I really hope that this VERY radical approach works
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I really hope that this VERY radical approach works
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Originally Posted by Mirek
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
R2 certainly can't. You need 280hp to attract viewers.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Can somebody inform me why they need so much time to revamp the championship?and one more question because i don't have knowledge of things in the island.exept for the BRC what other options have the drives?i mean for this year and for the next one.please be specific in the answers because as i told i am irrelevant to things in the island.thanks in advance!
I don't follow the national series so much (except some high profile events such as Epynt) but I would say that there is enough crews competing in national series including lots of very expensive cars. Just check entry list of this years Epynt (part of national asphalt series): http://results.djames.org.uk/results...ntID=298&e=298
I imagine a good number of them will find their way to the BRTDA series: www.btrdarally.com Those who are junior drivers looking to take a step up the ladder who can afford it will probably move over to the JWRC or the DMACK Fiesta Trophy.Quote:
Originally Posted by nafpaktos
The BRC is way past its best now so the continuation of the series really doesn't matter now.
There's the BTRDA championship and MSA Asphalt Championship. Both generally have better and more interesting entries than the BRC. Plus entry fees are cheaper, you don't have to spend as much money to be competitive in your class and you have much freer reign on what car you can drive. It's more interesting for spectators too.Quote:
Originally Posted by nafpaktos
As Langdale says the BRC is past it, the MSA would be better off just putting their support behind the BTRDA and throwing in some of the tarmac events.
Any news about BRC 2015(program, rules, drivers programs,...) :confused:
For juniors should be the best (and cheapest) to go to JERC...Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
There will be no BRC in 2015.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
My feeling is that it will return in 2016 with R5/S2000 cars as the premier class.
Is there a need for a BRC?? Most competitors are quite happy with 45 mile BTRDA events, all done in 1 day. BRC events are rather expensive - and coverage is pretty poor.
The days of the British Open, and the F2 era have long gone.
BRC was a useless farce... they thought by banning the 4wd cars a few years ago cars they would make the championship more competitive but that basically excluded all the rich boys that wanted to run expensive toys so the championship had no interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by nafpaktos
Apart from the british rally championship we have the BTRDA championship(s), they have both tarmac championship and gravel (something like the joke gravel/tarmac cups in Greece but since this is a country which is inhabited by humans it is actually pretty fun) which attracted all the WRCs/N4s and the heavily modified escorts (some worth around 200.000 pounds). From a driving point of view the BTRDA is just an assortment of overweight old people with money but some of them actually are good to watch.
In general rallying in the UK from a driving point of view is very very low compared to countries like France/Czech republic even italy, but they use some amazing cars and they have quite a lot events to spectate which gather around 100-120 drivers so it is not that bad...
http://www.btrda.com/index.php this is the webpage for BTRDA, go to championships and then go to asphalt and forest rallies to see the rounds.
I gave up on the BRC a few years ago, when it went 2WD.
Compared to what it was like in the 'good old days' of the 80's & 90's it went from bad, to worse, to pathetic.
I've watched the Irish Tarmac Champ and the MSA Asphalt Champ instead, which have at least had some decent WRC machinery.
If the BRC doesnt have at least R5 cars in future it might as well not bother.
I think the only way it can go is to try and be the best domestic championship, otherwise who (in terms of fans) would bother showing any interest?
It's all well and good claiming that the move to 2WD and national distance events worked but nobody was interested in watching R3 and R2 cars quietly making their way through the forests. The old management often cited Elfyn Evans as proof of the format's success but that's ONE guy out of, what, 2 years? 3 years? Not enough to prove it was the format of the championship or just the fact that Malcolm Wilson thought he was good enough to get a WRC seat this year.
The BRC should never have been about being a feeder into JWRC, which is really all it was claiming to be up to this year. If the MSA have more sense than Rally UK did they'll try and get the domestic importers involved like in Italy, Germany, France, Czech Republic etc etc and have good quality events like the Manx, R.A.C. (I can only dream) & Rally GB.
So if no BRC this season where the Citroën Racing Trophy UK/Irl will take place :confused:
It's not certain to go ahead this year but I read in Motorsports News a while ago that they are trying to put something together for this year. I may be wrong but perhaps they want to run it as part of the BTRDA series, can't quite remember now.
Thanks ;)
I'm not sure the domestic importers are interested. The BTCC is the biggest Motorsport series in the UK, and it is privateers; I'm almost certain there is no official Manufacturer involvement. What the BTCC had is massive coverage from TV, and gives fans, teams & drivers what they want = a succesful series. BSB, and British GT are also in decent health. The BRC is the opposite, and has been for years; mainly because nobody knows what to do with it. I'm not confident the MSA will do any better; rallying isn't their strong point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack4688`
The massive resurgence of Wales Rally GB in 2013 & 2014 shows the fans are still out there and what they will come out to watch. There has to be some top level, exciting cars in the BRC - thats what puts people out in the forests...
Its noise and spectacle people want and that means R5 cars.
Where's the link between noise and R5? There was only one "noisy" R5 car in Wales Rally GB and it was the DS3 R5 of Lefebvre... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Yes, all R5 cars except DS3 and 208 are very quiet. Clio R3 or Civic R3 are much louder.
Let a few R-GT cars in as well. Now they are crowd pleasers.
R-GTs on the Isle of Man would be a sight to behold!
Noise AND spectacle ... they need both in the BRC and none of the 2wd cars have any sense of spectacle, even the louder ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
But boring to look at..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I know but You spoke about noise...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Motorsport News @MNRally 1m1 minute ago
BREAKING: The top class of the MSA British Rally Championship will be four-wheel-drive when the series returns in 2016
So R5 cars will be allowed + 'strong' 2wd class structure
More details published here
https://www.msauk.org/IMS-confirms-4...y-Championship
Finally the BRC is back on the right road !
It would be great to see some different R5's fighting for the title in the UK.. lets hope there's plenty of entries and make the rallies worth watching again.
Some drivers from Europe and Scandinavia would be fantastic - I'm sure they'd love to drive our classic forest stages...
Lets hope the top class doesn't just become a gentleman driver class and the serious competitors compete in the 2WD classes until jumping ship to ERC-3 or JWRC
Well R5 was the only way it could really go, even if it might become a bit of a Fiesta fest.
Hopefully Rally Dorset (Formally Rallye Sunseeker) will be included in the calendar. The south really needs more rallying!
In 2016 we could see R5 Cars available from Ford, Citroen, Peugeot, Skoda, and the usual Evo's and Subaru's,S2000 Cars, R3 Cars, R2 Cars, R1 Cars, Homologated cars 5 year extensions.
So a better range of cars, which will hopefully attract a wide range of Competitors of all ages and experience,. If the format is good enough we should attract more competitors from overseas.
Hopefully this will encourage some manufactures to also consider a return , time will tell.
We await the details of Events that will make up the Championship, but changes must be made to which events are included . Clean sheet of Paper for all.
Looking at 2016 BRC But a lot remains to be sorted, we await more details with interest.
also the Mitsubishi R5 which was at rally day be good to see that out
Just been confirmed that the 2016 British Rally Championship will feature an RGT class. Great news !
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDNCyUiWEAAYeqj.jpg
Great idea, the kind of move that will help the series grow again.
A sensible move - cars which are crowd pleasers. However, how many will we see?
Lets hope the BRC becomes a championship worthy of the name. One day 50-60 mile events are not what the BRC should be about.
I was looking at some of the top UK motorsport series; BTCC, British GT, BSB, British Hillclimb, etc and they all seem to be held over the whole weekend; ie 2 day events. The BRC should hopefully be looking at the same.
just steve perez be interesting to see a 911 on gravelQuote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Would be amazed to see as many as 5...however suspect that there will be two or three that are well up for.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Looks like it hasn't been mentioned specifically, but in the 23rd April issue of Autosport magazine (UK) they refer to a leaked document that revealed plans for 2016 BRC to have 7 rounds, the calender "filled with events running to a higher profile than last season" (not hard). As above it confirms the RGTs and says that a National Rally Championship, open to "all cars", will run alongside the BRC. Does anyone know if this document is available on the web?
Regarding the RGTs, my hope for the category at least in the short term is that Richard Tuthill can churn out as many 911s as possible. Essentially it could be like a rally version of the Carrera Cup. He's been able to turn out and run a load of cars on the Safari Classic.. Bbviously dealing with the 997 is a different situation, but I'd be interested to know how many cars he'll be able to get out there. Hopefully as many as possible!
Got to agree with AndyRAC too, more than anything personally I hope that these are proper rallies. Surely at least aiming for similar distance/format to ERC rallies is a must if this Championship is going to be respected again? 50-60 mile events are an embarrassment at what should be the pinnacle of UK rallying. I'd like them to aim for 250km, but surely a minimum of 200km is realistic? It'd be inline with the ERC anyway.
Find them some venues where that kind of stage mileage is achievable, then they might be able to consider it. I think that the admin involved would make it too tricky to get a decent list of events at that distance.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper