at Catalunya the true pace of yaris we saw at power stage.Tanak destroy Neuville,while Neuville was thinking that he will not be faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
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at Catalunya the true pace of yaris we saw at power stage.Tanak destroy Neuville,while Neuville was thinking that he will not be faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Yep the tarmac pace is questionable. Only Neuville and Sordo can go fast there with the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
On gravel it suits more or less for everyone.
And regarding mikkelsen. To be honest it seems to me it’s more him than the car. The guy just isn’t so adaptive IMO.
I don't get how you last part connects with rest. As you say on gravel it suits everyone in a way, though not on every single rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Neuville had 2 rallies this year where he was the slowest Hyundai and one of the slowest cars (Sardinia and Finland). Loeb was very slow in Sweden and on the stages he drove in Portugal. Mikkelsen was very slow in Chile.
On tarmac neither Mikkelsen nor Loeb can go fast with it.
Anyway very good point on previous page that there are only 2 tarmac rallies next year. Germany is also kind of special with 90deg corners and hairpins and Panzerplatte with surface that seems to suit Hyundai.
he would have hired ogier in 2017 and hyundai would by now have 3 constructor titles and 2 driver titles.Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderem
Michal/Michel Nandan, who was a disaster but at least considerate of his contracted drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderem
I love Adamo but he's rather ruthless.
It was Nandan who dropped Paddon and Sordo each for one rally at end of 2017 for Mikkelsen an ran both for half season in 2018. Similarly ut was him who kicked Paddon and hired Loeb at end of 2018.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
Even bigger problem with Nandan was his attitude to car(engineer) vs driver wishes. Engineers made a car and drivers should just get used to it. First after Adamo came they actually started to change the car to what different drivers wanted. Remember that Nandan was also responsible for 307WRC.
what i meant was that on gravel the drivers do better than on tarmac.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Like you say that Mikkelsen and Loeb arent fast with it on tarmac but have been fast on certain gravel events, Loeb recently in Spain just a week ago.
Are Sordos and Neuvilles driving styles similar? Because Sordo is also fast with it in on both surfaces. But he has been also with the team since day1 so it can be that they both just understand better the car.
Starting position. Also, in Sardegna he made mistakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Mikkelsen out
Breen in
For Australia
fact or guess?Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
Sordo just doesn't drive the rallies where he isn't fast. In Argentina and Turkey this year it was him that was the slowest Hyundai still.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
If true it's interesting decision making as Breen was slower than Mikkelsen in both outings this year and in GB crashed from behind Mikkelsen... and as a reward he gets to drive a rally where he crashed the last two years.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
Could also be an indicator that Mikkelsen already signed elsewhere.
On technical gravel rallies, everyone is fast with Hyundai. Neuville, Sordo, Paddon, Mikkelsen, Loeb, all have made stage wins and been in the lead. On fast gravel, they have issues, and on tarmac, for a reason or another, Neuville and Sordo can be quick, others not. I know that Neuville used to have a style where he pulls the handbrake a lot to get the car turned in. Not sure if Sordo would do the same, maybe he's just learned the car throughout the years?Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIRWn-aX...jpg&name=largeQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
So, Breen drives now with #18 because #42 was taken by a WRC2 car.
Mikkelsen would have been fourth on the road. Now, they make Latvala and Meeke road positions one step worse and instead get 8th and 10th.
Even so it's hard to believe that Adamo seriously thinks that Breen is likely to deliver a better result. In Finland he had better road position.. and was slower ("2nd" rally though). In GB he was slower and crashed. Last year Breen also had good road position in Australia and went off road.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
So imo there are other reasons, for example:
- he wants to keep Breen for those 3-4 rallies next year and this is to also let him get used to the car or test him
- Mikkelsen is already engaged somewhere else
Taking Tanak and not caring about "team balance" will give them a very high chance to win WDC next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderem
Adamo is not making Nandan mistake when he didn't took Ogier after VW dropped out.
I've always thought since the beginning that he made a big mistake gifting Ogier to M-Sport back then.
Could be about road position or just another sign Adamo doesnt have faith in Mikkelsen to do a certain job - he likely figures knowing Andreas is without a drive he will push hard for the win to prove himself. Whereas Breen is maybe more easy to control - with the promise of a campaign in R5 + a few wrc events next year.
Iirc Meeke has been running 4th on the road a lot this season and i dont think it has helped vs the two Hyundai running further back. Jari hasn't been able to fight well against the two Hyundais with good road position even when he had started in similar position on the road. So maybe it is just Adama thinking Mikkelsen at 4th won't to do better than Breen starting 11th...
I think Mikkelsen has signed for another team.
He is a top-contender in Australia, 4th best driver in the championship, can win the damn race.
Breen, crashed last time, going to crash again.
Sad to say, but if Mikkelsen dont have signed for another team, adamo and Hyundai has shit theire legs, manu-champ wise.
Its the only explaination, he is going somewhere else.
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Sordo hasn't done Australia since 2016, ended up in the 5th place as the slowest Hyundai. Breen is promising, but no way he's better than Mikkelsen. I would say swapping out Mikkelsen gives Toyota a much better chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
But as said, swapping Mikkelsen with Breen is a better investment for next year as Mikkelsen is likely out and Breen will do the remaining events next year.
Maybe Hyundai already believes that Toyota is not capable of taking the title from them and therefore willing to make this risk
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I would say faith in general. As he said in interview with Colin he either trusts a driver or doesn't. But it also seems that once he has decided on trusting or not it's set in stone.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
No matter how bad Loeb does on a rally he is trusted, seems the same happened with Breen. Both in Finland and GB in just about every media zone Adamo would talk with Breenand basically ignore Mikkelsen even when Mikkelsen was fighting with Ogier (Finland) and Evans (GB) while Breen was not in a fight or in superrally.
True, but it's not the same car it was back in 2014 (different regulations) and, Mikkelsen has been there for 2 years now so....yes they have an advantage over him, but I recall him being very fast at the end of 2017 and then just not being able to match his own pace the following year. Anyhow, it's all history now, as Mikkelsen won't be competing for Hyundai in Australia, guess he's looking at other teams (ahm, maybe Toyota imho) for a drive next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
He was on mikklesens heels the whole of Finland and only slower than him on Sunday and was faster than him on Friday he was never gonna be allowed to push on Sunday so as to let neuville past him so don't paint it as a rosy picture where mikklesens was faster the whole weekend cause he really wasntQuote:
Originally Posted by mknight
I look at this perspective: They would send Mikkelsen to the Oz, but recently he is in talks with other teams. He probbaly refuse or lose motivation for driving for them knowing he won't be there for a whole year or at least most of it, so he says goodbye already. They would immediately call Paddon who is eager to drive there and could deliver great results but he is entering with M-Sport already so that option is not available. Who is there? Breen ofcourse. Bad history with that rally but remember he had been driving C3 and back then it was as bad as much. Now he will drive i20 and who knows maybe he could deliver decent result.
And Hyundai maybe thinking long time. If Toyota will win the manu title this year they will certainly not winning next year and they know that. So what they could lose with sending Breen there.
Even if Mikkelsen goes to Toyota/M-Sport/whatever I don't think this rally would have harmed him, he usually brings in a good result (mind you he has won it 3 years ago), and for Hyundai it's still a risk, I get that both sides are already thinking about next season, but even for Mikkelsen as a rally driver, if you have an opportunity to drive, you drive, even if you won't be in that team next year. If not for the team, then at least to keep 'fit' until next year...I mean, to not drive from the start of October until the end of January is a lot of time without staying at the top of your game, and you may never know how things will eventually pan out....that is unless, Mikkelsen has already signed for next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
Breen was 0,4s faster after Friday with better road position. Since then he has been slower and ended Saturday 2 positions behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by wia5958
He totally was allowed to push on Sunday morning since he started 6s behind Ogier and if he crashed Neuville would just get his spot anyway. He even said so after first stage that he needs to push. First after 2nd he gave up.
So yes Mikkelsen was faster. Just like for example Tänak was faster than Neuville in GB even though the difference was small.
Breens contribution to teampoins from two starts was 0. So speed and likely results alone aren't the only reason.
Btw. Adamo was asked who will drive in Australia in Catalunya press conference and confirmed Mikkelsen. So either he lied or something changed.
9 seconds behind in Finland after 2days in his first rally in a new car with little testing. Says much more about breen than it does for mikklesen. Everyone knows u have a hard on for him it's cute to see your reaction when someone criticizes him thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by mknight
And breen was never going to be allowed to take points of neuville on sunday with him a position behind so was no point to push. His reason for 0 points for team out of 2 Rally's is he stepped aside and gave his points to neuville in Finland. And y are comparing tanak and neuville. We are comparing breen and mikklesen. Totally of subject as usual u try to spin something to make it look better than facts stateQuote:
Originally Posted by mknight
So being ahead of someone means you are worse now?Quote:
Originally Posted by wia5958
Btw. Neuville was 20s behind Breen on Saturday evening, so let's kick Neuville and hire Breen?
He was 6 seconds behind Ogier at that point, even if he crashed Neuville would still get same points, while overtaking Ogier would help Hyundai in manu champ. But hey I wrote that already and you ignored it while talking about facts.....ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by wia5958
Breens comment after first stage on Sunday:
Breen Craig - Nagle Paul
"I need to push more than that definitely. You need to stick your neck out sometimes in this game and it's time to do it.
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Btw. Mikkelsen was in same situation on Sardinia on sunday. He was allowed to push and try to overtake Evans, if he failed he would drop behind Neuville just like Breen did in Finland.
Neuville was after a massive accident in Chile did you expect him to go to the fastest rally and be committed after that. Again my point was little or no test time and to be fastest Hyundai on Fri quite an achievementQuote:
Originally Posted by mknight
"Breens contribution to teampoins from two starts was 0. So speed and likely results alone aren't the only reason."
Again why is his contribution 0? And what should it have been. Don't paint a picture of something that doesn't entirely reflect the truth of his performance in Finland.
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We drove through SS9 in RACC. No way you could do such time without brakes. He would have had massive off on that stage without brakes. Problably the brakes lost some feel but I doubt it was a serious problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
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The reason Mikkelsen is not starting Australia is just because Evans or Meeke didn't get past him on the points in Catalunya according to Adamo.
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There are two aspects here:Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
1. 6 places later starting order does not mean Breen will be faster over the rally. In Finland he started 4 places behind and was slower on a rally where he has one of his 2 podiums and Mikkelsen has never been on a podium. Though off course it was Breens second rally with Hyundai WRC and first championship one.
2. In case some rain comes (as it did the last 2 years) the whole starting position "planning" will be nonsense or even counter-productive. Spreading the starting positions seems like a better idea than to have 2/3 of all cars at the back.
=> It basically sounds like a big excuse and the real reason is more that he doesn't trust him for some reason.
Also I dunno if they did it in the (paid) article but the obvious first question to Adamo should be why did he say otherwise on the post even press conference in Catalunya.
Probably just glaced(is that right word) brake bads or something like that. That list was meant for those finns who are still so sure that Toyota is most reliable car in whole world. Even with those other teams "little" problems are Toyota issues count 10 more.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Now to the topic - Does anyone know where and when the test was for Ott&Martin?
Mikkelsen has always been fast in Australia, if he is 4th or 8th on the road it dosen't matter, he would be faster than Breen in the Hyundai at this rally anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Only resonable explantation is Mikkelsen don't drive Hyundai next year, and Breen does.
Mikkelsen to Toyota or M-sport, depends on Evans, Breen will do the leftover events in the WRC, and do development, testing and racing the R5, both of them.
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I’m pretty sure that Mikkelsen will have done some irreparable damage at the start of the year with all that contract business.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
Probably why he’s not with the management company who allowed his water tight contract to leak.
My guess would be that Mikkelsen wants to be able to pay for a drive. It was pretty clear that EVEN does not pay for a WRC drive. Once a paydriver, always a paydriver. Tidemand also left shortly before he started paying for M-Sport drives.Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
I’m sure Mikkelsen does NOT want to pay for a drive, and split from EVEN because he would not want to split what income he can with a manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
If there are only a very small number of seats available, perhaps even at one team, why do you need a manager....?
He knows the phone numbers of the people involved. It’s not a big service park.
And Tidemand split for the same reason. Why pay a manager a split of your income if you’re paying for the drives with your own sponsors and can do the deals yourself?