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Aren't fines current nowadays in the wrc? when was the last time that a manu driver was 'properly' penalized for tech infrigements? But you're totally right on the privateers discrimination, althought for some of them these values would probably mean a huge blow on their budgets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
P.S.: huge congrats to Sordo/del Barrio, Huttunen/Lukka and Hyundai.
I'm with Mirek on this one. There's tolerances and they were below MINIMUM weight.
I can understand in both ways and problably Sordo did not gain any real advantage because of it but in the same time these are the RULES. And rules should've applied to anyone.
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I'm actually shocked there's been no time penalty or even disqualification.
Could it be that It was subframe that got a crack or something on Tänak's car on Friday causing the "suspension problem" and they wanted to check if something was done to it?Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
Ah - OK.. must have misinterpreted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I’m still pretty certain he didn’t get disqualified from the rally because of the threat of them pulling out of the championship.
It is perfectly possible to also give time penalties and not just disqualification or fine (= nothing).
Lukyanuk go 1 min penalty for similar thing last year in Roma Capitale.
Off course it's a political decision not to "anger" Hyundai, and we know that Tommi is not really a guy to complain too much. Ogier might...
Imo the "wise" middle ground would have been to give him 1 min penalty and drop him to 3rd, moving Ogier and Toyota 1 spot. That way Hyundai would still lead manu champ but by less points.
It's scandalous that Hyundai's don't get at least a time penalty. Guess taking their ball home at Nurburgring 2 weeks ago has worked and now FIA let's them get away with what they want...
These are just a few I remember
Burn's flywheel 20 grams too light in Argentina = exclusion from Burn's inherited win.
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...tina-exclusion
Hirvonen's clutch and turbo in 2012 Portugal. The turbo part .02mm too big. Hirvonen's win transferred to Ostberg,
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/9...-hirvonen-case
2009 Rally Australia - antiroll bars - Citroen - 1 minute penalty. Hirvonen/ Ford winner instead of Loeb.
Further discussion on Ypres should me moved to seperate thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Really interesting weekend. Same fight between Ogier And Neuville as two years ago and Neuville won again. I was hoping that Ogier would take this one, but I guess now things are more interesting for the future. And can someone explain Suninen's phenomenon? As I see it, when he beat everyone by 12s it wasn't just because of the road position because there were guys going after him. Man, that was impressive and wonder why didn't it last.
Looks like Hyundai got away with one. A fine as a penalty is poor enough for an intraction of the rules, but this is even a suspended fine.
Mind you, Toyota got away with their over-sized rear wing last year.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/what-...0-rally-italy/
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On the Cala Flumini stage that was the exact same 8.73 miles in length in 2016 – when the older generation cars last ran at the front of the WRC – as it was in 2020, who do you think was quicker? The quickest overall time in 2016 from Thierry Neuville or the fastest Rally2 in 2020 from Mads Østberg?
Neuville posted a 9m08.1s on the first pass and got that down to an 8m53.0s on the second. As for Østberg, he set a time of 9m06.2s first thing on Sunday – 1.9s faster than Neuville in ’16 – and a 8m53.1s on the second pass, just 0.1s shy.
Interesting to compare them and R5 definitely is quicker now than in 2016, but the main parameter should be road condition? In 2016 it was in June, now in October. Maybe road was enough more damp and packed go give more grip?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Well the progression with the current WRC cars was only slight from last year (actually from 2018), so I wouldn't say the road was considerably faster this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
WRC
2020 Ogier 8:23.2
2019 Mikkelsen 8:34.8
2018 Neuville 8:28.9
2017 Lappi 8:46.9
2016 Neuville 8:53.0
RC2
2020 Østberg 8:53.1
2019 Østberg 8:58.4
2018 Veiby 9:09.9
2017 Camilli 9:18.2 (second run cancelled)
2016 Lappi 9.03.8
In 2016 Lappi was 5th on the stage on the Skoda R5, beating Ogier, Sordo and Tänak in WRC cars!
Not just last year, they got away with it for 2 and a half year before anyone noticed it was illegal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
That was actually a mistake by FIA, for having the wing homologated as it was.
some interesting stuff from Adamo.Also a big bravo to Dirtfish for bringing this info out.
What was going on? How could the man who’d already won twice here be so far out to sea with the set-up. Had the changes made to the i20 to speed it up on fast gravel compromised it on the slower stuff?
“That’s a simplistic answer,” was team principal Andrea Adamo’s straight answer. “If I would say that, then I would also be stupid in respect of the job done by my engineers. This is not a Formula 1 car and we are not running in Monte Carlo with the Monza set-up. We are just modifying many things. And, don’t forget, for certain stages it’s easier to set the car up for Estonia than it is for Sardinia.
“There have been many differences in the stages this morning. The first stage was technical, twisty and the second one was faster and both with different surfaces. The best compromise has not been found.
“And let me say one more thing, if I may be permitted. If I check the stage times it’s not really that [Neuville’s car] doesn’t work; if I’m not wrong in the last stage it was one-two [for Hyundais] and if it didn’t work, it would not have been like this. Of course, I say it like this, sometimes Thierry is more Italian than me. Emotions can take control of him. We have to modify the set-up for his needs, I’m not worried about this.
“We modified a lot of the car this summer and I feel we still have a lot of things to unlock that are new and we have to understand exactly what we have to put to make it work perfectly for everybody.”
But still, here’s the thing, in search of the best compromise, Neuville reached out to Sordo and the dampers he was using to help him find the feeling himself. He’d tried it the Sordo way in shakedown, but it didn’t work. In service after SS4, he was willing to give it another shot.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/how-s...-win-in-a-row/
Cala Flumini is a bit of an unique stage though, not a lot of places where the WRC gets to stretch It's legs with it being so narrow and twisty. Conditions in the powerstage was much better coming down the hill this year, looked like they had put some better gravel on it maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
When you saw the difference between WRC and R5 at the fast section in Erula-Tula with the tricky bump on the left hander and jump by the windmills you clearly see why WRC is so much better to watch
There's a couple of very fast places but I guess R5 benefits in the narrowest places with less width and a simpler center diff, just like on super specialsQuote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Here are my pictures (shakedown + 8 special stages) : https://flic.kr/s/aHsmRnUrvJ
nice pics man!
any other stories to tell of the event?
A lot, give me a few hours
Those are good examples of time penalties, and even exclusions, that were used in the past but at some point (2015?) they started to be replaced by fines, which become the new normal. Hyundai 50k€ fine in Italy 2016, for lighter rear windows, is also a good example as some years before Ford drivers got a 5m penalty for a similar infringement (Portugal '07).Quote:
Originally Posted by Humber
seems to be very long post :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Fredouye
Sorry, a lot of work after these 4 days off, and English is not my native language :)
As a lot of people, I guess, I was still hesitating about this rally ten days ago...especially with the huge entry list.
In my case, I thought the sanitary risk was quite low, as I use to sleep in my car and bring my own food.
I spent a few days using WRC+ / Rally-Maps / OpenStreetMaps looking for "hidden" paths to the special stages, and planned to walk before sunrise...
I took a covid-19 test last Monday, filled all the required forms, booked a "fake" hotel and took the ferry from France last Wednesday. It turned out, when arriving in Sardegna, that _nothing_ was required, I just had a quick temperature check...
Thursday morning was spent trying to find access to the Castelsardo special stage, and then I got to the Olmeldo city, head of the shakedown. A lot of marshalls and cops, it began to smell bad :)
In fact when trying to reach one of the places where I'd planned to park, some marshalls were guiding people...I walked to the shakedown, and saw...a food truck, a parking, tens of cops, a few tens of spectators !
It turned out marshalls were just trying to keep people behind the green lines...After that, I began to think it would be easier than expected.
Some more recel in the afternoon, and I headed to the Tula special stage for the night. I was the second car parking here (hello Matthias :)), but when waking up there were a few dozens of other cars...and at least 100 people at the junction with the road. I spent the 2 loops in Tula, which is a wonderful rollercoaster place, and then took my car to the Castelsardo special stage.
When arriving in Castelsardo, I began chatting with 3 marshalls which offered me a fresh beer (which I refused, but I was happy to accept a fresh bottle of water :)). They were super nice, but not very concerned by covid-19 issues, and had no instructions about blocking the access to spectators...
After ~ 40 cars I went back to my car, and rejoined the Monte Lerno special stage. I parked outside of the stage, which turned out to be a "mistake", as I had to walk 20km that day...same here with the marshalls, only one told be (it was still dark) not to walk on the road, and the marshalls on my first loop's spot were very nice, I showed them photos of the last day, it was nice. Timetable was the same as the day before, with 2-3 hours to get to the afternoon special stages, and I went back to the Castelsardo special stage.
This was the only time I've found marshalls to be "nervous", because of 10-20 spectators just after a series of 3 bumps...but they left and everything went smooth.
I then got to the powerstage for the night, on a parking ~ 200m from the beach. At 11PM there were...3 cars parked.
In the morning a lot of cops, which were only dealing with cars badly parked on the side of the road.
But A LOT of marshalls on the special stage, with groups of 10/50 people all around the public areas, which cover the entire special stage. Once again, marshalls were not too concerned about placement, I was able to get "close" to the cars on some places.
To sum up, I haven't meet anyone (marshalls/cops) who had instructions about blocking the public...but I met A LOT of people (especially young ones) without masks, even some marshalls...
A wonderful event, 8 special stages, 51km of walking, I had the chance to meet some nice people, and talk to a few pro photographers...I'll definitely try to come back next June, fingers crossed !
Fredouye, fantastic post, feels like I’ve been to an actual rally now! Thank you and really happy for you that you had a good adventure!
Top man!
nice post Fredouye! also nice photos,specially Neuvilles at air,and nice selected spots!
“He had a 34s lead and he won by six seconds,” said Adamo, “I didn’t tell him to create this level of emotion and tension! Honestly, I have to remind him that he is paid by Hyundai and not by the promoter!
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/how-a...italy-decider/
nice photo with Kalle
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2020/phot...vanpera-pn.jpg
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Did someone say what the issue was on the first morning for Tanak?Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
suspension issueQuote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
I guess he wish a more detailed description... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Me too.