it's just below 6k for upgrade kit, plus some labour of course. Also you can buy separate parts of the kit and update step by step, etc.
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it's just below 6k for upgrade kit, plus some labour of course. Also you can buy separate parts of the kit and update step by step, etc.
Bartek, what's your view on the 30mm restrictor and higher minimum weight coming next year?
No exact idea, I don't have that much experience with those Rally4 cars, weight won't be that big issue, I think restrictor will be worse for 208 than for Fiesta, but we need to wait and see...
According to Chris Ingram Renault Clio Rally4 should be ready in 2021:
"It will be great to support Toksport to improve the Clio ready for the upgrade to full Rally4 spec for 2021"
https://www.fiaerc.com/friends-reuni...ngram-returns/
Not only according to Ingram - https://www.fiaerc.com/top-team-toks...w-clio-rally5/Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
In a discusion in the Rally3 thread the topic is changes in the rally4 regulations from 2021.
what will the changes be?
Basically, Rally4 cars will have a 30mm restrictor and 1080kg (currently 1030kg up to 1067cc and 1080 over).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Test Charles Münster Opel Corsa Rally4https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...3267ccab0f.jpg
Enviado desde mi MI 8 Lite mediante Tapatalk
Bryan Bouffier and Emmanuel Guigou developing Renault Clio Rally4
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpCw-9qW...jpg&name=small
Pic of Alain Camoin
Both drivers are best on asphalt, what team are developing the gravel kit?
Bouffier is good enough on gravel I think, Guigou did few french gravel championships as well. They should be good enough imo :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
DMG Motorsport of Derek McGarrity bought and now sells a lot of Ford Fiesta Rally4 from Italian Junior championship.
https://rallycarsforsale.net/ads/m-s...ew-model-cars/
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Originally Posted by YerayEcoBoost
A performance comparison between the Corsa and the 208 would be nice :D
By the way, latest news from Peugeot-Sport: 145 orders up to date(accross Europe in december)for the 208 Rally 4 and there will be 80 deliveries at the end of the year ;)
I think there will be also several 208 Rally 4 in south american championship next year :confused:
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Originally Posted by Rally Power
Thanks, you answered my today question about south America :)
They were too fast to race... against Rally3?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
These changes were discussed here on the forum a lot during last two months. There isn't any big drop of power expected because the engines were unable to fully use a 33 mm restrictor anyway. It will likely slow down the Peugeot a little bit more than the Fiesta because its larger engine was probably gaining somewhat more from the larger restrictor.
To be precise, there was no restrictor at all until now
Could that be the main reason why Ola Jr Nore was so close to the Rally4 cars in his Rally5 Clio?Quote:
Originally Posted by br21
If some Rally5 cars were close to Rally4’s they will be even closer with 2021 rules, as Rally5 won’t get a restrictor and will keep the same weight scale: 1030kg up to 927cc, 1080kg over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Rally4 cars won’t certainly be so fast as they were last year and besides the restrictor the Fiesta will also carry more 50kg (1080kg is the new weight limit for every Rally4).
Btw, on Rally3 there will be no weight or restrictor size difference, despite allowing cars from 927cc up to 1620cc (1210kg and 30mm for all); with no 1.6L engines available on the 208 and Clio ranges, it remains to be seen if Peugeot and Renault will enter Rally3.
First of all we don't know if Rally5 will be close to Rally4. 4+ minutes difference in Canarias isn't exactly close and that was in largely wet conditions. It's likely that on dry the difference would be bigger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Second thing is that while Rally4 would slightly slow down the difference will be probably very small in the end. Moreveor with the ongoing development it's likely that the Rally4 would again pull away due to the simple fact that they have more room for further development within the homologation.
Last but not least if I am not mistaken Peugeot and Renault both work on Rally3 cars.
Time will tell, but Peugeot and Renault interest on Rally3 wasn’t confirmed. Renault is developing the Clio Rally4 and PSA Motorsport seems pretty busy making Peugeot and Opel Rally4 models for their customers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Could be some manus changed focus when engine size jumped to 1620ccm for the Rally3. Not so easy to take a R4, put in a 4wd system and you have a R3.
And if that was Toyota that got the size change adopted by FIA, then hopefully they will push to get it out to the people!
Little news from Gazoo Finland these days.
Toyota has NO 1.6T road cars (only Yaris WRC has 1.6T)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Road Yaris GR-4 has 1.5T 3-zylinder
Trust me Gazoo Finland is working a lot but Gazoo Japan decide which is public and which is not.
I find it hard to believe that they are going to downgrade the GR Yaris to make a R3 car. Probably something else.
Rally3 is not R3.
Same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Would be bad PR to downgrade GR-4
Regarding the Clio Rally5, I've done a small ride in one. The car is FAST. Seemed a lot faster than the old Fiesta R2T we are driving with (first Turbo version, not latest). Certainly in the first 3 gears. The car has a lot of torque in a wide rev range.
Suspension seems a bit hard, it's made for French asphalt and can't be changed (fixed dampers, only 1 type of springs).
I think it's about 1s/km slower than the Rally4 on tarmac.
More news once we actually done a rally with it :)
Renault was certainly working on the plans for a Rally3 this summer.
I personally expect that Rally4 will have greater advantage over Rally5 on gravel due to more sophisticated suspension and likely better durability.
Anton, does the Rally5 have LSD? I remember the R1s didn't have it.
https://toyotagazooracing.com/gr/yaris/specs/Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
The GR ‘4’ uses a 1.618cc engine (the 1.5L is on the 2WD GR); that’s why it’s easy to believe that Rally3 limit (1.620cc) was established with the Yaris engine in mind.
That would be great, but so far the only news that came out (confirmed by Renault) were about the Clio Rally4. https://www.diariomotor.com/competic...o-rally4-2021/Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
There was a grainy picture of the car in FB. Has a really big air intake on the engine cover!Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
It is the Rally4.
That
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Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
I think that it is vice versa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
The Rally3 FIA 1620 ccm limit was most likely set to keep cohesion with R5/Rally2/R4/Rally2 Kit/R3T rules set before. Those were set years ago to allow Renault using their 1618 ccm engine in Clio R3T. It is possible that Toyota calculated with the R5/Rally2 limit when they developed the GR4 just like some other teams did with their R5 engines (M-Sport, Škoda).
That could be the case. On the other hand, Rally3 was initially planned to use Rally4 engines (up to 1333cc) and the cc limit raise was apparently asked by some of the manus (including Toyota), not by all; at the time it was said that the restrictor size would vary according to the engines capacity, in order to balance the cars performance, but eventually it’s the same for all (just like the 1210kg weight). It’s hard to see how current rules can provide a fair competition for those having smaller engines, still let’s hope PSA and Renault can find a way to join and boost Rally3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Yes, it has LSDQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I know it hasn't been made public yet, but I know they were at least studying it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Video by PapaJulien: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHTRoNaHiSYQuote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Clio Rally4 expected to be homologated in March. Tech details and a small testing video here: https://www.rallye-sport.fr/la-renau...t-en-speciale/