I see a GR4 chassis, not only a FL.
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I see a GR4 chassis, not only a FL.
Yeah, most likely the team has had input on the GR4 model which will then be used as the basis for the WRC car, with some issues already solved or things improved in the base model. Kind of like in the Group A days with homologation specials...
Well, some people think they are not a factory team...
So Toyota will introduce a new car just for 1 year... and Hyundai will likely do the same with new I20 road car beeing introduced soon. (Hyundai also did this once before in 2016).
MSport likely lacking a lot of pace next year (same as 2016 again).
I can't stress this enough, I hope we get another manufacturer into the WRC before it's too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
I think if all of remaining three will sign at the deadline of april 2020 that the regs will get green light. If one (I believe M-Sport will not be part of it because of huge costs involved) that just for two teams it's not worth it.
Still there is hope that either Skoda or Subaru will come up with a solution. Or both. That would be amazing.
Would be great to see rumoured Subaru to come back to WRC together with Prodrive which has been deeply involved in hybrid/electric development for few years already.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
I find your lack of faith (in Skoda entry) distrurbing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karbonyl
It would indeed, Prodrive are putting their expertise into the Dakar rally for next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karbonyl
https://www.prodrive.com/prodrive-heads-for-dakar
And an iconic blue/gold livery with 555 sponsor style... wet dreams
Most likely current or 2021 new cars can be easily adapted to ’22 rules as the hybrid system is due to be compact and work complementary to the exisiting ICE (apparently placed on a box at the rear of driver’s seats). Besides, spaceframe chassis will be optional, not mandatory (probably used by manus with only SUV’s or crossovers on their range).Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
It worth to take a look on FIA hybrid system tender: https://legal.fia.com/web/appeloffre.nsf/F1AA7144B5082934C12584D500563B6B/$FILE/ITT%20WRC%20Hybrid%20System%202022-2024_Final%2019.12.2019.pdf?openelement
new video with yaris 2021
https://youtu.be/efSC6ENRDwo
Is it only me who thinks it looks like i20 from this angle?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQMSEAhW...jpg&name=large
Not only you.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
https://hencca.galleria.fi/kuvat/Urh...nninen+07.02./
Very good pics from Henri Vuorinen
E: antti was faster, looks even more like i20 on those pics
https://scontent.fhen1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...c3&oe=5EC800F0
The important thing is that it finally looks like a rally car and not like a candy in aero dress.
It's interesting how the new car seemingly has less "extra" aero compared to the old one. I guess that's partly cause the base aero of the car is much better so there is less need for "extra" stuff to correct it. That actually seemed to be one of the main motivation for introducing the GR4. To have a more suitable "basecar".
The interesting points aero-wise:
- the extra "sidewings" on the front sides/wheelarches are gone, on the other hand the diveplanes look quite a lot bigger, so basically getting enough downforce at the very front in the first place instead of adding extra sidewings that are probably less effective.
- Rear sidepods with a "cut in" from the sides is something new, alltogether they look much more similar to the current I20 than to the current Yaris
- maybe this is only due to this being a preliminary design which they fit as a start but the diffuser looks like some attempt at a double-deck/blown diffuser combination with all the empty space between it and the exhaust and rest of the bumper
- the lower parts of the sides/doors look now exactly like the I20 and partly Fiesta with a continuous flat part from the front wheel all the way to the back instead of the current Toyota design which seems to get a lot of damage from gravel from the front wheels on rough gravel events
How is it possible that Toyotas now look this cool? This, the road-going GR and the Corolla look like they’ve come from a completely different company than the Toyota we’ve known for the last 15-20 years...Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
There's been quite a lot of stuff that's popped up on youtube with Toyota having track days/media days with the new road going car, with Meeke, Alonso and Jose Maria Lopes involved.
They are definitely hyping it up. Nice to see a manufacturer making a car like this again.
Yeah I think that view is widely shared too. The thread on the Yaris GR on Pistonheads is just about the most universally approving, supportive and least polarising discussion the forum has ever had!Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
This new Yaris is only for one year, right?
And then in 2022 will it be the Corolla?
What's the point of developing a car just for one season?
To learn from that and use the knowledge for the development of the next generation car for the seasons after, which will be built from the same base car. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Portimao
It depends what the regulations will be for 2022 on-wards but as it stands now it looks like we're going to stay with the B-segment cars for a few more years, next year it will be 10 years! since the first DS3 & Fiesta were introduced to the WRC stages back in... Rally Sweden...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardo Filipe Matos
I'm more likely concerned that the amount of SUV's novadays on the road and many models of each brand (which by the way had maybe only one few years ago if they had any at all), that they will adapt more or less that kind of segment cars and modify to the regulations they will introduce. Also a many brands are introducing ''cross versions'' of hatchbacks and b segmen cars these days. Everything goes on electric/hybrid and SUV's.
Have you two not noticed that the news are already out that the new regulation allow scaled "siluette" cars with a spaceframe chassis? So it doesn't matter what cars manus produce.
Yeah I kinda forget about that for a minute there, my bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
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Originally Posted by Portimao
The main reason is marketing. Toyota doesn't need to promote the old model but the new one.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
That´s THE reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
PR.
C. Clark has a point that testing and developing the new car can compromise their performance/development with current one. As he writes in 2016 VW tested 2017 on most pre-event tests, often dropping the 2016 car completely. Imo it showed as by mid-season 2016 Polo wasn't the clearly unbeatable car any more.
Lluis at WRCWINGs for some reasons misses the omission of the small front side-planes ahead of the doors and more importantly the completely different car sides/floor extensions.
Big thank you for posting it, dimviii!
Mknight you are right, thanks, the side extensions are not reviewed in detail, because they looked provisional to me. I do mention that there is no top fender vent and no winglet yet, while I'm convinced they will come back in future designs. They are a great contribution to the car balance and I don't expect they want to worsen it. We'll have to wait until the next test and see what they do.
Akio just read this and lol'ed, pulled out his wallet and threw a few thousand dollars in the air and said "we got money fo dayz muthafugga" and walked away.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Toyota has a huge budget and a CEO who is unbelievably passionate. So much so that he has talked to heads of Mitsubishi, Mazda and Subaru to try to get them involved in rallying. I even heard he was talking to Monster Tajima a few months back. Toyota today is not the same as VW in 2016-2017.
Money is not a problem, just like it wasn't for VW. Test days limits are (though a bit less for Toyota than others) if you want to test other places than around Jyväskylä. Furthermore driver and especially engineer availability can also be an issue.
Yeah, and in 2016 you had more test days available (BTW did they have extra days for developing the 2017 cars?).Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
As for driver availability, Toyota has Hänninen who is their designated test driver, other teams don't really have such guys (Matthew Wilson at M-Sport?)
Hyundai have Loeb, he is 9 time champ. If he isn't the best "test" driver I don't know who it is. They also had Abbring and he did quite good job.
https://www.rallit.fi/tommi-makisen-...uuli-pyoreina/
Tommi says that Elfyn was able to change his driving style in the Sweden PET after the team had some recommendations. After that he hasn't touched the setup during the rally. He also considers Elfyn to be a champion contender