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Dear o dear. Hopefully that noise generator saves this venture of his.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
I vote for this sound!Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91CDXfNmbkU
That would be perfect, they should also add the game over sound from Super Mario right after a crash impact.
That's formula E, right? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I don't see why anyone would want to use a battery truck to charge battery cars. It doesn't have to be green, they just want to be able to tell people that its green.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
500kw generators are commercially available on trucks. If they put one on every stage start and allow a short fast recharge, they could start each stage with a full battery.
Yeah, the best idea to promote EV is to charge the WRC from a diesel generator standing in the service park. Great idea... No, it isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Formula E uses glycerine generatorsQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Which is nothing else than diesel generator running on glycerine, which is a by-product of bio-diesel production.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Yep, people won`t notice big, noisy, smelly genes representing their new "green and go where you want, when you want convinient" transportation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDafMzo4HO8&t=0m47sQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
what difference does it makes it that electricity is generated by a diesel generator of by a coal of gas plant a few kilometers away?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
it's all about PR and image. noboby cares about the reality. no sport that travels the world will ever be green, but the manufacturers just want to be able to claim otherwise.
as long as the manufacturers can tell people in their marketing that they are being "green", all the rest doesn't really matter anymore.
Maybe it doesn't match your view, but people do care about the reality. The numbers will have to match their story, at least to some extent. No large company (including car manufacturers) wants to have the reputation of doing "greenwashing". Once you have that label, the whole marketing campaign is useless.
Besides power supplier tender, Matton confirmed to the press that Rally1H it’s going ahead, no matter how many manus are in…
https://www.revistascratch.com/wrc/n...ricantes-58880
Fingers crossed for Hyundai to keep their entry, as with only two manus the WRC seems to be doomed.
Interesting tweet
@bp_rally
With all the talk about the WRC engine being outdated and that we need electric/hybrid. What power unit is in the brand new Hyundai i20N? What about the GR Yaris? Both petrol turbo. What cars is rallying used to market? The eco commuters? Or the back lane hooligans?
It's quite naive to think the manufacturers are putting in millions to promote only the "homologation specials". Again, petrolhead logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Are they really so terrible?Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qROTiK8pe-c
Couldn't be any more stubborn (or proud, or stupid, make your choice). As usual the people in power believe they know better than anyone and refuse to admit that what was once their bright idea is no longer valid (not even their fault here). Same everywhere, from politics, to companies, to sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
I hate to say so, but I almost wish both Huyndai and MSport bail out, so that the harsh reality would have to bring them down. Having said this, though, I wish ... not - or the next few years are going to be pretty boring ...
Telling people directly that they are dumb is something which worked perfectly in the past, right? Do you understand that even a minority which gets offended by that can do a lot of noise over social networks etc. and make your effort turning against you? If marketing for EV shall ever work, it must be at least somewhat credible, otherwise you don't need to bother and spend any money because it won't work anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Let me give you an example. The majority of people here is against EV. Three of four guys in whatever pub, you get in, will tell you plenty of reasons why it's bullshit. They happily use every fail used to promote EV and they are very happy when they find more ammunition for their guns - such as last year's pitiful show of the so-called green rally from Rally Bohemia 2019. The way how Audi pressed organizers to change the route because their cars would not be able to get into the finish got into every motoring and motorsport website and the fact that due to that the EVs caused major delay of the main competitive field on the SSS and got into the scheduled national TV stream instead of the main competition was just a cherry on the cake. Basically everybody who watched that and his dog hates them now. And it was discussed to death all over the internet because there is more than enough people waiting for such fails to spread them around.
Think about it again. Your statement is a direct proof that this would not work in the very community which follows this sport because everyone here would take it as a sharade for retards. But who are those retards? People not following the sport? But that sport itself is the marketing and its audience is the target group of that marketing. Do you understand now that this would never work?
Raising the profile of the brand is the main aim of WRC participation. But sticking with petrol turbos for the next gen i20(N) & Yaris (GR) while insisting they are going 'green' in WRC is strange logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
If both of these models were hybrid then they would probably promote their brands 'green credentials' more than hybrid WRC's.
Yeah, they are on the stage. The Fabia in particular makes a billion sounds and not one of them is a sounds like a nice engine or exhaust sound to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
The C3 sounds quite nice though, I must say.
I kind of have the opposite view, the Citroen sounds like an old two stroke motorboat engine under braking, Fabia to me sounds quite good now at full pelt:Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
https://twitter.com/OliverSolberg01/...510064128?s=20
All R5s to me sound better than old GrpN4 cars or some 2L WRCs, but of course not as good as the current World Rally Cars.
These cars are just "homologation specials" of the current WRC cars which don't yet have any hybrid elements to them. We don't even know if i20 and Yaris will be used in the 2022 regulations, since larger model bodyshells could be used, Hyundai could want to promote the Kona as a hybrid model etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
EDIT: not current WRC cars but what would have been the WRC cars in 2021
JESUS CHRIST!!!! Again, the Yaris already has a hybrid version for several years and the I20 will have one next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Calm down :) Of course I know there's Yaris hybrids, but it's still not known whether they choose to go rallying in 2022 with that or some other model, since it can be chosen now more freely.
When they started designing the Yaris GR, the 2022 rules were still up in the air. In fact, they were designing things for that car with specifically the now-cancelled 2021 WRC car homologation in mind, not the 2022 car. We could even see all Yaris GR's being sold out before the 2022 WRC cars are out.
Well, the i20N is just a hot version of the new i20, nothing to do with the WRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
If Toyota and Hyundai want to promote hybrid (performance) cars then their GR & N brands should be doing so more than their WRC entry. But for their newest performance models they are sticking with petrol. This does nothing this promote hybrid to 'petrol-heads' or encourage them to switch...
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Originally Posted by AnttiL
Current WRC are based on previous generations i20 and Yaris.
Both Yaris GR-4 and i20N are current generation cars, so totally different body shape than WRC-spec.
Yes, but only because the 2021 Yaris GR WRC car was scrapped. As for Hyundai, there were rumors of them making a facelifted WRC car as well...Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
And the new rally2, latest car unveiled from wrc manuQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Yep, so much for Dirtfish's R5/R5+ push ;)
That's a relief. Hope Todt can convince a few more manus to join in!Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
Really hope someone can. Even another one would feel incredible at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
The fact they’ve seemingly locked in the current three is actually incredibly good, considering, so I think it will basically push the sport into its next generation of regs and onwards hopefully.
Looked rocky for a while.
Surprised it’s seemingly worked out, but extremely happy.
Yeah, but remember it's still just Dirffish rumors and we've even seen teams pull out when they are "commited" (remember VW 2016 or Citroen 2019). All thumbs must still be kept upwards.
Not just rumours really. They wouldn’t have written the article unless they had signed. They wouldn’t have signed if they weren’t going to be there.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
It’s happening, against a lot of odds. Fantastic result.
UK government has just confirmed a ban on the sale of new diesel/petrol only cars from 2030. Plug in hybrids given until 2035. I think that is a sensible compromise, it’s a good way to transition to full electric whilst gradually getting the infrastructure in place for charging and waiting for electric car costs to reduce and range to improve further.
You can also see it from the point that what will come in ten years won't be likely the problem of the current people in charge. It can be postponed, changed, canceled, speed-up or whatever. A lot will be different in ten years than today and a lot will happen in between. In a way it's easy to plan something which will come into effect in ten years because such decision doesn't hurt now.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
True, and sped up seems unlikely as far as politicians are concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I could well see the hybrid ban getting postponed if there is not sufficient charging infrastructure in place for full electric by 2035.
Spot on. Besides demagogic, this political fixation on full EVs it's irresponsible as it makes harder to look for other alernatives, like the renewable synthetic fuels (RSF). Bosch, one of the leading partners in carbon neutral RSF, is struggling to get support for their development. https://www.bosch.com/stories/denner...ectromobility/Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Btw, F1 will use RSF in their next hybrid engines generation. https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...fuels/4907782/
https://yle.fi/urheilu/3-11665104
Jarmo Mahonen said in an interview that two big manufacturers are interested in joining WRC. He also says the current teams haven't yet signed the paper on committing to the rules, but it has been agreed verbally.
EDIT: The two new manufacturers were actually interested a few years ago. Misleading article.