Yes, Lappi has wasted too many points by crashing. I still believe that if Kopeckż did the whole championship he would take the title instead simply because he is able to finish every round on the podium.
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Yes, Lappi has wasted too many points by crashing. I still believe that if Kopeckż did the whole championship he would take the title instead simply because he is able to finish every round on the podium.
Yes he could have been a serious contender for sure.
At the end I put my money on Nasser, which is a bit sad because it shows the level of the field but ok, let's be positive, crashes happen, especially if you are 23/24 years old and AlAttiyah is a good driver himself.
Before the start of the WRC2 season I was really excited by the field, but in the end guys like Al-Attiyah, Protasov and Al-Kuwari (read: guys with $€€€€$$) end up on top. I guess it's down to their opportunity to go to places like Argentina and Australia, combined with an RRC car.
Personally I was hoping guys like Breen, Grondal (what happened to him!?), Parn, Lefebvre, Camilli, etc. would be capable of better results.
In rounds where they both competed against each other Al-Attiyah has 47 points against 45 for Lappi.
So Nasser has done his part so far in that sense. Okay having the ability to target the long-haul events like Australia/Mexico etc will help with points - but you still have to finish. Lappi has scored the bulk of his points against stronger opposition but that is the nature of WRC2.
It will still be interesting to watch. I just wish they would hurry up and release the entry list for Spain.
I think Lappi“s ratio speed : crashes is good enough for 24year old. In fact he didn“t crash during this year. In Sardegna he fixed it and in Germany it was just parking at wrong place without damage :D I am quite happy, because his head is improving day by day. ...And Al Attiyah is good enough, wealthy and most of all CLEVER guy. So as Roman Kresta says very often : "It is like that. That“s life" :)
It's now clear that all three Škoda drivers do Catalunya as part of WRC2. Nasser as well.
sorry I didn't get the point and I don't know the wrc2's rules deeply, skoda could enter 3 cars but two of them are for works team (kopecky + lappi) and tiedeman would run only making points for himself? thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by liposh
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Al-Attiyah would be a worthy champion too but i agree with others that WRC2 didn't quite turn out as good as the entry list looked at the beginning of the year. Maybe it would be better if not all rounds of WRC were WRC2 rounds, in order to concentrate the entry lists.
I think Lappi and Tidemand in Skoda main team scoring WRC2 and Kopecky in Skoda 2 team?
Solans with Gigi Galli style at hairpin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jylh...ature=youtu.be
Say what you want, but I think my knowledge of Finnish rally seen is a bit better than yours...Quote:
Originally Posted by jacko
Kubica PS onboard (low quality):
https://www.facebook.com/kubicaonboa...type=2&theater
If we are only going to rally in densely populated places that are easy to get to, all the rounds of the WRC should be held in NL or Belgium from now on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
The thing is, the roads and backdrop in corsica are loveley, and MC is not exactly an easy place to get to. Last year when I went to the stages from Northern italy I had to dodge collapsed road sides, flash floods on the narrow winding roads and there were long queues of cars. It was still lovely though but not exactly easy to get to.
I think corsica provides an unique challenge and the WRC is short of those :(
Ok I vote Belgiė then rather than Nederland.... better beer, fritjes, Vlaamse is easier than that damn Randstad Hollandse, it's the land of my forefathers and if you take the time to look past the sometimes too many sweaters, more variety of friendly wimminz...Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
And how easy is it to get to Torsby i Varmland in middle of winter?
It's pure wilderness. They don't even speak Swedish there.:uhoh:
Excuses, excuses – they’re always complaining about something that is different. Service parks, hotels, islands, night stages, wind, rain, mud etcQuote:
Originally Posted by itix
Just what do they want? WorldRX??
If they want large crowds near large populations then most events have to go/ move. If they want important car markets then Finland/ Sweden, etc get dropped.
Yeah and god forbid that happened. Both the WRC becoming RX and the two nations where rallying in it's modern format more or less was born being dropped. I also think this is excuses and BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Nah, they speak Värmländska, which is charming as F :)Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
And Torsby is piss easy, we have the E45 running right next to it. The various stages are a bit more difficult, but only a bit. MC is much worse in my opinion!
like this photo
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/mont...1444207275.jpg
Great! I didn't see the fire hydrant at first, but when I did it made my day! Thanks dimviii!Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
A video of that tight hairpin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e99B...ature=youtu.be
So,,, any picture about ??
Had a good event,, Long stages were tough, both to note and drive, shame about the horrendous weather Thursday night
unbelievable that there are so many drivers that can t take this hairpin....Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
Definitely not a hairpin where you want to fail and then roll backwards... Yikes.
my gallery from Corse
http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1398
Its an EXTREMLY difficult hairpin.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
- Its VERY narrow.
- Its steeply upwards, making it very difficult to judge the speed, because You need enough surplus of speed (energy) to get the back to come around when You pull the handbrake, but not so much speed that You over shoot.
- Its a big elevation change in the hairpin, at the apex.
- Its very high risk. Cock it up, You won't only loose time, but rolling backwards of that cliff edge will not be a fun experience.
So I have no problem understanding that several drivers have problems in this turn.
The important thing for these drivers, is to realize it, and go back home and practice it.
To practice this kind of hairpin, You can put cones up in an industrial area. A lot of places where there are wearhouses/storage buildings, where You have a truck ramp, there is often elevation changes that could replicate some of the difficulties in this turn, without the danger of rolling off a cliff edge if You dont succeed :)
Ogier: Dont make it all the way around, and uses the outside wall to crash the car in the right direction. This is actually probably one of the fastest ways to do the turn, and the only option when You miss in the entry as Ogier does, but off course with a very high risk.
Latvala is super smooth, and shows stunning car control. Both Ford guys are also very good trough this hairpin.
The Hyundai drivers uses the inner edge as a place to put the front wheel, so they can have the back end pivoting around it. Interesting, but risky in regards of punctures and suspension failures.
Extremly interesting corner that one could sit hours an analyze. But its friday evening, and my better half dont completely agree that thats the most romantic thing to do?!
Its was a bugger of a hairpin,, and at 14k into the stage, rear tyres well up to temp,,, I when the handbrake route :)
Lundefaret, if You are interested there was very similar place on Barum rally this year. It was completely new and made a lot of problems to drivers. Many had to reverse and one even broke wheel. It's in this video, for example at 9:00 You can see Kopeckż who took it probably fastest of all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=454&v=BWsrrF1SaIs
Funny thing is that there was a lot of criticism about the place from some drivers. Anyway the most common reply was something along "if drivers can't do such places it means there shall be more of them so that they can learn..."
Very similar, and VERY difficult. Its actually not easier in the dry either, bevause You need a lot of speed (energy) to have enough momentum to get the back all the way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
But I completely agree, the more there is of different technical obstacles, high speed or low speed, the better it is for the competition. And this is where the good ones really shine.
Precise dissection as always.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
Here is another Tour de Corse example of a downhill hairpin - similar story, even funnier - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aZmX6eSdQJ8
Yes, and if You where in an R2 its even more difficult than in a 4WD, because You can't use the power on the rear wheel to keep braking loose the rear wheels, so You have to have more momentum in the hand brake turn to get it all the way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by MK2 BDG
I practice a lot of these things in my test veichle (Polaris RZR 800 XP4), and in our 4 seater rally car (MINI Countryman Cooper S All4), and I am not sure how well i would fare in that Corsican one, with the cliff on the outside. Its scares the living crap out of me!
Sometimes its better to be the coach than the driver :)
I did the Monte Carlo Historique in 2007 as a codriver (Austin-Healey 3000, and we actually went on to win our class), and doing the night stages including the Col de Turini, with those huge drops, its just crazy scary. You know that You have time to write a whole letter on the way down before You crash to the ground.
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Originally Posted by danon
Thanks!
Group B-s in hairpins - on tarmac, its like trying to fly acrobatics with a Lockheed Blackbird, its not ment to do it :)
Some different tactics here.
- The Metro guys most successful are the Metro guys who just drives it trough, helped by the smallest turning circle of the Group B-cars I think.
- Some of the other guys try to use an excess of speed to get the front down, and brake the rear loose, ready to put the power down if that would work. The problem is that at that exact moment You need the front to grip the most, to get the rear to get loose, the elevation change is at its most extreme, instead leading to the fronts loosing grip, and then understeer.
VERY difficult, in cars where a hand brake turn was impossible because of the diffs.
In 2003 or 2004 I got to test the Citroėn Xsara WRC at Chatous de Lastours, (I try to mention this as often as possible because I think its so unbelievably cool, and I am so eternally grateful, that I still have to pinch my self), and there it was a tight hairpin. I had previously only done one single rally (in a small Opel Corsa GSI), but A LOT of fast road cars, and a Norwegian rally driver tipped me to just drive trough hairpins like that, because You really need to get things right to not loose time if You try a handbrake turn. The Xsara was just incredible to drive, just incredible, and so benign. You just needed to think what You wanted the car to do, You didn't even need to turn the steering wheel - at least thats how it felt. It was 21 rallybrivers, test drivers, and journalists from across Europe that got to test the car. I ended up second fastest, and a lot of that was to not screwing up in that hairpin.
So why is a hairpin so incredibly important? Well, opposite to what most believe, it is actually easier to both gain and loose time in slow corners. As You slow down, the stop watch speeds up. A career taken flat out in fifth or sixth, even if its long, will last for maybe under a second, or just a couple of seconds. A hairpin can last for five or six seconds, and more. And a mistake will often end up with You standing still, driving longer than You have to, or even having to back up, all the way while the car is traveling at an extremely slow speed, where every metre takes A LOT of time. And on top of that comes the alignment and the acceleration on the exit.
To gain or loose one second in one KM in the fast stuff, is a lot. But You can easily loose five seconds on a bad hairpin.
So it You dont have it "down" fully to do hand brake turns and the like, and if its possible, just drive trough it. And when You practice, practice with as low entry speed as possible, but still having enough speed (energy) to get the car to swing around its axis. This is the least risky way of doing it. And by risk, I mean risk of loosing time, both in the turn it self, but also in acceleration at the exit.
Here is the track i tested the Xsara: http://www.loisirs.fr/circuit-terre-...urs/photo.html And on a rally stage close by, I got to be passenger with Sebastien Loeb, the king him self, and it was just an incredible day I dont think I will ever forget. And I am still incredibly thankful to Marie-Pierre Rossi and Vigdis Dahsleide who where the two strong women that made the whole thing happen :)
My pleasure!
That's what I call SERIOUS and informative comments.
I've got the feeling as if you write my mind after watching a video.
It's always pleasure to read you, Lundefaret.
PSA non-homologated parts episode XX...
All JWRC cars had non-homologated water pumps in Tour de Corse. Citroėn Racing was fined by 30 thousand Euro and every JWRC crew received 60 minutes penalty.
Just searching for that info,, Nothing i can find official as yet Mirek ??
More info you can find here (copies of decisions): http://forum.autosport.cz/viewtopic....p=79502#p79502Quote:
Originally Posted by MK2 BDG
Unbelievable..
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The way i read that Petr, is the time penalty is only placed on car 60 ?
No, it is put to all five JWRC crews which finished. I put there only one decision as the other four decisions are completely same, only with different number of crews)...Quote:
Originally Posted by MK2 BDG
Where is that copy from as there's nothing on the event website?
EDIT: Oh, they're on RACC site.
So the WRC3 battle is also open again then..
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