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which one of your legends did he ridicule and made him run away ??Quote:
Originally Posted by jparker
Why Mcrae and Sainz and duval and sordo and Ogier did not manag what Loeb did with the citroen ?? Loeb came into the team when Mcrae was 34.... Loeb won titles until 38...
dogs of nothingness roaming the garbage cans have nothing on the greatest ever...
Yes of course I know what he did in Liepaja. And the week before he became Swedish RallySprint Champion in 2WD in an old Astra National Class car.Quote:
Originally Posted by vino_93
Let go of your sweettalk of legends thar where..Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Lets help each other try to talk about young talents as someone mentioned above.
Emil was doing great job in Liepaja, same like other northern drivers like Rokland, Sirmacis or Adielsson. It was really nice fight. But this was on snow and big studs. We will see how it will be on different surfaces - gravel and mainly tarmac.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
I guess tarmac was main surfacein Germany when he became Adam Cup champion.
For sure. But level of competition in JERC is quite higher than in Adam Cup...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
This is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
This is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by jparker
What NOT does not explain or acknowledge is how Loeb transitioned from talented young driver (of which there are very many) to be 'man enough to make full use of the support'. And this is exactly what I was explaining in an earlier post.
Some of you have misconstrued comments regarding Loeb's early career, which were not about his Citroen days (WRC & S1600) but about his privateer pre Citroen career, which was not at all spectacular.
Loeb though stood out among his compatriots at a time when his wealthy and influential ASR, in collaboration with the government owned manufacturer, were looking to atone for there having been no French champion for 10 years and only one in the history of the sport. This despite this manufacturer having invested larger than any other.
From the minute Loeb was adopted by Frequelin, his career was set. From that moment on he was able to drive the car to the best of his ability without concern for the costs or fear of the consequence of failure.
It is not difficult to understand the advantages, in learning and confidence building, that support provides over other competitors who are required to consider budget limitations, amongst other expectations and which will undoubtedly influence the way they drive the rally car.
Fast forward to Ogier's beginnings. In a period in which it is variously rumoured that only a handful of drivers (perhaps 2 or 3) are paid, or have any tenure of contract, and in which everybody pays personally or by limited sponsorship arrangements, it is equally not difficult to understand the advantages a few enjoy today.
you still did not answer who had a better early career than Loeb...
Young Finnish talents first time driving 4X cars tomorrow. Finland rally championship in Mikkeli
Teemu Suninen Skoda s2000(toni gardemaisters car)
Henri Haapamäki Subaru Impreza WRX Sti
Fastest driver expected Juha Salo and new 208 T16 first time in rally
SS1 LIVE lint. Start time 20.2.2015 17.00 CET https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxAimEdIZrM
I was pointing to the possibiltiy of Emil having done some tarmac rallying before (Adam cup). Not to talk about his gravel experience, which is very good. (Doing Volvo original cup in Sweden)Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Even without competition, if that´s the case, you still earn a lot of experience.