Rally Italia Sardegna 2015

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14th June 2015, 20:05
hype

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

must be the same spot as at 1,40,really nice spot.

On which stage is it?
14th June 2015, 20:07
dimviii

we have to wait JoostSchouten to confirm mate.
14th June 2015, 20:09
Livewireshock

Quote:

Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

I wish we had a few organisers here that would ever even consider that some people someplace MIGHT possibly have SOMETHING to teach 'em... but alas if one ever even hints at things saying "well we've had 30-40 entries average for the last 30 years and they have 130-180 in the same time period.....we have 43% of all people who have entered an event between 2000 and 2014 do 3 events and drop out of the sport....maybe we might be able to learn something from where the National program is solid and sustainable and then examine if and how it could be applied here, maybe?"

Standard answer for 30 years "This isn't Europe, everything is different....it'll never be like it is there"

I guess they're right---since they never bother to even look---or ask....

Good on you..
What's your events you organise?

(I've poked around looking at the Oz rally scene since I've sent some of the things I manufacture down to some guys but I haven't found any central forum for all the country, mostly poked in on Brindabella forum for ACT)

I am just a small cog in the larger wheel. I have worked in the Service Park at Rally Australia and NZ, so I am keen to just know what works, what is desired and how things can be put into practice properly.

For example, many of the tire people hate the remote Tire Fitting Zones. Especially with how they have been laid out and ran. Many mental notes taken for something that is becoming more common in the WRC. Corsica will feature 5 of them.
14th June 2015, 20:19
dimviii

Meeke loosing a junction at ps
https://youtu.be/TPXOXL8AASU

Ogiers father reading the news about his son
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHeu9bmXAAACmDl.jpg
14th June 2015, 21:03
Zeakiwi

Jan Van - " (I've poked around looking at the Oz rally scene since I've sent some of the things I manufacture down to some guys but I haven't found any central forum for all the country, mostly poked in on Brindabella forum for ACT)"
Australian rally drivers have their own website pages or facebook etc. Jack Monkhouse, Molly Taylor etc
NZ has FB/ web pages like the 'NZ Rally Championship', History of NZ Rallying as well as the driver FB pages - Emma Gilmour, Alex Kelsey, Ben Hunt, Holder Brothers, Lance Wiliams, Jason Gill etc.
14th June 2015, 21:16
nafpaktos

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoostSchouten

What a great rally we had! Had to take care of a lot of dust, but it was worth it! ;)

Enjoy the video! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3HfXvjNvK0

http://i59.tinypic.com/fjmcli.jpg

excellent
14th June 2015, 21:43
Mirek

Take it as You will. PSA R5 again not exactly according to the rules. I don't know how to recognize a red pipe on a black&white photo but I think that in this case it's probably just a mess in Peugeot. Anyway Andreucci fined by 5000 Euro for non-homologated part on the car.

http://www.rallyitaliasardegna.com/p...ision_no.7.pdf
14th June 2015, 22:10
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirek

Take it as You will. PSA R5 again not exactly according to the rules. I don't know how to recognize a red pipe on a black&white photo but I think that in this case it's probably just a mess in Peugeot. Anyway Andreucci fined by 5000 Euro for non-homologated part on the car.

http://www.rallyitaliasardegna.com/p...ision_no.7.pdf

the hose fitted on the car was with less thickness=not better that the one MUST have install.
Its typical,but they have to comply with homologation papers.
via this hose will pass the compressed air from turbo to engine(2,5 bar) so we need a strong hose that can cope with the pressure and temperatures.
Plenty of hose manufacturers sell their hoses at various colors.Same hose to different colors.
For sure wasnt something to purpose,but they have to be exactly the same.
14th June 2015, 22:11
bluuford

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirek

Take it as You will. PSA R5 again not exactly according to the rules. I don't know how to recognize a red pipe on a black&white photo but I think that in this case it's probably just a mess in Peugeot. Anyway Andreucci fined by 5000 Euro for non-homologated part on the car.

http://www.rallyitaliasardegna.com/p...ision_no.7.pdf

Chandler rules again... I do not get it that competitor gets fined when manufacturer makes mess..
14th June 2015, 22:46
janvanvurpa

Quote:

Originally Posted by pucky54

He was not following rules in service park. Speeding and threatening spectators as well as crew members!

But he said before the event that it would be a miracle if he won..
And he won..
So it means it was a divine Act of God....A Holy Doughnut

Who here can question a divine act of God?
14th June 2015, 22:48
bowler

The competitor is fined because it is their responsibility to make sure that they use the right parts. The manufacturer is not responsible. If the team had checked and returned the part there would be no issue. In this case the fine is much better than Exclusion, which is what could have happened. The rules are made by FIA, and the competitor has to abide by them, and the Stewards enforce them. Andreucci drove a great rally, and was very lucky to have a result recorded.
14th June 2015, 22:56
Livewireshock

My final Rally Italia Sardegna story. The event is over and I was keen to visit an out of the way pizza place and I am glad that I did. The man on the table beside me struck up a conversation in broken english. He said he was a Skoda S2000 driver. So we chatted about various rally things while he finished his meal and mine was served. He settled his bill and then as he got up to leave with his fiancee, he said, "Do not worry, your meal has already been paid for." I am deeply humbled and thankful for him for that. All he would say for my thanks was "Rally is a community"

Luca Artino, I thank you deeply for this gesture.
14th June 2015, 23:07
denkimi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirek

Take it as You will. PSA R5 again not exactly according to the rules. I don't know how to recognize a red pipe on a black&white photo but I think that in this case it's probably just a mess in Peugeot. Anyway Andreucci fined by 5000 Euro for non-homologated part on the car.

http://www.rallyitaliasardegna.com/p...ision_no.7.pdf

this is exactly why rallying has become so extremely expensive.
14th June 2015, 23:32
bluuford

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowler

The competitor is fined because it is their responsibility to make sure that they use the right parts. The manufacturer is not responsible. If the team had checked and returned the part there would be no issue. In this case the fine is much better than Exclusion, which is what could have happened. The rules are made by FIA, and the competitor has to abide by them, and the Stewards enforce them. Andreucci drove a great rally, and was very lucky to have a result recorded.

This is the point I wanted to highlight. Peugeot should be responsible for what he is selling. It is absolutely against any logic... When I buy smokes from big supermarket and it comes out that supermarket is selling tobacco without tax stickers, then I am not the one who is going to get penalised, it is supermarket. Can you imagine that you buy new Ford from official dealer and while you drive out police stops you and it comes out that you have red lights in front instead of normal lights.. it is clear that the fine and replacement costs will be covered by the official dealer not you.
We take it like it should be like this.. but why? Maybe because it is easier for FIA. But why it should be easy for them? why something should be with such an ill logic?
14th June 2015, 23:47
bluuford

I just discovered a nice fact. The drivers in top 15 were representing 14 different countries. Only country with two drivers was Qatar in 11th and 12th position:-)
I think it is some kind fo record from recent past. Top 10 was 10 different countries:-)
15th June 2015, 00:09
sollitt

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluuford

This is the point I wanted to highlight. Peugeot should be responsible for what he is selling. It is absolutely against any logic... When I buy smokes from big supermarket and it comes out that supermarket is selling tobacco without tax stickers, then I am not the one who is going to get penalised, it is supermarket. Can you imagine that you buy new Ford from official dealer and while you drive out police stops you and it comes out that you have red lights in front instead of normal lights.. it is clear that the fine and replacement costs will be covered by the official dealer not you.
We take it like it should be like this.. but why? Maybe because it is easier for FIA. But why it should be easy for them? why something should be with such an ill logic?

There is no "ill logic" here at all. As the entrant of the car/team, the competitor has the relationship with the organizer and the responsibility to present a compliant car. This car was not compliant so it is automatically determined that the entrant is at fault. All that is left to decide is the level of penalty. In this case it would seem that the stewards allowed some leniency due to the circumstances.
However the stewards do not have any jurisdiction over the parts supplier. One would expect that in the normal course of events the competitor would be claiming the costs back from the parts supplier themselves.
15th June 2015, 00:11
sollitt

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluuford

I just discovered a nice fact. The drivers in top 15 were representing 14 different countries. Only country with two drivers was Qatar in 11th and 12th position:-)
I think it is some kind fo record from recent past. Top 10 was 10 different countries:-)

A true 'world championship'.
15th June 2015, 00:19
JoostSchouten

Quote:

Originally Posted by EightGear

That spot at 0:53 is simply amazing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

must be the same spot as at 1,40,really nice spot.

Thanks! It was really a great spot, with a very hard wind, so the sound is maybe not the best. But still a great area to watch and film.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

we have to wait JoostSchouten to confirm mate.

It was at Grighine Sud on Friday.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nafpaktos

excellent

Thanks!
15th June 2015, 10:57
JAM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sollitt

There is no "ill logic" here at all. As the entrant of the car/team, the competitor has the relationship with the organizer and the responsibility to present a compliant car. This car was not compliant so it is automatically determined that the entrant is at fault. All that is left to decide is the level of penalty. In this case it would seem that the stewards allowed some leniency due to the circumstances.
However the stewards do not have any jurisdiction over the parts supplier. One would expect that in the normal course of events the competitor would be claiming the costs back from the parts supplier themselves.

When you buy a car from a manufacturer, you believe the car is legal and acording the homologation.

Otherwise, when you buy a new car, you must completely dismantle the car and rebuild it to check every component to see if it is according the homologation. When a driver buy a part to a manufacturer, is implicit that the part is according the homologation.

Here FIA must investigate the Peugeot Sport's behaviour.

The only exception is if tha part was not bought from Peugeot or was changed by the team / driver.

It's stupid and impossible to expect that every team check every component sold by the manufacturer. Is obligatoin of the manufacturer assure that what is selling comply the regulations.
15th June 2015, 12:23
Mirek

Nice video, hopefully not a repost: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQa9BTRTV-4
15th June 2015, 13:53
raybak

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAM

When you buy a car from a manufacturer, you believe the car is legal and acording the homologation.

Otherwise, when you buy a new car, you must completely dismantle the car and rebuild it to check every component to see if it is according the homologation. When a driver buy a part to a manufacturer, is implicit that the part is according the homologation.

Here FIA must investigate the Peugeot Sport's behaviour.

The only exception is if tha part was not bought from Peugeot or was changed by the team / driver.

It's stupid and impossible to expect that every team check every component sold by the manufacturer. Is obligatoin of the manufacturer assure that what is selling comply the regulations.

From what I understand the part was changed by the team when they had their cooling issues.

Ray
15th June 2015, 14:08
Mirek

Quote:

Originally Posted by raybak

From what I understand the part was changed by the team when they had their cooling issues.

Ray

No, there is written that Peugeot changed their part supplier and this part came from Peugeot. At least that is written in the document.
15th June 2015, 14:33
JAM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raybak

From what I understand the part was changed by the team when they had their cooling issues.

Ray

Adding to what Mirek wrote

You probably missed this part of the "stewards decision":

"The competitor explained that the parts had come from Peugeot who had in changed his components suplier

It was noted that the parts supplied by Peugeot where not in compliance with the homologated papers prepared by Peugeot"
15th June 2015, 14:50
dimviii

they start trolling Ogier

World Rally Blog ‏@WorldRallyBlog 11 Ιουν
"Best driver did not win in Portugal". True, Loeb is doing WTCC these days. #WRC

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHiflnOUsAAYmZu.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHigsudWEAE2yeu.jpg

lolol
Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally
I still feel sore about this plate of meat! Together with some cheese a coke, coffee, it cost me €50! Bloody bandits!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHil_nzXAAAxCnj.jpg
15th June 2015, 14:56
dimviii

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photo...e_dsc_9342.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photo...e_dsc_9555.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photo...e_dsc_9367.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2015/photo...e_dsc_9353.jpg

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.p...4&fotograf=367
15th June 2015, 16:43
Rallyper

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAM

When you buy a car from a manufacturer, you believe the car is legal and acording the homologation.

Otherwise, when you buy a new car, you must completely dismantle the car and rebuild it to check every component to see if it is according the homologation. When a driver buy a part to a manufacturer, is implicit that the part is according the homologation.

Here FIA must investigate the Peugeot Sport's behaviour.

The only exception is if tha part was not bought from Peugeot or was changed by the team / driver.

It's stupid and impossible to expect that every team check every component sold by the manufacturer. Is obligatoin of the manufacturer assure that what is selling comply the regulations.

For sure the rules for WRC/WRC2/WRC3 are not corresponding to reality. Only thing is when team building a rallycar from kit in their own workshop, maybe.
15th June 2015, 20:16
Livewireshock

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

they start trolling Ogier

World Rally Blog ‏@WorldRallyBlog 11 Ιουν
"Best driver did not win in Portugal". True, Loeb is doing WTCC these days. #WRC

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHiflnOUsAAYmZu.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHigsudWEAE2yeu.jpg

lolol
Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally
I still feel sore about this plate of meat! Together with some cheese a coke, coffee, it cost me €50! Bloody bandits!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHil_nzXAAAxCnj.jpg

That was a playful dog at the end of the Olmedo Stage. It belonged to the ambulance crew I think as I saw one of them take it for a walk.

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15th June 2015, 20:24
Livewireshock

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rallyper

For sure the rules for WRC/WRC2/WRC3 are not corresponding to reality. Only thing is when team building a rallycar from kit in their own workshop, maybe.

The danger is for a manufacturer to scam the system and deliberately produce and supply special go-fast parts for a car. With the driver pleading ignorance about it (although may be part of the scam) and blaming the supplier, thus the onus is on the driver/team to prove the car is legal. It hurts the driver/team more with money or points penalties than to find a big car company with deep pockets who would happily pay the fine if it meant their car was benefiting from the fast parts and getting the promotional benefit from a winning car.

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15th June 2015, 22:02
Rallyper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livewireshock

The danger is for a manufacturer to scam the system and deliberately produce and supply special go-fast parts for a car. With the driver pleading ignorance about it (although may be part of the scam) and blaming the supplier, thus the onus is on the driver/team to prove the car is legal. It hurts the driver/team more with money or points penalties than to find a big car company with deep pockets who would happily pay the fine if it meant their car was benefiting from the fast parts and getting the promotional benefit from a winning car.

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OK. That´s another side of the coin. Didn´t think of that.
16th June 2015, 10:26
tommeke_B

Back home from my 5th visit to Sardinia, had a great event. In terms of stages and itinerary it was probably the best edition so far. Seen shakedown + 14 stages (only WRC cars on 5 stages). A lot of variety in the event, you can not say "this is a typical Sardinia stage" like you can for many other events. Every stage is different and that makes it very interesting for spectating. We've seen jumps, fast sections, hairpins, very steep downhill sections, parts between trees, between rocks.

A few photos from Paddon, the best driver of the rally (in my opinion).

On Montiferru, a bit behind the start we were in the mountains (almost 1000 meters high). Great view and atmosphere there. It was like some "mini-el-condor" on that spot. :)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...55147404_o.jpg

On the limit over a crest on the short Ozieri-stage.
https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...28688576_o.jpg

Jump on shakedown
https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...57767063_o.jpg

Small album on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...2364109&type=3

The full album and some personal review will follow later. ;)
16th June 2015, 11:15
6789

Great shots! looking forward to the review
16th June 2015, 14:49
Mirek

Nice place to compare drivers. I think it's Neuville who looks like nearly crashing into the wall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc0kBdTiyUM
16th June 2015, 16:42
Allyc85

My short video from an amazing Rally Italia Sardegna. I will certainly be returning one day!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbBntBVne4o
16th June 2015, 19:00
Simorally86

Some pics from this Amazing rally! Great action and great atmosphere ;)

http://csrallyphotos.weebly.com/wrc-...-sardegna.html
16th June 2015, 20:55
dimviii

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally
How to capture a moment! Great pic by Massimo Bettiol of the moment it all went wrong for @krismeeke and @paulnagle1
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHonqoKXAAA0T3e.jpg
16th June 2015, 21:53
hype

Wow, that's truly a once in your life photo :-)
16th June 2015, 22:01
N.O.T

Quote:

Originally Posted by hype

Wow, that's truly a once in your life photo :-)

not if you are a proper professional and not a generic landscape dog.
16th June 2015, 23:18
hype

I mean being there in exact that moment...
17th June 2015, 08:39
MartijnS

Edited the rest of my photos yesterday evening!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...52253994_o.jpg

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...88776310_o.jpg

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...01627992_o.jpg

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...36526362_o.jpg

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...58285774_o.jpg

More at our Facebook page mentioned below, tonight at our website!
17th June 2015, 15:01
dimviii

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkIC...ure=youtu.be&a

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