Well yes, for example, the Toyota Prius hybrid is 20+ years old......
And the WRC is trying to tell us how effective Hybrids are....A bit late for that.
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Well yes, for example, the Toyota Prius hybrid is 20+ years old......
And the WRC is trying to tell us how effective Hybrids are....A bit late for that.
really?Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
"Following the sport’s ‘Rally with Purpose’ strategy, all the top cars starting the Croatia Rally (21 - 24 April) are powered by highly efficient hybrid technology,"
"We are fully committed to a sustainable future of our sport,” affirmed WRC Promoter managing director Jona Siebel. “Hybrid technology for the Rally1 cars and renewable fuel are major steps for the 2022 season."
“The Croatia Rally’s initiative to significantly reduce the event’s carbon footprint and reach a three-star rating with the FIA environmental accreditation programme opens up a new chapter.”
"This gives organisers the tools to significantly reduce emissions, for example, inside the service park or in urban areas the rally cars pass through en route to competitive sections."
https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2022/wrc...inable-future/
I could definitely see some car manufacturer having X billion euros for marketing hybrid cars and 0 euros for marketing ICE cars, and that would be a way to keep the money going into rallying with hybrid cars.
One more: https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2021/wrc...inable-future/Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
Opening line: "New plug-in hybrid-powered Rally1 competition cars, 100 per cent fossil-free fuel, sustainable energy supplies and safer spaceframe chassis are part of the Fédération Internationale de l’Automobile (FIA) and WRC Promoter’s commitment to a greener future."
I'd agree with mknight that nobody is really believing (or cares) that the new hybrid units "save environment" / make the WRC more eco-friendly.
"First electric car is 130+ years old and Formula E is trying to tell us how effective electric vehicles are"Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Nope. The 'done nothing' bit refers to the pre-season promotion of hybrid as a more eco-friendly element which I stand by.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
This! With the logic that the Prius has been around for 25 years and Hybrids are therefore old (useless) technology, we might as well ditch the wheel, because it is old technology.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth
In the end this whole hybrid thing is just to "protect" all the brands in the sport: The series itself, the shareholders, the sponsors, the manufacturers... I honestly dont believe FIA, WRC, RedBull, Tanak, Craig, Colin Clark, DirtFish, Pirelli are that innocent thinking they are "saving the planet" with all this BS. ANd I hope Motorsport fans that are interested in this topic really dig and chat with each other to realize that motorsport is not a REAL "problem"... and its also not the place where the world problems will be solved. Its just Propaganda. I imagine FIA know this but they gotta follow this "Agenda" (haha) in order to keep its credibility in this world...
Like.. "Yes, its a new world, new people, we gotta go this way otherwise the money will not come anymore, period."
IMO not many motorsport fans care about saving the planet either, but they see that motorsport has to follow rules, have the best modern tech available and catch the zeitgeist to be feasible, sustainable, relevant and entertaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
On these topics: I'd almost pay someone to study the private jets leaving Cagliari airport on Sunday evening after Extreme E had finished, or just to tell me for definite that the Sainzs, Loebs and Al-Attiyahs are slumming it on scheduled flights. Somehow I think not.
True. TBH even most of the actvists dont reeeaaaally care about "saving the planet". Its more about narratives and belonging and "saying that you care". You know, those stuff. And the people who are reaaaally trying are heroes and awesome examples, but... for example... That guy collecting plastic from the ocean. He is REALLY trying. Fine, The boat is "bad for the environment" (of course) but he is really trying to clean that mess a little bit. Is it possible? Not really haha its him and his boat vs the world. So, Idk about saving the world... Its all screwed up already. It is getting hotter, the oceans will become more acid, the sea levels are rising and will rise more, politics will get worst and I honestly think we will have a 3rd world war.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Meh... At least we have some racing to watch while waiting for the SUN TO EXPAND AND EAT THE WHOLE PLANET in 2 bi years
All the hype and discussions about the hybrid and now it hardly ever gets a mention during the rallies. The info is on the screen of WRC+ but is totally ignored. The use and deployment of the battery power isn't even spoken of by the teams and drivers.
It was stated as goal before this season that it should be as seemless and simple for the drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
A bit of a missed opportunity imo, some more freedom and a manual "boost button" could maybe lead to more interesting strategies.
But then again the "lack of entertainment" feel right now is mainly due to the Kalle+Toyota dominance vs Hyundai reliability+Solberg mess and MSport business operation.
Well, we can already sum up the season.
Toyota car:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...anzer_IV_1.jpg
Hyundai car:
https://resize-parismatch.lanmedia.f...POP3UlKHnGqC6R
And I can add
M-Sport car when driven by Loeb
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/...ing-rb18-1.jpg
Same car driven by the others
https://cdn-s-www.lalsace.fr/images/...1595592238.jpg
Remember the first year in F1 with Hybrid engines? They used to have more indicators in some graphics.. They even started to show the "% of fuel" in the cars, probably to show how the hybrid was making it more fuel efficient.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
But I dont even remember these things being shown by round 3 or 4 haha. I may be wrong cuz I was not following F1 thaaaat close by the time, but those graphics about the hybrid are gone.
Sometimes on onboards you can see on the driver steeringwheel some graphics about the regeneration of the Hybrids.. It looks interesting, wish they could show us more of that. (F1)
Maybe the teams got all the hybrid deployment maps sorted and there's not a lot to do any more. And the drivers have already adapted and using it is now second-nature. A bit of a shame as it could've been a good area of interest and skill if it was more difficult.
Acropolis Rally 2022 Rally1 Highlights
https://youtu.be/pgars0X8Q3g
One for the nerds, Homologations list was published yesterday and includes updates so far for "Ra1-"
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...ept.2022_0.pdf
In the post Safari podcast of Dirtfish they mentioned that both Toyota and M Sport are on Reiger dampers and that Toyota has people at Reiger to develop the dampers for them (possibly 5/7 post shaker rigs,...) and M Sport doesn't.
I was under the impression that all WRC teams have dampers developed specifically for them together with their supplier. Could it really be that M-Sport is buying of the shelf dampers (or at least internals) from Reiger?
Part of Rally1 ruleset is that dampers are closer to Rally2 than WRC. So for sure, I can see them use shelf dampers.
Since I started with this topic, what dampers is Hyundai running? Anybody knows?
https://www.pmw-magazine.com/feature...al-review.html
An old article, but still interesting stuff about chassis, initial aero development and initial hybrid strategy development.
ZF SachsQuote:
Originally Posted by becher
Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by AMSS
https://www.wrcwings.tech/2023/12/11...outs-and-other
Power steering is mandatory in EV mode from 2024, teams will move to electric power steering maybe?
Also those floor cut outs sound more like additional protection is allowed?
Massive improvements, that will bring thousands of new spectators to the sport..
Let's make new detailed technical regulations, but oh wait.. let's connect them with stupid (reduced) joker system.
I know we said it here a thousand times but honestly for the most part it just seems the FIA are waiting for the WRC to be dead with doing the bare minimum.
Now this is BIG news:
"Rally1 type cars without hybrid unit are accepted"
page 23:
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...ec_2023_v2.pdf
That is indeed news, however there must be an additional weight in the same place as the hybrid unit, weight should be equal or superior to hybrid unit.Quote:
Originally Posted by ictus
Drinks for everyone if a non-hybrid Rally1 actually starts in 2024.
I believe it's more like ,,Wilson's rule''..
So rally1 cars can compete on national rallies.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/rally1-ca...sports-future/
This reminds of the old RRC cars. I'm not sure of the point.. almost the same cost as a WRC1 car but without the performance. Plus won't the existing engine mapping and gearing be designed for existing hybrids?
the "hybrid boost" lasts only a few seconds at once, and only at full throttle aplication, so the cars run more time without it than with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
Plus remember the small time differences on stages when drivers claimed they had no hybrid
Just why? What's the point of all that?
Again and again they spend time and effort on rule changes which are completely pointless and bring nothing for the future of the sport.
It's first and foremost to benefit M Sport, as Willson was lobbying for this, if anyone will actually rent/buy a car from them to run in national championship remains to be seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Could be good choice for drivers that wants to try out Rally1 or for teams that want to try out WRC2 drivers on one event. The question is how much cheaper they will be.
But I can definitely see the costs of renting them for one-off start going down as less infrastructure will be needed on site.