F1 has been determined to get rid of him since he was elected; he's not from their world - and isn't suitable in their eyes. No other series has a problem with him, only F1.......Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
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F1 has been determined to get rid of him since he was elected; he's not from their world - and isn't suitable in their eyes. No other series has a problem with him, only F1.......Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
I recommend to read Plutos postQuote:
Originally Posted by macebig
Not sure if potentially losing Toyota, Hyundai and M-Sport would be better than finding some common ground. WRC keeping hybrids for 2025 and 2026 is not death sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
I think the ‘real’ aims of the discussions will become evident soon enough. For me I suspect the FIA/Promoter want the teams to commit to running more cars in the short term to keep the rules stable. I don’t believe this combined Rally 1-/Rally 2+ thing was anything more than a motivation to the teams to negotiate a better field of Rally 1 cars in the short term.
I might be wrong of course, but let’s see.
I think this is the main issue rather than what is technically possible. Let's see where it leads, if they compromise and keep the cars but add an extra car each for young drivers it would be fine for me, but keeping 8 cars for 2 more years is not appealing to me...Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
That would actually be quite a nice scenario.Quote:
Originally Posted by doubled1978
With all the bickering and all these things, they should've discussed the regulations for 2027 and have something finalised and not get to the end of 2025 with barely knowing what will be the regulations for 2027.
It’s a tactic as old as time, announce a plan that the teams really don’t want and negotiate back to the point you really wanted to get to in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
Toyota were taking the 'new Regs' seriously, already testing a 2025-spec Rally1...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKWcQCvW...pg&name=medium
on the positive side, its impressive toyota's commitment with rallying. they signed the petition for fia to keep the hybrids (together with hyundai and msport) and they are already testing rally1- and rally2+. thats honestly really incredible. that is commitment, not just politics. putting their wallet where their mouth is. incredible imo.
Don't forget that F1 wants to get rid of him because he literally wants to improve the sport aspect over profits.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Asked by Autosport if he had any hope the FIA would make changes to its plans for next year, before the letter was sent, Abiteboul said: “We have expressed our opinion in December, in January and then February, verbally and in writing.
“At some point you have to simply deal with it and accept the governing body has made its mind and the one thing we need to understand is the aftermath of it from a competitiveness perspective.
“Hyundai is a very committed to rally and we want to be a serious competitor and we want to do what we need to do to have a competitive car against our competitors.
“We had good results in the opening rounds. I think we all agree that there were some favourable circumstances even if Thierry [Neuville] was remarkable in Monte Carlo.
“We know we still have a clear handicap against the Toyota and now we are facing a situation where this handicap has to remain for another two years.”
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/w...2025/10595746/
come back, ralliart, stop teasing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MgVCkRnGMo&t=10s
Rovanpera has his say...
https://rallyjournal.com/kalle-rovan...nt-commentary/
It's like a Benny Hill show..
I don't want this, I don't like that..
Teams and FIA/WRC maybe call each other and hold a serious meeting, not everybody commenting after one part has made some decisions.
keep the hybrid rally1 then, fine, whatever. just put the older rally1 cars (22, 23 and 24) to be raced by costumers/sattelite/privateers withouth the hybrid then. gotta increase those numbers of entries ffs. and allow them to score points on the top class. they will barely scare the manufacturer teams/drivers. deal?
Or maybe simply remove the hybrid for next year and leave it at that and then start working on regulations for 2027, or 2028 with the ways things are going.
Where could Hyundai race his new IONIQ electric car? Wheeere? Hmmmm...
https://www.diariomotor.com/competic...ioniq-5-n-en1/
It’s WRC Commission meeting day...
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/whats...s-wrc-tuesday/
Are you Latvala perhaps? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...c0c97e6391.jpg
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/w...2025/10595746/
just hoping for them to stop thinking about themselves and start to focusing on 'dont let wrc die'.
I wish, if I were him, I’d still try and compete ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
FIA confident of “collaborative solutions” to WRC teams' 2025 concerns...
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/f...erns/10596940/
tbh in the end of the day its probably not actually about 'which car' should they run or 'how many manufacturers" are participating, or "the cost" of top class teams. the reality is that "rallying" is simply way too difficult to promote and to "sell". thats it. and im not convinced silly red bull videos (like for f1) would work in this sport. i dont think this the "promotion" the sport lacks. its just a different beast. sometimes i even think that 'rallying' only exists because of the videos on youtube: crazu crashes, crazy fast onboards, crazy 'near misses' filmed by people on the stages AND the video games. other than that, its just us, some 200k fans(??) that still love and follow the sport, in a way.
i love those dirt fish videos, the hyundai youtube channel with some good content from the events but thats not stuff that would interest people that dont follow rally. not only that, 3 day event is simply way to difficult to sell to 'other motorsport fans' (to try to gain more and more new fans). gen-z? pfff forget it. its just crash / close call videos and streamer playing dirt rally on twitch tv. i dont actually think rally1, rally2, having groupB back whatever.. i dont think thats "wrc actual problem". are we ready to move to more rally sprints, way more gymkhana special stages, rallycross stages...? heck no! then, idk if wrc can grow like we want. thoughts?
No official news and regulations revealed yet..
But.. as far as I have heard from different sources, there will be a huge change in tyre supplier and top class cars must have 4wd.
+ person operating the vehicle must wear gloves and should listen to the co-operating person in the car.
Hankook are of the hook or are you implying everything will stay the same?Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
How do you know this? Let me guess: "can't say in public"?Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
Fair points if the context is growth, but right now nobody knows what next season looks like for the remaining manufacturers and 200k followers, so some of these points do matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by saco0o
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Originally Posted by TypeR
4wd? no, thats unacceptable!
No, racecars belong on race tracks.Quote:
Originally Posted by saco0o
well well well... subaru's performance new boss wants to go back to wrc
https://www.drive.com.au/news/subaru...o-world-rally/
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/sainz...c-great-again/
Spot on. Similar rules to Group A are needed. Especially if they can make base cars available widely and allow parts off the shelf like back in the day. Cut the ultra expensive crap and near prototype vehicles.
Such as?Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
*GR Yaris... (yes, yes)
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Edit: Maybe Rally3 is the answer for Macebig. ? Those are the similar 'improved production cars' rules.
i agree with sainz on that and i continue to think manufacturers should be able to build hybrid/ev/hydrogen rally2 cars for their factory teams using a "power to weight ratio" form of b.o.p. to keep everybody on the same spec but THE MOMENT fia announce "lets go to rally2 cars because what carlos said is what we believe too", we will all going to enter mode "no, but we are top and special like f1 and motogp. we are not a national championship. need prototypes". lol we are so screwed because of ourselves.
Power to weight ratio doesn't bring otherwise different designes to the same level. That is total misconception completely ignoring other differencies such as drivetrain, suspension, aero, weight ballance, center of gravity, inertias etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by saco0o
Bringing different cars to the same performance level is way more complicated and in fact it's impossible to universally level them for every conditions. Some designs will be always in advantage against others depending on the particular event conditions.
Group A-like rules are useless in 2024. Actually that idea run out of steam already nearly 30 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
Not really. Rally 2 is still based on production bodyshells. That's step 1. Keep stock bodies with the addition of a tailgate rear wing and enforce off the shelf suspension and 4WD parts. Use the production engine stated on the homologation papers as the full rally engine (no significant alterations) and bop the engines via turbo pressures and weight like GT3 do. Allow privateers to homologate and run cars and that's it. It will definitely be better than the 6 car championship we are currently experiencing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
In that case we would have *check notes* yeah, Toyota GR Yaris. There is basically no other car that would work as you described.
That doesn't make Rally2 rules in any way close to what gr.A rules were. Those are two completely different worlds.Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
So.... Rally3?Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig