AFAIK there is no electronics currently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack4688`
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AFAIK there is no electronics currently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack4688`
Mechanical limited slip diffs (front/centre/rear) are allowed by regulations now:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
See section 5.2b
http://www.fia.com/file/37755/download?token=qSz1j2jX
Front/central/rear differentials
Only the housings and mechanical limited slip differentials
homologated in the WRC extension may be used (without any
modification).
"Mechanical limited slip differential" means any system which
works purely mechanically, i.e. without the help of a hydraulic or
electric system.
A viscous clutch is not considered to be a mechanical system.
Any differential with electronic management is prohibited. The
number and the type of the plates are free.
From next year, hydraulic control of the centre diff (via electronics of course) will be allowed again.
Good info, cheers :)
Centre dif. is allowed, but they don't use it.
Are F1 type water cooled intercoolers allowed in 2017 regulation?
No, what i'm saying is it makes the car more predictable. Rather than driving the road you're driving the car if that makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
now no center diffs at all in WRC cars (same with R5).
active center diffs is huge difference, big advantage over non diff at all or mechanical center diff.
mechanical centers were used/tested in beginning of S2000 cars, but finally everyone decided not to use them at all.
subaru or mitsubishi with well set active center diff is much more easy to drive (and way more faster) than same car with mechanical center diff.
the intention is not to stop r5 drivers from going to wrc cars, the intention is to stop rich 18 year old kids from buying a wrc car and hurting themself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munkvy
the question is of course if this is actually necessary. latvala, mikkelsen and ostberg all started very quick in wrc cars, payed by their family's money.
I may not have explained well enough, an active centre diff in my experience rallying has so many variables depending on surface, and what you are doing with the pedals, whereas a mechanical is more predictable, as it drives essentially the same when sideways each time, and can then be adjusted with the pedals.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
I think for someone learning to drive fast and understand the cars dynamics, electronics while definitely faster, will dull your understanding of how the car is acting and therefore potentially give you a false sense of what you are doing to the car, in comparison to what the electronics are doing?
Definitely agree though that active will be quicker, just not necessarily a good thing for someone who is learning to drive a rally car.
But have in mind they drove those machines from age as 12 years old boys and not had some new commitment from nothing at age of 20.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Like Kalle Rovanperä who´s already have driven 4WD for maybe 8 yrs and only 16.
Al-Attiyah in talks for fourth Volkswagen WRC seat
http://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/a...c-seat-734737/
http://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/a...c-seat-734737/
Qatari rally driver Nasser Al-Attiyah has revealed he is in talks for a seat at Volkswagen's WRC outfit for the last six rounds of the 2016 season.
Although he has been racing in WRC events since 2004, Al-Attiyah only drove a World Rally Car for the 2012 and 2013 seasons, taking a best finish of fourth in Rally Portugal.
He then went on to win both the 2014 and 2015 editions of WRC2, amassing seven wins in the process.
The multiple Dakar Rally winner and two-time WRC2 champion told Motorsport.com that will not return to the series this year as he concentrates on preparing for the men's skeet competition in the 2016 Summer Olympics.
After competing at Rio, he wants to compete in WRC with Volkswagen in the main class, getting the seat through Qatar Holding, which has 17 percent share in the VW Group.
"I’ve spoken to Volkswagen, regarding a drive in the Polo R WRC car under their management," revealed Al-Attiyah to Motorsport.com.
"I want to race with its second team, which includes Andreas Mikkelsen. If I get the approval, I’ll start competing from Rally Germany and will do six rounds, until the end of the season.
"And if I don’t get the green light, then, I won’t be interested in competing in WRC2, as I’ll keep the budget that I have for next year," he added.
The 45-year-old said, should the deal not happen, he will continue racing in Middle East Rally Championship, where he won the season opener on home soil, and cross-country events.
"I’ll continue competing in cross-country rallies this year, in addition to the Middle East Rally Championship," he said.
Additional reporting by Khodr Rawi
Double post.
triple post actually, i posted it last page last post, lol
Would be cool to see.
I guess it comes down to what Nasser (or whoever) is paying, versus the increase in resources for VW at a busy time of the season. And whether they think it's worth it.
Where is this 4th VW coming from?
Well, testing machine i guess?
Qatar owns 17% of VW shares.
There's your reason. Otherwise there'd be no way VW would even think about putting Nasser in one of their cars.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Wonder if it'll come true
A car for 6 WRC rounds is insignificant compared to 4 Billion Euro loss
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/vw-scandal-...y-loss-1521498
Some type of crowd funding or investment challenge is on for Emil Bergkvist. Saying he needs to drive this year in WRC2 and all possibilities for a seat in WRC in 2017. But still short of funding for full rest of season 2016. Have a look yourself at
https://www.facebook.com/EMIL-Bergkv...4805148554356/
Nasser is also contracted to Red Bull so it'll be a sponsorship alignment as well as the whole percentage of VW with Qatar
I agree with Wilson that it's daft not to use the current generation cars. I also don't see how it screws over R5 at all - given the cars run in a different class and are aimed at different people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Surely it's just common sense to allow current WRCars into the 2017 top class? I'm sure there is a solution so that they can remain relatively competitive.
I don't know if it's the filming, places or what but to me this seems like nearly a complete waste, you have nearly no chance of seeing the improved performance. Maybe they need to do something with the sound, the Polo doesn't give me the buzz in these testing video's anyway.
if current wrc doesn't give You the buzz, 2017 won't do it either. Even supercars in rallyx aren't exciting enough.
All they needed to do was make them louder and more sideways.
I just suggests that those in charge aren't sure what they are doing - and they haven't thought everything out. But, I suppose we've come to expect that from them.
They don't know how to put right onboard camera angle to attract the audience so how to expect more?! But it could be good if more drivers start to win next year...Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
You can't make them louder. Please don't forget that rallying uses normal public roads in the nature, in villages etc. For that reason there are noise regulations which have to be followed. We are not the only people or animals around the stages and it doesn't help anything to behave like an arrogant noisy louts who care only about their sport and not giving a f.u.c.k. about anything and anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Regarding driving sideways. They actually did the exact apposite which is hard to understand when current cars are near pefect in this matter. I would personally further reduced the aero package but I'm not the one who decides...
Hayden Paddon's campaign for bringing back NZ in the WRC continues.
He published this video starring a lot of important people of NZ motorsport and politics (including prime minister).
https://www.facebook.com/haydenpaddo...2404596461996/
VW know nothing
Joost says three cars only
Nasser is dreaming
https://translate.googleusercontent....S63MvgUGEYvz6A
Or they simply don't want to admit anything until it's signed.
With him waiting to be allowed to exit the company, maybe Jost is being left out of the loop...Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
Why is it so difficult to allow 2016 spec WRC cars to run with 2017 WRC cars in the same category?
Do the FIA officials not like to see well funded private teams in WRC cars beating (running ahead of) works supported WRC2 R5 etc cars with young drivers. Does it make it difficult for the limited camera crews to travel from stage to stage covering the first ten cars etc?
Could always run WRC2017, WRC2 then a gap to the WRC16 private cars for live coverage to keep sponsors happy etc.? (or restrict the 16 cars to run at the same speed as R5)
who would be stupid enough to spend his money to run a private old generation WRC where the only competition would be other stupid people in the same car?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeakiwi
I somehow learned not to search for common logic in FIA decision. The fact is that it hurts no-one to keep them allowed because they are clearly slower and not more than several gentleman drivers would use them anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeakiwi
That seriously stupid question. Anyone whoQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
a) already has a WRC car and doesn't want to spend half a million Euro for another one which is useful only for WRC events
b) anyone who drives just for fun and doesn't want to spend hundreds of thousands Euro for renting a car which he can't fully use anyway
c) anyone who drives just one rally and doesn't want to use a car which he doesn't know at all
etc.
The point is why not to allow those stupid people to do that?
a.A person who spent half a million for such a car will sell it and get a new WRC or if he can't an R5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
b.He will drive village events for fun not a WRC round
c.If he wants to run one rally get an R5
FIA won't allow them because they will be obsolete... and stupid people who want to run an obsolete car just for fun should not be allowed outside or they can do that in village events. The WRC is for the top only.
That's enough for me. Have a good day.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
Gotta admire the kid..He is on a roll and bursting with enthusiasm..
(and fortunately not yet beeen in the mitts of the bane of the world "Media Types" who "create for him a (boring, monotone) Media personal style").....
We have to suggest to him somehow to do the Python skit in reverse in the future for Ogier's enlightenment...It would be historical--and hysterical..