Domestically in Finland yes, but they are looking for some team to run the international program like Toksport from what I understand
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Domestically in Finland yes, but they are looking for some team to run the international program like Toksport from what I understand
Hyundai looking to sign Ogier ?
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Would be interesting to see Ogier share a team with Neuville. I mean, they can tell Lappi to let Neuville past, but wonder if they have the balls to tell the same to an 8 time world champion. this is probably one of the key aspects in the so called contract if there even exists one. just speculating still, but that would be good for team bad for Neuville :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
But does Ogier want to go for full season? If yes, I'd be surprised Toyota wouldn't give him a full time car. If not, then clearly Hyundai values the manufacturer title more than the drivers title, as Ogier will hardly slow down for Neuville but can't compete for the championship either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyest
Remains to be seen if Ogier fits in with the Hyundai. The only time he drove a car that was difficult to drive and set up was the C3 and we know what happened...
If you believe the rumours of the conflict between Ogier and Kalle during Safari, Toyota don't want him anymore....
They've had enough.
That conflict would be Ogier wanted team orders but Toyota didn't?Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
Or Kalle eating last croissant that Ogier wanted?Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
Ogier (part time programme) created a bad environment that Kalle (championship contender) would dare to keep challenging for the win.
Oh don't stop here now, we want details heheQuote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
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Ogier to Hyundai and Tänak to Toyota :P
Kalle and Ott at Toyota would be great for the championship. Should be great battle.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
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If both driving Hyundai Neuville will not accept if Ogier wants to win & he is 2nd.
Maybe Hyundai is fed up with Neuville?
They give him chanse for 10 years. They build him a car he wanted and he never become champion.
Neuville wanted an unreliable car? Doubt it. Not even Tanak was able to fight for the championship with Hyundai, mostly because of unreliability. I'm surprised any of you believe Hyundai is angry at any of their drivers when they know their car isn't up there with Toyota.Quote:
Originally Posted by Managarium
Moreover, even if they're fed up, signing Ogier part-time changes nothing, apart from a better shot at the manufacturer title. Only a full time Ogier would be a contender.
Nice ideas, imagine Hyundai has full time Neuville, Lappi and Ogier starting with good road positions in gravel +some asphalt events and some other driver sharing his car as a third driver for some events (Sweden, Finland, may-be Poland, maybe something more). And you have Kalle, Elfyn and Taka.. In my view, that would give team title to Hyundai, not easily, but on paper its would be their title to loose.
In 20 and 21 Hyundai wasn't unreliable. 22 was something else for sure, but still not that bad.
22 was not that bad? Infinite amount of gremlins for both Neuville and Tanak in the first half of the season. They got better in the second half, but too little too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth
20 and 21 Hyundai was still definitely more unreliable than Toyota, especially with those suspensions easily collapsing.
so no Ott in Toyota then :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
Asking the important questions here: Are Finish-Japanese teams allowed to serve croissants?Quote:
Originally Posted by bandit12
Or take it in an opposite way...they (Toyota) needs someone as good as Ott for next season, if they dont dont want to loose title :P I know nothing about next season, I am on vocation right now (actually I was just preparing for Greece) ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
For my lack of pro knowledge, What's the jokers mean for Rally car, Any more official explain?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
How can team use jokers to improve the cars
The rumors I’ve heard are..
Ott to Toyota
Elfyn to M-Sport (but this was before his two wins this season)
Seb to Hyundai
Here you go https://www.wrcwings.tech/2023/08/16...n-9-questions/Quote:
Originally Posted by 1988senna
Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brynmor Pierce
Ogier to Hyundai would be the catalyst. Toyota would then fear the competition and move to strengthen with Tanak. Evans would be the likely casualty and move to M-Sport
No way ,,Evans to M-Sport'' talks after 3 first rallies of the season.. :D (+ M-Sport fully concentrated on Tanak)Quote:
Originally Posted by Brynmor Pierce
Mate, if Bryn has heard it, I would believe there is something in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
Seb to Hyundai is really interesting.
I was thinking the same couple of months back but now it seems Elfyn has finally found something with the car and can’t see him leaving and I can’t see why Toyota wouldn’t offer him a new contact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brynmor Pierce
Doesn’t still rule Tänak out at Toyota especially if Ogier leaves
Is the result of Monte-Carlo and Kenya make Kella unhappy with Ogier? Maybe Kella feel Ogier should let him pass for more points. Maybe Ogier feel not as comfortable as usual in Toyota in the first half season , So that he start to chase much more money with Hyundai
here's a thought, no rumor or prediction just thinking what a fun 2024 would be:
Toyota: Rovanpera, Tanak, Evans + Katsuta (4th car)
Hyundai: Ogier, Neuville, Lappi + Suninen (4th car)
Leaves Ford on survival mode again but I think it would be a mega fight.
I’m so praying for this. Would be epicQuote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
Then there would be three drivers fighting for the title (Ogier, Tänak & Rovanperä), three other for the wins & podiums (Evans, Neuville & Lappi) and some other Rally1 drivers also. Surely Katsuta & Suninen, maybe Lindholm, Fourmaux, Loubet, Solberg, Greensmith some rounds at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
M-Sport had their chance during this year and failed badly, so better to have Tänak driving Toyota again.
i really cannot believe tanak and rovanpera in the same team.
Does Ogier want to come back full-time again ? He seemed pretty sure after he stopped that he would just do his favourite events.
I am not so sure anymore, as he wanted to do Finland this year...if we believe official statements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Well, since Toyota is very proud and loud about their No team order policy i can see that happening, also Manu championship wise Evans Tänak Rovanperä would be one hell of a teamQuote:
Originally Posted by wyler
yeah, but that clashes with the ogier vs rovanpera argument discussed before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyest
i think the no order policy is possible when the driver are not really level, even for the slightest...
If he was that keen to return to doing the full season he could've arranged it with Toyota. After all he was leading the Championship earlier this season despite doing less events than anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcevc
If Ogier were to drive a full season he would have to be prepared to start the fridays on a poor start position in gravel rallies.
He did that for 10 years and complained about it loudly everytime. :D
I don't think wants that anymore.
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Originally Posted by wyler
Is the clash make Kella and the whole team unhappy for Ogier? I think Kenya is the key point right,Maybe Toyota
feel Ogier should let Kella pass by .But Ogier want to prove he is still the king that can't beat by anyone
Toyota team has many times pointed out how they are against any team orders. Still I also believe the team would have liked if Ogier would have given the win to Kalle, who is a championship contender.
If both would be driving for the championship, then the better driver will win.
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