At those speeds you can stand 100m from te stage and still be in danger.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiil
But there are indeed a lot of very stupid people in this world, looking at some videos.
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At those speeds you can stand 100m from te stage and still be in danger.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiil
But there are indeed a lot of very stupid people in this world, looking at some videos.
Video WRC Ypres Rally 2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0aTBPzEnTk&t=1s
Flaaatttt ouuuuttt https://youtu.be/Nh8JEP0xZwU
Agree. Also combination faster cars and tarmac rallies with tricky conditions, like Ypres. Just luck from many fatalities when Katsuta crashed.Quote:
Originally Posted by rp
Gravel and snow is way safer in general, not to count the idiots always in wrong places...
On tarmac you have full grip and when you lose the control you have zero grip. The car often even starts flying in the air, which means the speed is reduced less compared to sliding on gravel. This is apparent even from tarmac crashes with small FWD cars, let alone WRC monsters. Meanwhile on gravel you are usually already rotating/sliding the car when entering a corner, so it results in a roll which drains the movement energy and the car cannot change direction so quickly. Especially these fast tarmac rallies with bumpy surface are scary, both for the drivers and spectators. It's not so scary when the roads are slower (Corsica) or smoother (Catalunya).
For me the current WRC cars changed the character of the Ypres Rally somewhat. They seemed too fast with the extra power and aero compared to previous cars I've ever watched on the event. They looked just brutal and like they were bludgeoning the roads into submission.
Completely agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
And that's why i think the discussion about spectators is useless. I think there is no safe place for spectators in Ypres. A car coming off road at 160/170km/h can go 100 or 200 mts inside the files is there is no phisical obstacle.
Quite lucky there was no tree-stump or rock there! (to break radiator). He could have even rolled down.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
It also happened just 2 corners before Ogiers puncture...and right infront of the WRC camera, yet we didn't get to see it.
During Barum 2012 there was a fatal accident where a spectator was hit by a car rolling 140 meters. It was "stupid" gr.N Impreza...Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
The photo does not correspond with the all live footage (which corresponded with the tweet you posted earlier). Either the speedgun was wrongly calibrated or the wrc plus footage was wrongly calibrated (don't know what is the source of the data there but it's not GPS for sure).Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Had an amazing event. First time (and probably last time) seeing these extreme cars on my home event, packed with action. Great shakedowns and good action on all 3 competition days. The WRC cars were stunning to see. I've seen these cars plenty of times, also in Croatia earlier this year. But seeing them on roads I know so well helped me to put in perspective how crazy they are. I think both crashes of Fourmaux and especially Katsuta could be some kind of warning, that these cars are probably beyond the limit for tarmac. The line between being in a position where you can see some action, and being in danger, is thinner than ever before. Fortunately there seemed to be less spectators than usual in Ypres. Rally2-category was a bit boring to see after the WRC cars, probably due to the big difference in the cars themselves, and perhaps a bit due to slightly weaker entry field (with all respect to those who participated). Nearly all foreign RC2-drivers were discovering the event, so there's not much more they could do. Also, sadly my prediction of at least 3 of the 5 WRC2-drivers going off became reality. The junior category was, very entertaining to see, despite a solid win from Armstrong who seemed to be more confident than anyone else.
A few photos:
https://scontent.fbru4-1.fna.fbcdn.n...91&oe=61418898
https://scontent.fbru4-1.fna.fbcdn.n...de&oe=614065C5
https://scontent.fbru4-1.fna.fbcdn.n...09&oe=61408920
https://scontent.fbru4-1.fna.fbcdn.n...d3&oe=6142F1F6
https://scontent.fbru4-1.fna.fbcdn.n...71&oe=61439869
A few more: https://www.facebook.com/media/set?v...99647850047047
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Thats why I posted the photo
We have yo take with a pint of salt these info about top speeds
@Tom amazing photos mate!
guys watch the flying wheel how close to camera man was
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8-JGhXV...jpg&name=large
You see there is a full car in front of the wheel haha? ;) Just kidding.
Onboard (WRC+) of Hyundais on Franchorchamps 2 is not corresponding with that photo or all live either!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Official speed guns like used by the police have to be calibrated very regularly to be truly accurate.
And even the speed guns of the police have a rather big margin of error.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Only gps speeds should really be trusted.
Martijn Wydaeghe said in a podcast after the rally, that the topspeeds on WRC+ are not reliable. He says that in reality, they go near the 200km/h.
Police radars are usually under +/- 3 km/h (at least here). That's not a big margin of error and it's not worse than GPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
GPS speed is not accurate. GPS has large latency, limited position accuracy and very bad accuracy in vertical (i.e. when the road leads uphill or downhill it can not correctly count the real distance you drove during the signal period). It's accurate basically only when the speed is high and constant over a certain period of time. For dynamic driving where you accelerate and brake and nothing in between it is useless. It is also useless when you drive really slow. Basically the faster you move the lower GPS error (because it comes from the position accuracy which is usually around +/- 6 meters). When you walk GPS gives total bullshit speed numbers which is normal. With rising speed that bullshit gets more reasonable.
The most accurate measurement of speed is via optical or radar sensors mounted on the car itself (those tubes pointed on the ground you see during testing). The stationary radars are second best, if well calibrated (there are more precise ones than those used by police as well).
I’ve always suspected that was the case, 185/190kph just seemed a bit slow for what I was watching.Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
Didn’t someone use a gun on Monte in 2017 and record something like 212kph? I’m sure as has been explained there is some error in that, but I doubt it’s 20/25kph error
I wonder if the displayed speeds on WRC+ are deliberately low so as not to advertise just how fast they really are going? I would imagine the new cars should have more top speed with more power and less aero drag…
I've understood the 2.0L WRC cars constantly did over 200 km/h speeds but since the 1.6L cars the gear ratios have been shorter, leaving top speeds lower.
I don't know why WRC+ would like about the top speeds. If something, they would probably make the top speeds appear faster than they actually are!
I know about the problems with gps, but when we are talking about max speeds that means at the limiter on a long straight for some time. In those conditions gps is nearly perfect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
The problem with radar is that it has to calibrated at the exact spot in the exact conditions to work perfect. Only fixed radars wil be surely within those 3km/h. Manually placed tripods and especially handheld devices like in the video have even smaller accuracy, even when calibrated often.
My pictures: https://rallyandraces.smugmug.com/Rally/Ieper-1/
Very good gallery because it has pictures of "different cars" also, not only those same WRC and top WRC2/3 entries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gio
Fantastic photos, makes me realize how much I'm gonna miss seeing these machines, especially the i20 WRC Coupe, the best looking from the bunch (imho) in this short era. Thanks for sharing them with us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gio
Another Rally, where Tänak showed, that he cant be competitive behind the wheel of Hyundai. Strange, that first stage there seemed to be a hope of good speed, but after he just diffused away, like every rally, he just looses his speed or there will be a technical failure. Think it is a karma he left Toyota. Hyundai, just isnt a car for personal titel.
Hope, 2021 Hyundai will more like to Tänak, because we know, Tänak is a very good developer
In my opinion it wasn't too bad. After day 1, he was the best of the rest behind Neuville and Breen, who both had previous experience from this rally. Apart from Breen, everybody else lost over 30s to Neuville after day 1 and Tänak was "leading" the pack. Also he won PS so speed was there just not the experience. It was a very specific rally where previous knowledge seemed to play an important role.
the guy hasnt followed this season at all it seems to me based on that post....
Tanak was just very unlucky with his flat tyre and his jack malfunctioning. He had nothing left to fight for after that
He was the fastest driver on sunday, when nobody had any experience.