSport why Greensmiths suspension was broken even before the jump?

His onboard is not on wrc+.
3rd June 2019, 23:45
Rally Power

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simmi

Had a great time in Portugal. Warm weather, warm welcome from the people there. Finally got to the iconic spots of Fafe. I have to say that stage is the biggest in the WRC. If anyone has been in there the night before they will know. I've not seen anything like it. Beyond that you just have to re-set your expectations as a spectator. It's barely worth the stress of trying to step outside spectator zones. Most of them are really good with views and atmosphere.

Amen! I’m obviously biased on this matter and must sound exaggerated every time I praise our Rally, so it’s great to see the others recognizing how special Rally de Portugal it’s. We don’t have manus or top drivers but we have a hugely passionate people that celebrate the Rally as a way to celebrate life; eventually, that’s what mostly matter.

Btw, ACP chairman, Carlos Barbosa, has announced that the Rally will continue in the North and Center regions during the next years. Hats off for him, the ACP staff and all RdP partners!
4th June 2019, 05:56
EstWRC

great video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T547o8rDeM
4th June 2019, 09:08
Indreq

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Originally Posted by denkimi

Does anyone really believe that tanak had a broken damper?
When you take into account the time he lost with his off, he was just as fast as the previous passage compared to ogier and neuville. You don't do that with a broken damper.
Latvala had a real broken damper, tanak was playing games.

So what is the cause in your opinion then? https://media.giphy.com/media/XBF6oj...a1mp/giphy.gif

PS Click link to see gif, not thumbnail, i dont know how to remove it...

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