What's the maximum number of R-GT entrants we've seen? Less than 5? R-GT needs a rethink. There's a load of GT3 (and GT4) cars out there.....
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What's the maximum number of R-GT entrants we've seen? Less than 5? R-GT needs a rethink. There's a load of GT3 (and GT4) cars out there.....
Any pictures from the Fiat of Andolfi after the crash?
Just to see the result of the impact, and how well it took it.
Any news on Andolfi and if the impact hurt him in any way?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0thGSNwTlAEQuote:
Originally Posted by wildboar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXkE...em-uploademail
Apparently we miss it on the forum, but even in the US it was noticed: Gilles Nantet will use a (gorgeous!) Cayman GT4 in French Rally series: http://www.roadandtrack.com/motorspo...gt4-rally-car/
Cayman shall be theoretically better base than 911.
Robert Kubica was testing the Abarth 124. https://twitter.com/TOMek_RK_Klub/st...49531951296512
I cannot find any information if he actually wants to compete in it though.
New Alpine A110 revealed. Will it become a homologated r-GT soon?
The new A110 is a beutiful car!
Will the Factory build a R-GT, or will some tuner take the ball?
It deserves to take up and build on the heritage from it older sister!
Jiri Jirovec is going to drive this Porsche in Czech rally championship this year. Is it not beautiful?
https://scontent.fprg1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...96&oe=59637034
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C65jZWHWcAIn6rX.jpg
3 Porsches in the top 10 of Spa Rally - the second round of Belgian rally championship:
1st CHERAIN / DELMELLE Citroën DS3 RRC
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5th BOUVY / HOTTELET Porsche 997 GT3
6th CLAERHOUT / VANDEPUTTE Porsche 997 GT3
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8th DUEZ / LEYH Porsche 997 GT3
http://www.autobuzz.be/media/Spa-Rally-2017-6.jpg
3 Abarths 124 are competing in Ciocco Rally in Italian rally championship. After day 1 Fabio Andolfi is 12th overall (1st in 2WD category) and Salvatore Riolo is 13th overall (2nd in 2WD category).
Results after day 1:
http://rally.ficr.it/default.asp?p=Y...0xpbmd1YT1JVEE
http://www.mattiperlecorse.it/images...017/abarth.jpg
Not so easy rally for the Porsches I guess, great result!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Since when are GT counted in 2WD? Do the Italians have their own rules? FIA doesn't count R-GT among 2WD (even though it's strange).Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
There was incredible number of retirements, mainly due to accidents. Final top three drivers were 4th, 8th and 14th after day 1...Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Well, as far as I know Abarth 124 is a 2WD car. I don't care what FIA says :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Yeaah, rally cars crash a lot, that's a fact, I'm still impressed with the results of the Porsche drivers, You must be disciplined drivers to achieve such result.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
They were +8:45; +12:33; +15:45. With that normally You have no chance but when Abbring, Princen, Lim, De Cecco, Demaerschalk, Dilley, Kenis, Mayeart, Debackere all retired (nearly all crashed), nearly nobody was left :)
Oh yes, conditions were very difficult, it was raining, the roads were slippery and full of mud, just look at the videos.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Marc Duez:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVBWHFYRV4s
F. Bouvy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92d6oUUveNU
Bouvy, Claerhout, Duez and Snijers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpboOGIyak0
End of Rally Il Ciocco in Italy. Fabio Andolfi completes the event in the 8th position, fastest among 2WD cars.
Final results:
http://rally.ficr.it/default.asp?p=Y...0xpbmd1YT1JVEE
https://scontent-waw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...48&oe=595F3BE0
Already on the Turini…(just a promo clip!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gordini
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnEUP8Kklk4
Still no news about a RGT but a racetrack GT4 version has been rumoured on French sites.
Dumas will enter the rest of RGT Cup on his 911: Corsisa, Barum, Roma and Vallais. http://www.romaindumas.com/romain-du...coupe-fia-rgt/
The multitask French will also enter Pikes Peak in a Norma and drive Le Mans 24h for Alpine, on their LMP2 car. Who knows, maybe he’ll end convincing Alpine guys to get involved on RGT.
Reasonably better times from Abarths on Sanremo. Clearly faster than FWD cars. Good progress.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Alpine should be in Rallying, who didn't love the awesome A110? Now there is a car that could be a R-GT....
The question is why shall Renault invest in something like R-GT? What will it get back for its investment? I am afraid that the answer is nothing.
Does everything have to be logical and reasonable? Let us dream... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Yes, not bad. Andolfi was 7th overall and Gache 9th. Andolfi quickest in 2WD. Not bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Final results of Rally Sanremo:
http://rally.ficr.it/default.asp?p=Y...TGluZ3VhPUlUQQ
https://cdn-5.motorsport.com/images/...-124-rally.jpg
the Alpine brand is all about passion!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Their heritage is as much about rally as racing, and with a new product entering the market, GT rallying is the perfect place to get press. Also I think the new A110 would be very competitive.
Guys, everything in automotive is about making money. If they can use some old brand as a tool to refresh excitement about their products they do it. But simply bringing something called Alpine make more for their image than some R-GT which nearly nobody cares about. Maybe if they make some deal with FIAT and possibly other manufacturers to create some well promoted competition than why not but otherwise it's just a waste of resources.
For me sounds more logical one Clio WRC or R5 than one Alpine GT.
You’re probably missing a crucial aspect: Monte Carlo Rally is still one of the most valuable branded motorsport events in the world. To win in no matter class on MC Rally can become an image boost for any manu, especially when there’s s strong heritage attached. In a bigger scale, the same happens in Le Mans; that’s why a secondary class win is so meaningful to Ford.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Maybe I’m being too optimistic, but I really believe that Alpine in RGT, probably in a venture with Dumas, is only a matter of time.
For sure we all would love to see Renault, Fiat or any other big manu developing WRC or R5 cars, but still it’s better to see them linked with some small rally programs (like RGT) than not having them involved in rally at all!Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Have You tried to ask people around You if they know who won Monte Carlo in GT class? I grant You that far majority would ask anything along "Were there some GT? I though it was WRC!" A quarter of the folks would know that Ogier won with Ford. One of hundred would know that Mikkelsen won WRC2 and maybe if You search really really hard You find someone who knows that Abarth was there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
I don't speak about this forum but about people living around us, for example my colleagues at work - in automotive company where nearly everybody follows some sort of motorsport. Even there I'm pretty sure that I can't find anyone on my floor (roughly sixty people) who would even know results of WRC2.
Mate, you’re seeing the glass half empty…
Do you think Ford is promoting their LMGT win at Le Mans 2016 by saying: we were only 18th overall, but we won the minor LMGTE class! Of course not; they’re advertising a Ford win in Le Mans. Full stop. Win and Le Mans, those are the words they want to spread among consumers in order to boost their brand image.
https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...s-le-mans.html
The same would happen in a well promoted Alpine RGT MC Rally campaign. Nobody would care if a win would occur in a secondary class, against four or five private crews, because it’d still be a Alpine win at Monte Carlo.
That’s why it’s wrong to see a hypothetical Alpine RGT program as a waste of resources. We should see it as smart and inexpensive way to link a reborn brand to its illustrious past. Plus, a chance to revamp RGT class and bring Renault closer to WRC. As a rally fan I’d love it!
Does Škoda advertise their successes? Yes, they do, heavily.
Do people know that they won Monte Carlo? Most of the people don't. As I said I don't know a single colleague at my work who would know about their victory - despite it was Škoda, i.e. Czech company and despite it was advertised and mentioned by the news.
Do the same people know that Ford won Monte Carlo with Ogier? Reasonable part of them knows that.
Fun fact - many of them know that Škoda was close to victory in IRC days but don't have a clue they won in WRC2. Why? Because overall victory counts. Associated cups don't.
Even if Renault advertises R-GT Cup it would be still nowhere near even the WRC2 simply because of completely different level of competition. Even the WRC2 which has very good quality is invisible for most of the people. If You think that R-GT Cup can become something more You are delusional.
You’re obviously forgetting how Skoda success in WRC lower classes during the 80’s and 90’s (from 1300cc class to kit car 2L world cup), hugely helped to boost Skoda’s brand image in Europe and it was decisive to their eventual WRC class manufacturer involvement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
To praise lower classes (including RGT) in WRC is not a delusional attitude; it’s the recognition that this great sport can become even greater, through a higher diversity of cars and brands.
It may have helped a brand considered to be an utter crap. Alpine or Abarth obviously aren't in similar situation and I really don't know how being around 20-30th place overall behind loads of cars of cheap brands could help their image.
Exactly! Just like it is portrayed in this video:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9F1YDjkJys
Test of Delecour for Corsica: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maeUsFJy-cs
There's some oldfashioned feeling in the video. The car suspension looks hard as a brick like the cars used to be two decades a go. Not that bad for spectating when Delecour drives it.
Delecour would love driving an Alpine A110 R-GT if a tuing firm or Alpine would make one and have it homologated!
WRC highlights video from Dumas and his Porsche at the Tour de Corse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i7PBXrHw9g
Which idiot decided to put pointless music over it ?!?!?!??! http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/x..._150628040.jpg