Paddon development testing the i20 in Spain yesterday. It's a good job somebody is !
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Paddon development testing the i20 in Spain yesterday. It's a good job somebody is !
https://x.com/llluis555/status/1818382228549955718
Abiteboul confirms more development for the i20 Rally2 but production will be discontinued at the end of the year...
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/whats...is-rally2-car/
skoda looks to be doing so well selling R5s. toyota looks to be at the start of doing the same thing. it looks lucrative, idk why hyundai would stop doing that, but ehh, i dont have all the real details on that. no ideia what the next cycle will be, this class is just ideal
As you say, so many Rally2 cars have and are still being sold. I dont know how any new Regs could be much different to allow new cars to compete with all the current cars and vice versa.
Regarding Hyundai, it could be the finances were/are being concentrated on the Rally1 car.
I would add to the roll cage a third lateral beam running horizontally between bases of A and B pillars, in parallel with the X. It would help a bit. This is already being done by some small workshops when preparing (under the former group A/N regulations) bodyshells of models from the 80s, 90s, and 00s. These chassis are not as robust as the cars nowadays, and it has been proven at the field that makes a big difference. Some guys call them "tree-pullers" for that instance. Although, I am not sure if this is a mod that could be applied to already built Rally-2 cars (I would have to investigate on the thermal hardening / tempering / welding "brittlening" effect - sorry, I am not anymore up to date with the metallurgical specs / characteristics / workmanship processes of Rally 2 roll cages - my time is limited :mark: ). For new built cars this could help a bit (not a lot) in my humble preliminary opinion (detailed structural FEM calculations would be needed).Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
This sounds quite a good idea to better protect the side of the car but I suppose the big issue would be it making access into and out of the car more difficult.
So instead of adding to the roll cage, couldn't the beam be welded onto the door itself and the whole door frame be strengthened ?
interesting! thats the kind of "new set of rules" R5s need. some safety upgrade.
after reading cyril interview i started to wonder if they were jumping out from this class because there would be a total shifting in everything, but yea, as eddie said, theres way too many R5s already out there and new skodas, msports and toyotas being selled right now. theres c3s, polos and i20 still being bought and sold among racers and teams. cyril was probably making excuses to not say "hyundai is just not interested in rallying anymore"
I would not put the beam in the door itself, but I would definitely reinforce the door frame adding as much energy dissipative material as possible, waiting for a lateral crash to happen......This is a crash structure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
saw some 2013-2014 wrc footage with those top class cars. they look veeeery similar to current R5s, eh? in terms of speed and driving, are them similar as it looks? tho they (wrc top class in 14') were waaaay more "loose" - on the visual aspect - while current modern R5s looks super tight, almost glued to the surface.
That is sad news. Just 6 months ago they introuced their i20 N Rally2 European Challenge and now they leave?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
https://motorsport.hyundai.com/new-i...ean-challenge/
2014 WRC cars... that's 10 years ago. There's been a lot of technological development since then in suspension and aero, even in the R5/RALLY2 cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by saco0o
yes, true. but what I tried to say (and failed) was that those cars looked cooler than modern R5s because they looked way more loose on the tracks. personal taste, probably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I agree and have said before that the 2011-2016 WRCars were still great to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by saco0o
Despite the next 2017-2021 cars having all the 'looks' with the extra aero, this actually made them too pressed to the ground and less dramatic (though faster).
Hyundai targets making the i20 Rally2 a top tarmac car in 2025 using several jokers:
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/hyund...-a-tarmac-car/
Might get to see a few in Ireland - if they get it right!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Josh Moffett might go back for one after his swap to the C3 Rally2 hasn't worked out well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Boyd
i think france e espana have decent tarmac championships, so maybe theres a good market oportunity there too. lots of citroens, they are getting more competition of that happens.
Mikkelsen and Camili tarmac testing the Hyundai i20 Rally2
https://youtu.be/ZuGdE4TBCfU?si=lLBTO_P0IIaa1zIL
Skoda Fabia Rally2 number 600 goes to Mapo Motorsport!
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid...21620046679088
600 cars!!!!!! man, fia CANNOT screw the next rules for this class.
they need to focus ONLY on: "current R5s and the next gen need to be able to compete together" - because this transition period, until theres another thousand of the next gen cars competing around europe. Then they can rule R5s out.
I read Suninen was testing Yaris R2.
Makes sense if Pajari is moving to more Rally1 drives they need experienced driver for development/showcase of the car.
meeke can win the portuguese title this weekend... but he cannot win the title because only portuguese drivers can become national champion .............??? haha weird
remember sean johnston? he was doing some wrc2 events last year! its a good character that would be really fun to have in erc!
He didn't win, but seems happy. So is he now a Portuguese champion or not?Quote:
Originally Posted by saco0o
https://www.facebook.com/krismeeke/p...NtUWf36oCmQjPl
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1241299020420969
So Paddon wins a consecutive ERC in the Hyundai Rally2 and Meeke the Portuguese title. These cars clearly still have the speed in the right hands.
Maybe these two guys should share their development set-ups with the Hyundai customers and get them in contention against the other cars in the Class...
On the subject of older Rally2 cars, the M-Sport Fiesta is showing it's not dead yet.
Jon Armstrong was winning stages on the recent ERC Rally Silesia and was 2nd overall. Also Keith Cronin won the 2024 Irish Tarmac RC and is in contention to win the BRC, as well as William Creighton in another Fiesta.
You would think the newer Fabia RS and Yaris GR would be unbeatable but the older cars are still holding their own in the right hands, conditions and surface. This rally car formula has to be the best ever created.
Why would anyone in their right mind share all info they worked on during those years? Also, what works for one driver doesn't necessarily work for another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
If they're not in the same Championship then why not ? Plus I'm sure Hyundai would give them some payment for the info if it helps their customer programme with a more competitive i20.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Agreed - for my own personal preference/enjoyment, it's a shame to see MSport throw all their money in the Rally1 hole instead of focusing on properly developing and running a Rally2 programme a la Skoda; with a pro driver they're plenty competitive in that class. The Skoda and Yaris may be ahead, but the C3, i20 and Fiesta are all perfectly competent with the right drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
And if you add 400+ Fabia R5 they have sold over 1000 RC2 cars, and that is quite impressive!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
I thought R5 were yet counted in the Rc2 class...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
They are, but not as Rally2.Quote:
Originally Posted by manthey
No no.
600 is R5 + Rally2 evo + RS Rally2
Toyota GR Yaris Rally2Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
My disappointment is that they took so long to make it competitive, launching it in 2019 when undercooked and leaving it until 2023 to get it upgraded.Quote:
Originally Posted by dodge33cymru
I know these were tough times for M-Sport with Covid and the Rally1 Puma to be dealt with, but surely the development of the Fiesta wouldve been worth it in sales.
Both speed and reliability. Gabriele Rizzo, team principal of BRC Racing Team, said that they have never had any technical problem with their Hyundai in ERC:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
"In ERC our team has been absolutely flawless for two consecutive seasons and together with a super-reliable car like the Hyundai i20 N Rally2, we have never had a technical problem while offering excellent performance in every type of condition and against every type of competitor."
https://www.fiaerc.com/a/news/w28822...RC-team-on-top
Abdulaziz Al-Kuwary from Qatar is the new Middle East champion for 2024, ending Nasser's 12 years consecutive championships…
Video from the Latest Race of the season in Cyprus https://youtu.be/4PFktKVdTkY?feature=shared
cyprus looks the thoughest rally for the R5s imo. i remember watching it in ERC 2019 (nasser won), i couldnt stop thining "these cars are all going to break in half" at some stages. i 'dont feel' that in acropolis or safari, only in some cyprus stages.
btw... why is it part of the middle east series?
Meeke. Resurrection:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
https://dirtfish.com/rally/how-portu...pyDrlN3j8DzUQA
heikki kovalainen won his first "event" in a Yaris (R5) - and its also the first after his open heart surgery. awesome!
the guy is rooted in japanese motorsport but it'd be really cool to have him in ERC, like in the swedish round at least
edited to include more info