Wrc Tour de Corse 2015

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Originally Posted by RS

That surprised me too but maybe Lappi was driving for the championship points.

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so when driving for championship points a privateer can be faster than a works driver?

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i quote this from Catalunya topic.Watch the points Latvala collects at 2nd half of the year,when everything is lost for him about championship.
exactly the sameas last years.This guy really needs to work his mendality.

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Originally Posted by jbmarcus21

WRC 2015 standings after Corsica (driver, manufacturers, stages winners) http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/

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Originally Posted by dimviii

so when driving for championship points a privateer can be faster than a works driver?

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Lappis interview

"Good points, which is fine, but I was fighting for the victory, which would be better for the championship. I was too slow. I have to admit that. Maurin was too fast for us. Happy to be here at the end. I have to be satisfied."

Well at least Lappi didn't crash on tarmac this time.

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Originally Posted by dimviii

i quote this from Catalunya topic.Watch the points Latvala collects at 2nd half of the year,when everything is lost for him about championship.
exactly the sameas last years.This guy really needs to work his mendality.

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He's doing it since the end of 2013 with the mental expert. I have to admit I saw him more mature this year since Finland, he pushed when he could and should but did'nt do anything too much crazy when he was behind and in those cases settled for some honest second places. Afterall when Ogier is in his days no one can't do anything to beat him. Better let him win, take valuable points and attack in the next rally.

Here he was slower than Ogier, no one can deny it but for once in his life he has been more clever, taking SS3 carefully and avoiding punctures or problems. I'm curious to see the points of Latvala and Ogier from Finland to Galles.

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Originally Posted by dimviii

i quote this from Catalunya topic.Watch the points Latvala collects at 2nd half of the year,when everything is lost for him about championship.
exactly the sameas last years.This guy really needs to work his mendality.

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Tougher rallies at 1st half?!?

RK reaction after reading some posts here.
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Originally Posted by AL14

He's doing it since the end of 2013 with the mental expert.

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yes thats well known,but i dont see results.

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

Tougher rallies at 1st half?!?

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i dont think so.


borl video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOO18z02RD4

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Originally Posted by dimviii

yes thats well known,but i dont see results.

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Yes not too much different than previously. But as I said before I've seen some improvement since Finland. Let's see if it is something that will endure (don't know if this is the right word, hope you'll understand what I mean :) )

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Originally Posted by AL14

Yes not too much different than previously. But as I said before I've seen some improvement since Finland. Let's see if it is something that will endure (don't know if this is the right word, hope you'll understand what I mean :) )

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yes i understand,but every year after Finland his pace is good.Every year at 2nd half he dont crash,every year at 2nd half he settle for second if he sees that he can t much Ogier.
So nothing new if he keeps this good pace for the remaining rallies.
The problem is the 1st half of rallies.Thats what the mental expert haven t manage,in conjuction with Latvala.

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Originally Posted by dimviii

yes i understand,but every year after Finland his pace is good.Every year at 2nd half he dont crash,every year at 2nd half he settle for second if he sees that he can t much Ogier.
So nothing new if he keeps this good pace for the remaining rallies.
The problem is the 1st half of rallies.Thats what the mental expert haven t manage,in conjuction with Latvala.

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Agree the mental expert didn't manage to accomplish his mission but not that he is that better in the second part. This is valid for this season but if you compare points form first to second parts in other years you will not see too much difference. I also think his problems are not only in the mental side.

Latvala is just natural born loser... he can win events but not championships.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

Latvala is just natural born loser... he can win events but not championships.

another failed project like Hirvonen brought to you by none other than the finish manager system.. producing failures since 2003.. ask your local manager for a brochure on our great services and products.

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I'm happy to have seen all these Finnish "failures" in WRC... In your opinion, who is the better alternative for Latvala?

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Originally Posted by Simmi

Have some people on here never watched a rally before? You don't decide your end result by adding together what position you were in on each stage.

After all the stages the stopwatch had Elfyn in second - so, in a rally where everyone had equal conditions, how does he not deserve to finish second?

I want him to do well but I'm not some blinkered Evans apologist. I don't think he's impressed much at all during his WRC career and I have been critical of him - but I'll say what I said the other day - let's give credit where it's due.

You can't start adding on stages that didn't exist and you can't predict what would happen in them and brand that as 'fact'. There's no reason why Evans couldn't have put time into, or at least matched Latvala, in those horrendous conditions on Friday. But those stages never ran so we have what we have.

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Adult reaction about his perfomance!

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

Latvala is just natural born loser... he can win events but not championships.

another failed project like Hirvonen brought to you by none other than the finish manager system.. producing failures since 2003.. ask your local manager for a brochure on our great services and products.

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Another example of stupid comments by NOT. Even if he's right (he won't be a champ), Latvala is still the best next thing after Ogier.
And why such a comment after a fair win... NOT is boring in his comments and he knows it, that's why he screams louder and louder but without any good points, it's becoming more and more pathetic...

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Originally Posted by dimviii

Lappis interview

"Good points, which is fine, but I was fighting for the victory, which would be better for the championship. I was too slow. I have to admit that. Maurin was too fast for us. Happy to be here at the end. I have to be satisfied."

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Surprised, but at least he didn't crash.

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Originally Posted by Simmi

Have some people on here never watched a rally before? You don't decide your end result by adding together what position you were in on each stage.

After all the stages the stopwatch had Elfyn in second - so, in a rally where everyone had equal conditions, how does he not deserve to finish second?

I want him to do well but I'm not some blinkered Evans apologist. I don't think he's impressed much at all during his WRC career and I have been critical of him - but I'll say what I said the other day - let's give credit where it's due.

You can't start adding on stages that didn't exist and you can't predict what would happen in them and brand that as 'fact'. There's no reason why Evans couldn't have put time into, or at least matched Latvala, in those horrendous conditions on Friday. But those stages never ran so we have what we have.

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Yeah.. I always say I don't have a big imagination so I have a hard time understanding when people say " Häcki Hälarna deserved this 3rd place!“ and the pitiful pools of piss who chose one driver and pour their shit from their mouth endlessly "he doesn't belong in WRC"

Everybody gets exactly what they earned.

Amazingly simple.


I always said about any competition "Don't worry, the results will take care of everything"
Doesn't matter who somebody is, doesn't matter the car--if its the best WRC car or a clubbie Clio----the results will take care of everything"

It is a RALLY after all..and that means it is fundamentally a different intention than any other type of car competition...to rally means to get together, to concentrate what is presumed is a lot of individuals/crews..

By these golem's "logic" if Kubica doesn't "deserve" or "belong in WRC" then why don't these whiner people complain and demand every driver behind Kubica on any SS drop out, and enter a monastery. because if he doesn't "belong in" then anybody behind him doesn't either..


But that is granting them the ability to think, and a familiarity with rudimentary logic, something they do NOT have.


Such a shame the format was so damaged by the SS losses..

I saw some link to older---1980s Tour de Corse---1100+ km SS.
That was a rally!

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

Latvala is just natural born loser... he can win events but not championships.

another failed project like Hirvonen brought to you by none other than the finish manager system.. producing failures since 2003.. ask your local manager for a brochure on our great services and products.

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I hardly ever agree with NOT, but this time I have to. The great manager has not produced since Tommi Mäkinen. What he has achieved, is to block other finnish talents route to WRC.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

Latvala is just natural born loser... he can win events but not championships.

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Originally Posted by Simmi

Have some people on here never watched a rally before? You don't decide your end result by adding together what position you were in on each stage.

After all the stages the stopwatch had Elfyn in second - so, in a rally where everyone had equal conditions, how does he not deserve to finish second?

I want him to do well but I'm not some blinkered Evans apologist. I don't think he's impressed much at all during his WRC career and I have been critical of him - but I'll say what I said the other day - let's give credit where it's due.

You can't start adding on stages that didn't exist and you can't predict what would happen in them and brand that as 'fact'. There's no reason why Evans couldn't have put time into, or at least matched Latvala, in those horrendous conditions on Friday. But those stages never ran so we have what we have.

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Completely agree with You. I'm not that over-hyped by his performance here either, but I have to admit that he achieved a lot on friday in these difficult conditions, something VW drivers just survived. That counts for something in my book. However he has lot of work to do more....

Can those cheaters and scammers quit soon enough?Bring us real rallying please...

What is happening with Kubica's car is total mystery for me and it seems for him too
He revealed he bought NEW engine from this rally, and it is already breaking down after 200km of driving....:confused:

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

Latvala is just natural born loser... he can win events but not championships.

another failed project like Hirvonen brought to you by none other than the finish manager system.. producing failures since 2003.. ask your local manager for a brochure on our great services and products.

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Originally Posted by COD

I hardly ever agree with NOT, but this time I have to. The great manager has not produced since Tommi Mäkinen. What he has achieved, is to block other finnish talents route to WRC.

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First of all, Jari-Matti Latvala is the best Finnish driver available to the WRC. Esapekka Lappi (as well as a few others in WRC2 or JWRC) aren't mature enough to earn a full-time seat with any of the current manufacturers. So who should replace him when there's no one to do so?

Being the world's second best driver and still being labeled a "loser" is astounding. If we were to apply such flawed (and much too simplified) logic to the rest of the WRC field, they are all losers. Surely, according to this logic, they must be, because Latvala is (and has been for a long time) second in the standings. Using this flawed logic, every rally is "Ogier vs. all the losers". What an appealing way to view the pinnacle of our beloved sport...

No one is "blocking" Finnish drivers from entering the WRC because of Latvala's presence herein. It might have quite the opposite effect, even; Latvala's presence is a boost to the remainder of the Finnish field. An example: If you were Capito, Matton, Wilson or Nandan, how much faith would you have in Finnish drivers in general if there wasn't even a Finnish driver in the Championship to begin with?

The following shouldn't be earth-shattering, revolutionary news, but I fear it might be: There's more to being a "winner" or a "loser" than mere stats and figures. Yes, Ogier is at the top of the standings. He's been there for a long time and he'll continue to be there for a long time. But mixed in with his plain arrogance, unsportsmanlike attitude and lack of maturity, is he really a winner? Or is he at least more a winner than the is a bad loser?

Then there's Jari-Matti, arguably the most professional and 'rally-minded' of all drivers in the WRC. He discussed tyre strategy with Hayden Paddon at Rally Sardegna when the talented but in-experienced Kiwi was running ahead of the field. He's the first to congratulate his teammates when they beat him. He'll always take time to answer any post-stage questions and sign autographs and he'll be polite, articulate and ooze rallying passion. He'll even enter Historic Rallies such as the ones of Finland and Estonia despite these not having a huge following - but he does it for the passion of the sport.

He's the type of driver every child with a passion for rallying should look up to and want to emulate, not only because of how he is on the special stages, but (perhaps more importantly) how he is outside of them.

As I mentioned, there's more to being a winner than the points total next to your name. And therefore it wouldn't be erroneous to consider Jari-Matti the biggest winner in the WRC.

There isn't French rising star either at the moment. Loeb & Ogier are phenomenon, but they have their time. Empty anti-Finns words, don't bother.

"O tempora o mores"

the battle for the first non-VW driver in the standings is really tight now.

Rally ace. Great post. Jari-Matti just oozes passion for the sport. Take that over results. A person I would enjoy a meal with, can't say I have the same feeling for Sebastian.

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Originally Posted by Robbo

Rally ace. Great post. Jari-Matti just oozes passion for the sport. Take that over results. A person I would enjoy a meal with, can't say I have the same feeling for Sebastian.

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And he is also an example for never giving up, even when you have to face the best of the best and even after so many big disappontments that I'm sure would have hit very hard many other drivers. But he is still there and still believe in himself.

Sure that our video from the 2003 edition, will be lovely to be reviewed.

Here I post our video! Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqgaCZlzE-Q

Latvala and Hirvonen both got to the level they did, only because of time and miles in the car, not talent. Latvala has been in WRC car for over 10 years now, and still lacks consistancy. He has done lots of testing and many many rallies. If he cant win championship now, its never.

And about blocking talent, I didn't mean Latvala is doing that. His manager has done that to all but his drivers. Just failed to do that to Grönholm, but nearly manged that as well

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Originally Posted by COD

Latvala and Hirvonen both got to the level they did, only because of time and miles in the car, not talent. Latvala has been in WRC car for over 10 years now, and still lacks consistancy. He has done lots of testing and many many rallies. If he cant win championship now, its never.

And about blocking talent, I didn't mean Latvala is doing that. His manager has done that to all but his drivers. Just failed to do that to Grönholm, but nearly manged that as well

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What utta bollocks

Latvala is hugely talented and is clearly out front of the pack with the exception of the freakeshly fast and ice cool Ogier.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

Latvala is just natural born loser... he can win events but not championships.

another failed project like Hirvonen brought to you by none other than the finish manager system.. producing failures since 2003.. ask your local manager for a brochure on our great services and products.

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At least Mikko was the only driver who's able to forcing Seb. L to fighting down to the wire twice. :p

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDa7ISYFWYs

^ Now I see why Abbring went off.

Kubica planning to leave WRC or to mix circuit with Rally next year. He's now seriously thinking to go "where I have more credit in the motorsport: circuit racing."

He says other things I didn't understand. Maybe some polish guy can help.

http://eurosport.onet.pl/motorowe/ra...-ma-tor/mhgxvd

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Originally Posted by danon

^ Now I see why Abbring went off.

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yes i noticed that too...

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/mont...1443994802.jpg

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Originally Posted by AL14

Kubica planning to leave WRC or to mix circuit with Rally next year. He's now seriously thinking to go "where I have more credit in the motorsport: circuit racing."

He says other things I didn't understand. Maybe some polish guy can help.

http://eurosport.onet.pl/motorowe/ra...-ma-tor/mhgxvd

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Is Robert Kubica's patience running out? After the Rally of Corsica Polish driver admitted that he is seriously considering a return to racetracks. He stressed, however, that he did not have enough of rallies.
- If we want to rally at high level, everything has to be at high level - Kubica says when I ask about plans for the 2016 season. He is not bored with rallying, but currently they are more a source of frustration than satisfaction. - Today there is no possibility for us to fight for top positions - adds Polish WRC competitor.

Robert admits that he is seriously considering splitting time between racing in selected rallies and races. - Today this is the most feasible plan. I think I will go back to a place where I have a big credit which is professional track racing - admits Kubica.

Are you tired of the WRC? On that question Robert responds firmly. - No. I really like rallies, but I miss something that track has. So far, in rallies and especially in their current form, I'm not getting this. The full interview about next year plans of Robert Kubica in Monday's "Sport Review".

I can see that Tidemand managed to have two accidents and a puncture on seven stages. Quite an event to forget...

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Originally Posted by rallyace

First of all, Jari-Matti Latvala is the best Finnish driver available to the WRC. Esapekka Lappi (as well as a few others in WRC2 or JWRC) aren't mature enough to earn a full-time seat with any of the current manufacturers. So who should replace him when there's no one to do so?

Being the world's second best driver and still being labeled a "loser" is astounding. If we were to apply such flawed (and much too simplified) logic to the rest of the WRC field, they are all losers. Surely, according to this logic, they must be, because Latvala is (and has been for a long time) second in the standings. Using this flawed logic, every rally is "Ogier vs. all the losers". What an appealing way to view the pinnacle of our beloved sport...

No one is "blocking" Finnish drivers from entering the WRC because of Latvala's presence herein. It might have quite the opposite effect, even; Latvala's presence is a boost to the remainder of the Finnish field. An example: If you were Capito, Matton, Wilson or Nandan, how much faith would you have in Finnish drivers in general if there wasn't even a Finnish driver in the Championship to begin with?

The following shouldn't be earth-shattering, revolutionary news, but I fear it might be: There's more to being a "winner" or a "loser" than mere stats and figures. Yes, Ogier is at the top of the standings. He's been there for a long time and he'll continue to be there for a long time. But mixed in with his plain arrogance, unsportsmanlike attitude and lack of maturity, is he really a winner? Or is he at least more a winner than the is a bad loser?

Then there's Jari-Matti, arguably the most professional and 'rally-minded' of all drivers in the WRC. He discussed tyre strategy with Hayden Paddon at Rally Sardegna when the talented but in-experienced Kiwi was running ahead of the field. He's the first to congratulate his teammates when they beat him. He'll always take time to answer any post-stage questions and sign autographs and he'll be polite, articulate and ooze rallying passion. He'll even enter Historic Rallies such as the ones of Finland and Estonia despite these not having a huge following - but he does it for the passion of the sport.

He's the type of driver every child with a passion for rallying should look up to and want to emulate, not only because of how he is on the special stages, but (perhaps more importantly) how he is outside of them.

As I mentioned, there's more to being a winner than the points total next to your name. And therefore it wouldn't be erroneous to consider Jari-Matti the biggest winner in the WRC.

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I agree. It is very easy to criticise, Very hard to build and grow as J-M has.