No night stages and seemingly no Myherin, not happy!!
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No night stages and seemingly no Myherin, not happy!!
Which TV station? I'm aware of usually 2 live stages from ERC but never seen anything live from WRC for yeras.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
BT Sport in the UK.
Gutted that the night stages have been dropped, seemingly solely to appease the new powers that be. There was a great atmosphere on Gwydyr where I and (coincidentally) Mintexmemory were last year. Plus, hopefully it's just that article that omits Myherin, but I won't hold my breath...
I think the organisers of WRC events need to stand up to the Promoters, and tell them they are getting it wrong. Night stages are part of Rallying. Making RallyGB an even more compact event is a mistake.
What about the rest of the world? How can a rally fan get (legal) access to BT Sport on free TV lets say in Brazil, Mexico or Russia? This is what teams complain about, they get nothing in return for investment in WRC. "Promoter" dictates conditions to organizers just to broadcast Power Stage in local TV as if it was local/national rally. They have no clue about promoting WRC and FIA can even organize rally on the Moon on Mars, it doesn't make any difference to the public access world wide to live TV or proper/legal streaming. ERC, F1, WTCC to name just few are from different ligue comparing to WRC, on freeview TV it doesn't exist, .Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
Where about in the world are you from? I'm amazed that there's anywhere where the ERC and WTCC are considered to be on the same level as F1! I can only speak for the UK, but here the ERC and WTCC are far more obscure then even the WRC, which itself is nowadays widely unknown... Eurosport is a fairly niche channel in the UK, even when Andy Priaulx was winning the WTCC title numerous times it was completely ignored by the UK media and public. Even as a hardcore motorsport fan I consider the WTCC to be cheap filler programming for Eurosport. And maybe British Eurosport doesn't feature as much of the ERC as the European version, but I've seen very little ERC coverage on there this year, whereas in the IRC days would couldn't miss the coverage if you watched Eurosport on an IRC weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfun
But this is all rather off topic...
I think Eurosport have done Live from only about 3 events so far this year. It's been incredibly low profile.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
Shame.. best bits gone (the night stages), worst kept (Chirk spectator stage).. :(
Looks a lot like an old BRC Vauxhall Rally of Wales.... But a full WRC event??? Er, not really....
Sadly, the organisers hands are tied by the Promoters.
So only 1 pass at Chirk - what's the point. A really wimpy Sunday morning with a whiff of 'limited spectator access'. The last 2 stages on Saturday are effectively night stages but this is not getting my juices flowing at all!
I would sway its a 'futuristic' route, it gives a glimpse of what direction Jost and VW want. Especially the sunday format.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
already last year's Sunday route was a farce. timing was so tight and rushed to finish everything by midday. I don't get the point of this
anyway it seems to be a decent change for the route but nothing too exciting. now lets wait and see if they manage to add a few more spectator access points than usual
So, basically, VW/ Capito have bent the FiA/ RedBull over a barrel. Or they'll leave...?? What a way to run the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
He's probably a fool to have announced their continuation in the sport so early then. The Shootout was proposed last year, and was knocked back by the FIA. That could still happen again once members of the World Council get hold if it.....Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
from the interviews with team principals during Sardinia it is almost certain that the system will be adopted in some sort of format next year. it seems to be closer than we think, sadlyQuote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
Colin Clark @voiceofrally · 14 ώρεςQuote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Here's a question for you. WRC in 2016 with final stage shoot out? Or WRC in 2016 with no VW. I know which one I'd choose.
I know which i'd choose too.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
The best comment I saw on this, I think it was on Twitter, was along the lines of "WRC with a final stage shootout is like Le Mans with a 23 hour 55 minute quali session and a 1 lap race".
very easy choice for me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by turves
imho the sport defintely needs changes,but NOT this one.
Vw if they f@cked up,they will leave.For sure will be easy to spend 100 millions for advertisment.
But i, and worldwide fans, will be here to watch a f@cked up sport for decades.
At previous decades there were some factories with same budget as todays vw.
These factories teams (toyota,lancia,citroen)didn t have requests like these.Change the sport or i leave.
gtfo now vw.
I'm not sure if everybody here realises that the concept isn't as bad as everyone thinks. It's NOT like 'P1 and P2 before the last stage are equal and the winner wins the rally.'
The advantage of the leader will be reduced to the sec/km's he was faster during the rally. For example: Ogier has a lead over Latvala by 20 seconds before the last stage (after 200 km's of driving for example). His lead for the last stage (which will be 20 km's let's say) will be reduced to (20/200*20)=2 seconds.
It's still quite a shitty system and I doubt it will make things more simple for casual viewers (I'm sure it won't), but at least it's not as bad as we all feared initially.
But go back to Rally GB 2003, last stage. If I remember correctly, Colin was in front of Tommi going in to that stage, they were certainly very close, and Colin got a puncture and had to change it. As it was, I think he dropped just the one position to Tommi, with the new system we would probably be outside the top 10. That has an affect then on Championship points which isnt a fair reflection on the whole performance of the rally. As Dimvii says, the sport needs to change, but there are better options, surely.Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
Before the last stage, every driver can only win or lose 1 position. The leader will at least finish 2nd, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by turves
It makes it even more complicated to a complete stranger and a real nightmare if you're on the stages without internet connection.Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
If the WRC ran Le Mans it would now be over 4 hours on the Bugatti circuit.......Quote:
Originally Posted by turves
Couldn't agree more. Also with the Le Mans comparison. I much rather have a WRC without VW than... like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
But that could, potentially, decide a championship (1997 for example, Tommi and Colin (again) finished the championship with 1 point difference). (hoping one day Championships will be that close again...!)Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
ROUTE ITINERARY for 2014
Thursday 13 November:
18:30 Ceremonial Start: Eirias Park, Colwyn Bay
Overnight Deeside Service Park
Friday 14 November:
07:44 SS1: Gartheiniog 1 (same route as 2013)
08:14 SS2: Dyfi 1 (same route as 2013)
09:26 SS3: Hafren Sweet Lamb 1 (similar to 2012)
09:59 SS4: Maesnant 1 (new stage using parts of 2013 Hafren stage)
11:23 Remote service: Newtown
13:07 SS5: Gartheiniog 2
13:37 SS6: Dyfi 2
14:49 SS7: Hafren Sweet Lamb 2
15:22 SS8: Maesnant 2
18:35 Service: Deeside Service Park
Overnight Deeside Service Park
Saturday 15 November:
07:48 SS9: Clocaenog East 1 (revised route and reversed from 2013)
08:05 SS10: Clocaenog Main 1 (new stage)
09:13 SS11: Aberhirnant 1 (revised route and reverse direction of 2013 Penllyn stage)
10:09 SS12: Dyfnant 1 (reverse direction of 2013)
11:59 SS13: Chirk Castle (same as 2013)
13:32 Service: Deeside Service Park
15:05 SS14: Clocaenog East 2
15:22 SS15: Clocaenog Main 2
16:30 SS16: Aberhirnant 2
17:26 SS17: Dyfnant 2
20:11 Service: Deeside Service Park
Overnight Deeside Service Park
Sunday 16 November:
08:35 SS18: Brenig 1 (new stage)
09:02 SS19: Alwen 1 (new stage using tracks last used on the 1993 Network Q RAC Rally)
09:57 SS20: Kinmel Park 1 (similar to 2013)
10:05 SS21: Kinmel Park 2
10:55 SS22: Alwen 2
12:00 SS23: Brenig 2 (Power Stage)
13:20 Ceremonial Finish: Mostyn Street, Llandudno
Any news on where Shakedown will be held? I'm hoping Llandegla again. Looks like an even better route than last year, with the exception off the loss of Myherin.
Brenig is not a new stage just not been used for a long time. Has a fantastic straight alongside a reservoir that will offer silhouette against sunrise on the first run and sparkling light at mid day - assuming it's not foggy or persisting down!Quote:
Originally Posted by Doon
Edit: My mistake now I have looked at the detailed route. The stage called Brenig in 2014 is indeed 'new'. The stage called Alwen was previously Brenig on an old Lombard RAC edition
Highlights of the 2014 Wales Rally GB route include:
23 competitive stages culminating in a spectacular new Power Stage at Brenig
World class action in the legendary Welsh forests
Improved family-friendly RallyFests at Chirk Castle and Kinmel Park
FREE access to Deeside Service Park
FREE access to the Ceremonial Start at Eirias Park Stadium in Colwyn Bay featuring pre-event autograph session
FREE access to the Ceremonial Finish on Mostyn Street in Llandudno
Route MAP http://www.walesrallygb.com/document..._-__9-6-14.pdf
Itinerary http://www.walesrallygb.com/document...-_09-06-14.pdf
Really hope that shakedown starts at a time nearer to midday as that will be mean less accomodation cost. Can't see why not as there is no competition on Thursday.
It will be the usual 8-10am for the top guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
WRGB always has something that isn't 'usual'. Last year s/d was 0700-0900
As teams don't have to prepare the cars for night running,with not even a SSS on the Thursday night, a midday start would be sensible. No position selection presentation this year means some other way of having the drivers present at service when the casual fans turn up would be good PR
Yes, but you know that every event now has to be the same. Generic WRC events is what RedBull want..... not what the WRC should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
In which case where is the Thursday evening SSS? That would have been the ideal use for Kinmel.. Seems like we are getting the worst of all options.
Program for National Rally is out now:
2014 WALES RALLY GB - NATIONAL RALLY
Friday 14 November:
09:44 SS1: Gartheiniog 1 (9.06 miles)
10:14 SS2: Dyfi 1 (13.61 miles)
11:26 SS3: Hafren Sweet Lamb 1 (14.60 miles)
11:59 SS4: Maesnant (8.57 miles)
15:02 Service: Deeside Service Park
Overnight Deeside Service Park
Saturday 15 November:
10:03 SS9: Clocaenog East (5.22 miles)
10:20 SS10: Clocaenog Main (8.70 miles)
11:28 SS11: Aberhirnant (9.63 miles)
12:24 SS12: Dyfnant (12.74 miles)
14:14 SS13: Chirk Castle (1.28 miles)
15:17 Service: Deeside Service Park
Overnight Deeside Service Park
Sunday 16 November:
12:03 SS20: Kinmel Park 1 (1.37 miles)
12:11 SS21: Kinmel Park 2 (1.37 miles)
13:01 SS22: Alwen (4.97 miles)
13:44 SS23: Brenig (6.52 miles)
15:04 Ceremonial Finish: Mostyn Street, Llandudno
I quite agree - but the organisers/ MSA are paranoid about not doing what the FiA/Promoters want - in case the event loses WRC status. Other organisers have more 'balls' - particularly ACM, who don't care about the FiA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
Came to see if it was just me who couldn't find Shakedown info but obviously not.
Hoping it's Llandegla again but I agree a couple of hours later would be good. Was a lot of milling around last year after such an early start.
Bit gutted as this was going to be the year we went to Myherin. Ah well.
I was only checking last night, I thought they'd confirmed it but realised I'd found last year's page for Llandegla... I didn't do Shakedown last year but fancy doing it this time around, though preferably as Mintex says at a reasonable hour, as I don't want to have to book accommodation up there for Wednesday night just for an early shakedown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Too bloody right - It's safer finding the way through the woods in daylight too! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
A rally that considers what fans want? But that would be completely against the ethos of the sport these days!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory