88. Rallye Automobile de Monte-Carlo 2020

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26th January 2020, 07:43
PLuto

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Originally Posted by wia5958

Didn't meeke win ERC?

No. He won IRC.
26th January 2020, 07:43
dimviii

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPKcRjwX...pg&name=medium
26th January 2020, 07:45
dimviii

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Originally Posted by mknight

Sure, but does he see Tanak as a more dangerous opponent? I'd say yes.

Compare last year when fighting with Neuville here he was really "excited" and "nervous" after each stage when in close fight and this year he is just "relaxed".

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPMTqu8X...jpg&name=large
26th January 2020, 07:45
Rallyper

@Cali : agree with you. Katsuta improved a lot during rally, actually. ;) ;)
26th January 2020, 07:50
PLuto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rallyper

@Cali : agree with you. Katsuta improved a lot during rally, actually. ;) ;)

He is beating Kalle now :)
26th January 2020, 07:50
wia5958

Quote:

Originally Posted by PLuto

No. He won IRC.

thanks my bad
26th January 2020, 07:53
KKS

Heavy artillery on a stage. Neuville -6.0 on 1st ^_^
26th January 2020, 07:54
Katvala

As last year, Live TV stages waste too much time on slow Mo replays and showing start launches..

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26th January 2020, 07:54
mknight

Adamo won't be happy
26th January 2020, 07:55
Katvala

Loeb got stuck, lost lots of time!

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26th January 2020, 07:55
KKS

Oh how lucky Loeb was
26th January 2020, 07:59
TypeR

seems like Neuville is going for the win.. faster than Ogier and Evans
26th January 2020, 07:59
Katvala

We get to see 20 seconds of driving every car. I can't believe it

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26th January 2020, 08:01
EstWRC

Quote:

Originally Posted by mknight

I am getting a feeling that Ogier is not pushing 100%, not only today but also most of yesterday. Doesn't want to risk missing point advantage when Tanak is already out?

Quote:

Originally Posted by KKS

He never pushed 100% when not confident. And now he confirmed that on all live. If you don't understand that - it's your problems.
Ogier achieve all his trophy by steady approach, backing off in situations when it could go wrong. That what JML or Meeke need to learn, but never learnt.

im getting the feeling you both and many others here dont want to admit the Toyota actually isnt that much faster and better car like many expected. It also seems to me it has hit Ogier too when he sees the times at the end of the stages at thats why he isnt so excited.
26th January 2020, 08:01
KKS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Katvala

We get to see 20 seconds of driving every car. I can't believe it

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wrc+ got worse and worse. 50% of rolling car, 40% interviewed car and only 10% of pushing car
26th January 2020, 08:02
Katvala

Quote:

Originally Posted by KKS

wrc+ got worse and worse. 50% of rolling car, 40% interviewed car and only 10% of pushing car

All live stages are still better. Less time wasted like that, and use of picture in picture view. Live TV is something else

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26th January 2020, 08:03
KKS

Quote:

Originally Posted by EstWRC

im getting the feeling you both and many others here dont want to admit the Toyota actually isnt that much faster and better car like many expected. It also seems to me it has hit Ogier too when he sees the times at the end of the stages at thats why he isnt so excited.

I'm pin this post and we go back later on it after probably Portugal
26th January 2020, 08:11
mknight

Quote:

Originally Posted by EstWRC

im getting the feeling you both and many others here dont want to admit the Toyota actually isnt that much faster and better car like many expected. It also seems to me it has hit Ogier too when he sees the times at the end of the stages at thats why he isnt so excited.

Evans who in 5 WRC starts never was better than 6th in Monte and never really fought for podium either now immediately fights for win. Tanak went from easily beating everyone last year (on speed) here to crashing from 4th.. but yeah Toyota is bad.

Try harder...I am sure you will as the year is long.
26th January 2020, 08:12
EstWRC

Quote:

Originally Posted by mknight

I am getting a feeling that Ogier is not pushing 100%, not only today but also most of yesterday. Doesn't want to risk missing point advantage when Tanak is already out?

Quote:

Originally Posted by KKS

I'm pin this post and we go back later on it after probably Portugal

hehe, totally fine. im not saying he wont be dominating in the future, you never know when something clicks suddenly.

But i mean, the one and only rally where you expect Ogier to win and dominate no matter what the car is Monte Carlo, his record here speaks for itself.

He was beating Evans left and right in M-sport days and is now struggling to match him the whole weekend.
26th January 2020, 08:14
AnttiL

Quote:

Originally Posted by KKS

wrc+ got worse and worse. 50% of rolling car, 40% interviewed car and only 10% of pushing car

This stage was shortened from the end for some reason, but the time control is still in the same place. Thus the distance from the finish line to the end interview is much longer.

Can't help noticing the big Pirelli signs on the banks...
26th January 2020, 08:16
dimviii

too early for conclusions guys!
26th January 2020, 08:17
dimviii

Veiby blocked the road,stage cancelled
26th January 2020, 08:19
EstWRC

Quote:

Originally Posted by mknight

Evans who in 5 WRC starts never was better than 6th in Monte and never really fought for podium either now immediately fights for win. Tanak went from easily beating everyone last year (on speed) here to crashing from 4th.. but yeah Toyota is bad.

Try harder...I am sure you will as the year is long.

where did i say the car is bad? and one crash in 2 years now means he cant drive at all?

i too expected Ogier to come here and dominate, most of all because of his Monte record no matter what the car but it hasnt happened, like i said it doesnt mean it wont happen this season.

Evans has had this sudden performance rises int he past too, Corsica 2019 the recent one. im not taking anything away from this weekend, he has been brilliant and i wish he would win.
26th January 2020, 08:20
PLuto

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

Veiby blocked the road,stage cancelled

Currently only interrupted, not cancelled yet.
26th January 2020, 08:21
AnttiL

Quote:

Originally Posted by EstWRC

where did i say the car is bad? and one crash in 2 years now means he cant drive at all?

i too expected Ogier to come here and dominate, most of all because of his Monte record no matter what the car but it hasnt happened, like i said it doesnt mean it wont happen this season.

Evans has had this sudden performance rises int he past too, Corsica 2019 the recent one. im not taking anything away from this weekend, he has been brilliant and i wish he would win.

All in all it's too early to make conclusions, especially because Monte is so special event. Going into a new car shuffles the deck and for Evans it has been a easier/quicker/better fit than for Ogier.

Could also be that Ogier is losing his motivation.
26th January 2020, 08:22
AnttiL

Veiby

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPMhwxSW...pg&name=medium
26th January 2020, 08:22
dimviii

SS14 Update

Veiby's Hyundai i20 has lost a wheel and it sounds like he could be blocking the stage.

Stage halted

Organisers have decided to halt the stage. More news as we know it.
26th January 2020, 08:26
KKS

Quote:

Originally Posted by EstWRC

hehe, totally fine. im not saying he wont be dominating in the future, you never know when something clicks suddenly.

But i mean, the one and only rally where you expect Ogier to win and dominate no matter what the car is Monte Carlo, his record here speaks for itself.

He was beating Evans left and right in M-sport days and is now struggling to match him the whole weekend.

yep, cuz he felt OK with Fiesta basically straight away, getting some experience by every next rally. Now we got a 1 WRC rally winner beating 52 times rally winner and 6 times champion. It's not happen for nothing.
Loeb told as yesterday that he can't much Yaris speed cuz it too fast car. For me a point of 9time WDC matters and I believe him. And you?

Low speed from Ogier now only cuz he cut off himself, to prevent crashing. 3rd pos it's better than retire. Only JML and Meeke didn't know that.
PS Ott will lose this champ for sure. 2nd or 3rd this a question. He's move and reaction from Toyota was like crying kid.
26th January 2020, 08:27
KKS

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnttiL

This stage was shortened from the end for some reason, but the time control is still in the same place. Thus the distance from the finish line to the end interview is much longer.

Can't help noticing the big Pirelli signs on the banks...

So why not switch to active car and show only interview on small screen?
26th January 2020, 08:28
Mise

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnttiL

All in all it's too early to make conclusions, especially because Monte is so special event. Going into a new car shuffles the deck and for Evans it has been a easier/quicker/better fit than for Ogier.

Could also be that Ogier is losing his motivation.

What if Ford is closer to Toyota than Citroen in driveability. Then it is only logical that it takes less time to adapt the car. since there's less thing to adapt.
Both Ogier and Lappi were complaining about the behaviour of Citroen.
26th January 2020, 08:30
Portimao

I can see exactly the same kind of frustration on Ogier's face like in previous year with Citroen. Wonder if his wife is gonna tweet about "Shitoyota" anytime soon.
26th January 2020, 08:32
erikli2

Veiby blocking the road:

https://twitter.com/Bartolbia84/stat...505408/photo/1
26th January 2020, 08:35
mknight

Quote:

Originally Posted by EstWRC

where did i say the car is bad?

Quote:

Originally Posted by EstWRC

im getting the feeling you both and many others here dont want to admit the Toyota actually isnt that much faster and better car like many expected.

There

Quote:

Originally Posted by EstWRC

and one crash in 2 years now means he cant drive at all?

Nobody said that, just that Tanak was slower on Monte this year in i20 than last year in Yaris, which is a fact.

Quote:

Originally Posted by EstWRC

Evans has had this sudden performance rises int he past too, Corsica 2019 the recent one.

In Corsica 2019, Suninen in his first rally in WRC on Corsica almost beat Sordo and decimated Loeb and Latvala. So Fiesta totally wasn't a bad car there, proving the point here again.

Huge sudden changes in driver performances are mostly down to car (and ajusting to it). This has been proven over and over again in last 20 years, yet some people always blame the driver (or applaud him). Going from Martin's change from Ford to 307, Solbergs decline in later Subarus and then suddenly fighting in the top in C4 and very recently with the likes of Loeb forgetting how to drive on tarmac right after winning a tarmac rally.
26th January 2020, 08:35
surdna

Quote:

Originally Posted by Portimao

I can see exactly the same kind of frustration on Ogier's face like in previous year with Citroen. Wonder if his wife is gonna tweet about "Shitoyota" anytime soon.

i wonder did Ogiers contract included a point about he's wife twitter usage
26th January 2020, 08:35
PLuto

Quote:

Originally Posted by PLuto

Currently only interrupted, not cancelled yet.

Now it is cancelled.
26th January 2020, 08:39
KKS

Lappi's "when wall come closer it's not be fun anymore"
https://www.facebook.com/ramotorspor...8674143237797/
26th January 2020, 08:42
BurgundyRedMamba

Quote:

Originally Posted by mknight

There

Nobody said that, just that Tanak was slower on Monte this year in i20 than last year in Yaris, which is a fact.

I believe there's a difference between "bad" and "not being dominating". Can't interpret everything as one wants to think. When it comes to Ott's speed, he already seemed faster on the first stage of Friday. Can't make many conclusions based on 3 stages. Nobody knows where he would have ended up on Sunday afternoon if it wasn't the crash. Let's wait and see at least couple of rallies and hopefully there will be 4 top drivers fighting for championship this year.
26th January 2020, 08:49
AnttiL

Quote:

Originally Posted by KKS

So why not switch to active car and show only interview on small screen?

Because this broadcast is targeted to "regular" viewers who might get confused if the car switches in the middle and then cuts to someone else's interview? I dunno. We understand this sport, but it's complicated to explain for the average man down the road.

I agree that it was dull to watch, but I also try to understand why they chose to do it like this.
26th January 2020, 08:50
EstWRC

Quote:

Originally Posted by BurgundyRedMamba

I believe there's a difference between "bad" and "not being dominating". Can't interpret everything as one wants to think.

you did get me and thats what i meant.

i cant believe he translated that sentence with me sayin the car is bad.
26th January 2020, 08:51
AnttiL

One thing that people forget that performance is not just a simple sum of driver and car performance. They much match together, it's more like a chemical reaction. One car suits one driver better and vice versa.

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