Rear spoiler is also bolted on, so it is getting closer.
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Rear spoiler is also bolted on, so it is getting closer.
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Sure a Yaris Rally3 makes sense, but why would the starting point be any better than the old Gr. N cars? Rally3 is so far removed from the old Gr. N concept that any technical comparison is kind of pointless. Rally 3 is just a modified roadcar shell with bespoke running gear (i.e. nothing really left from the base car) while Gr. N were modified production cars, so the question which is a better starting point is sort of moot isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
New rear wing on the Fiesta as well?
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Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Yes and looking good... as is the whole car with it's neat and sporty 3-door body. I hope M-Sport stocked up on them - maybe that's why Ford are only selling 5-door models now ! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
I like the sound of the Clio better than the Fiesta (4 vs 3 cyl)
Will be cool to se them in competition, to start comparing engine drivability and outputs on numbers.
Have the regs on wings changed to 2023, since MSport upgrade theirs?
The change looks similar to the Rally2 change this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
So basically in line with this then.
https://www.wrcwings.tech/2022/07/25...fiesta-rally2/
First "public" tests today, with several teams invited to run the car on tarmac today. Tomorrow the same thing happens on gravel.
I'd say so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
https://youtube.com/shorts/9WrNvqxrNNY?feature=shareQuote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
Any films from the gravel testing?
New spec Fiesta Rally3. Front facelift and new rear spoiler.
https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/4...iam-creighton/
It must be an old video. We have autumn in Poland now and we don't wear T-shirts and shorts at this time of year :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
No one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
just type "clio rally3 gravel" in YT and you get this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CheMGVMjxcs
Clio to be launched in January
https://www.fiaerc.com/erc/news/erc/...aunch-in-2023/Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth
Wow! That's quick! So already in April we should see the first-ever four-wheel drive rally car built by Renault. I hope it will be as successful as their FWD cars!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Like this one for example ;)
https://64.media.tumblr.com/bc00c1be...7c495fa953.png
Clio homologated 1 April it says, so not much than coursecar duty before that.
Very much looking forward to the first rally where we will see the Fiesta and the Clio head to head, to spot the strengths and weaknesses between them.
Personally i like the sounds of the Clio more than the 3cyl Fiesta, since it seems to rev higher. But no joy in that if the Fiesta is quicker. We just have to wait, and discuss here :D
Nice details from Yann Paranthoën, chief engineer of Renault Customer Racing, speaking to DirtFish:
https://dirtfish.com/archive/renault...3-development/
M-Sport Poland building chassis 100.
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Chazel is gaining Rally3 knowhow!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xti-87O-Sek
Official Clio promo clip
Paralell topic as in Rally2 thread
Checked Rally3 Fiesta price when it came, prices might have changed
Rally ready car in either Gravel or Asphalt config 99 900 euro
VIN number registration 10 000 euro
Gravel or Asphalt conversion kit 10 000 euro
total 120 000
Normal equipment/ spares package chosen by most drivers/teams 10 000-30 000 euro
In grand total 130 to 150 000 euro
So aprox 50% of a Rally2 car, with same equipment.
... and it was going to replace group N cars. Will it ever happen?
How much was a top notch WRX or Evo in the end, also with R4 spec?
If i remember correctly, a top spec impreza Gr.N from Tommi Mäkinen Racing costed over 100K with spares.
A Mitsubishi Evo X R4 costed 120K, again, if i remember correctly.
But most Gr.N imprezas costed from 70-80K, probably "clean".
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the key in your post is past tense... Since few yers ago prices have gone up significantly...Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
So the price of a rally 3 is relative to gr N
Top spec N4 cars cost way more than 100.000€.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
For Prodrive Impreza N12 in 2006 they paid around 120.000-130.000€ (just car), also top spec EVO9 N4 with all possible parts from Ralliart was more than 100.000€.
Mad prices for Group N if you consider 2006 vs 2022, just only on inflations termsQuote:
Originally Posted by jcevc
Note that the Renault will be a pure customer operation for the Clio Rally3 as they have no in-house rally team to run it. Unlike M-Sport (Poland) which did the Fiesta.
Any ideas which teams may buy/run the new Clio for customers apart from Chazel and Fun Meca Sport ?
They will build 1 Rally3/week. I'm sure there will be a waiting list. I know there are a few of them ordered for the Netherlands.
I guess there are many french teams that could do it on their behalf. Toksport are already there, and have links to Renault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
And MSport Poland is concentrating on JWRC I guess.
on the other hand, could be good with a championship for the privateers !
Toksport sold all Clios right after Barum and, as far as I know, they don't plan to keep running the Clio Trophy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
But Rally3 is not relative to N4. In a lot of countries back in the day, the group N was a top tier car with which you could fight for overall victories/podiums. Now the Rally3 barely fights a Rally4 car.Quote:
Originally Posted by ictus
Also with the N4 you could start on a low budget and step by step build it up to a top spec. With the Rally3 you are on 120 000 Euro from the get go.
So I don't think Rally3 replaces N4, it is it's own new group with it's customers.
You are right, but the era of N4 is gone. I mean the whole concept of having "stock" car and building better and better car is not technically possible due to macro-economical reasons. So the customers could be quite similar group ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Popov
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