Whats going to Happen at Mercedes

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Originally Posted by Big Ben

I used to do a lot of racing myself. I remember one time I was on a straight just before a right-left chicane with this other kid having the front half of his kart side by side with mine. And I was thinking I'm so hungry and I have big balls and this other guy is a wuss. he always backs down and lets me have my way. I'm gonna take his sandwich from him when we're done with this... I'm hungrier than him... and then I turned left and then right like there was no one beside me. well, this time he he didn't back down and I lost and he went on and stuck it to me and I threw a hissy fit bla bla bla. Now I'm older I know I was such a retard back then.

Just my own personal made up similar story to prove a point

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I saw that race , and that clumsy overtake move by that low-life cheater who ran into you was just too much to take , and he should have been sat out of the championship for at least four years .
You had divine right to that corner , and his sandwich !

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Originally Posted by Big Ben

I used to do a lot of racing myself. I remember one time I was on a straight just before a right-left chicane with this other kid having the front half of his kart side by side with mine. And I was thinking I'm so hungry and I have big balls and this other guy is a wuss. he always backs down and lets me have my way. I'm gonna take his sandwich from him when we're done with this... I'm hungrier than him... and then I turned left and then right like there was no one beside me. well, this time he he didn't back down and I lost and he went on and stuck it to me and I threw a hissy fit bla bla bla. Now I'm older I know I was such a retard back then.

Just my own personal made up similar story to prove a point

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You turned left and then right into a right left chicane?

Anyway, this was a left right chicane so we're talking about different events. And The same guy is my best friend still 20 years later. We were speaking about this incident only last night and comparing it to Nico & Lewis. I had forgotten about it until he reminded me. Thing is though, I was never a wuss so he always knew I would not give in unless I had no other choice.

Back to the story at hand, it shows you can judge these things. This with a 125 kart, but you always know if you are going to hit something or not. If Nico came out and admitted he made a mistake and was sorry straight after the race I'd have been more inclined to believe it was an accident but his attitude after the race and refusal to say sorry just adds weight to his guilt.

And I'm not sure why he feels aggrieved over Bahrain either, if that is the case, he was the one that used settings on his car that Mercedes said they couldn't to try and overtake Lewis.

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

Sadly this is the case.

He is just always involved. Which is a problem

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Yeah, he is fast becoming the Eddie Irvine on the 21st century :shock:

I've lost count of the number of incidents he's been involved in over the last few years.

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Originally Posted by truefan72

we all would like to see fair racing
but it seems one driver is bent on being unfair...namely Nico

so to me it is laughable that after monaco people say "it is what it is, stop whining Hamilton" let it happen on the track
knowing full well that monaco is impossible to pass with equal machinery. and anything short of a suicide divebomb ( like spa oddly enough) would be ridiculous to both team and driver

that was an "on track situation"

Same with spa, after he destroys his teammate's race, who btw was leading the race at that moment, and his closest WDC rival, on an on track stupid move that was cynical at best and probably deliberate at worst, folks like you are now saying " i wish hamilton would shut up and just race ,and have it decided on the track"
Well that is what he bloody well is trying to do, isn't it???

Nico knows he is no match for Hamilton in a fair fight and thus has resorted to these tactics
nevermind that he has benefitted from some horrendous luck on the part of Hamilton's car, and despite all that was just 11 points ahead.

If his car did not break down d in Australia, it would have been 5/5 for hamilton, and lets remember that monaco incident happened right after Hamilton won 4 in a row and was looking good for pole in Monaco and Nico did what he did to stop that momentum.

Now in Spa, hamilton beat him off the line in the start and Nico did what he did to stop him. I'm not sure what point he was trying to prove. Because the hungarian GP situation was ridiculous at all levels and the team acknowledged that afterwards. Being slower than his teammate and championship rival, not being able to be close enough to make a pass then whining and asking the team to have him pass him was just dumb. So if he was angry about that situation then he must be nuts that his championship rival won't slow down and let him pass so he can win the race and put him further ahead in points.

To me it seems like there is one driver trying to win his races and perform fairly and there is another guy who has [/B]a complete sense of undeserved entitlement (Nico) [/B] who is trying to win the championship unfairly.

I have stayed quiet over the pas few days just to observe and see where this conversation would go in these forums, and like a few others, tend to agree that the dislike for Hamilton, for whatever reason, seems to cloud many here in their opinion. Because I shudder to think about the vitriol and record breaking thread counts that would have happened crucifying hamilton if the situation were in reverse.

All you have to see is how folks responded in 2011 when he got into several racing incidents with massa and webber. Most poignantly how many were quick to blame him for all contacts with massa, and then defended webber in singapore despite turning into hamilton.

So lets see if monza can be a "fair race" and see what happens. With 8 races to go it will be tough, but I still think hamilton can do it.
But TBH i have absolutely no faith in Rosberg driving fair or not doing something else stupid that folks here will be quick to defend.

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You know, I've heard this applied to a lot of Germans!

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

And I'm not sure why he feels aggrieved over Bahrain either, if that is the case, he was the one that used settings on his car that Mercedes said they couldn't to try and overtake Lewis.

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Apparently Hamilton used the same setting to keep Nico behind at Spain, so that's a wash.

If I remember correctly, Rosberg was all smiles after Baharain, and talking about how much fun it was and how he hoped the fans enjoyed it. It would seem hard to believe he holds any grudges from that.

I think at this point we have to wait and see what Nico does next time it is wheel to wheel with Hamilton.

When Senna swerved on Prost and almost put him into the pit wall in Portugal (89?), we were all shocked, but did not want to believe he would do anything like that again, which of course he did. After a few more of those, all doubt was removed that Senna intended to play fair.

The same thing with Schumacher taking Hill out at Adelaide in 94. There was a shred of doubt that maybe he did not do it on purpose, but then the chopping, blocking and swerving started, culminating in "deliberate, but instinctual" at Jerez in '97 when he tried to take out Villeneuve. After that, there was no giving the guy the benefit of the doubt.

With Nico, maybe his Monoco gaffe was for real. Maybe he really did not mean to hit Lewis at Spa, though he admitted he did not try to miss him either. To me, one of those is as good as the other, but I think we can now sit back and see what he does next. If Nico can race clean, maybe he was innocent of all these things, but if he does it again, I don't believe he deserves any more benefit of the doubt.

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Originally Posted by journeyman racer

What do you mean "only"? There are other points of interest for "the fans". Few races have been processional, a lot have held interest. If nothing else, this season has been a success due to Ricciardo elevating himself this season.

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Hey I know that.

Plenty though of "Casual fans" will think this a dull season, given the Mercedes dominance generally if the title is sewn up 4 rounds before the end.

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

You turned left and then right into a right left chicane?

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Yeah, sure. Why not? There's plenty of supernatural stuff I could do in my imaginary memories

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Originally Posted by Doc Austin

Apparently Hamilton used the same setting to keep Nico behind at Spain, so that's a wash.

If I remember correctly, Rosberg was all smiles after Baharain, and talking about how much fun it was and how he hoped the fans enjoyed it. It would seem hard to believe he holds any grudges from that.

I think at this point we have to wait and see what Nico does next time it is wheel to wheel with Hamilton.

When Senna swerved on Prost and almost put him into the pit wall in Portugal (89?), we were all shocked, but did not want to believe he would do anything like that again, which of course he did. After a few more of those, all doubt was removed that Senna intended to play fair.

The same thing with Schumacher taking Hill out at Adelaide in 94. There was a shred of doubt that maybe he did not do it on purpose, but then the chopping, blocking and swerving started, culminating in "deliberate, but instinctual" at Jerez in '97 when he tried to take out Villeneuve. After that, there was no giving the guy the benefit of the doubt.

With Nico, maybe his Monoco gaffe was for real. Maybe he really did not mean to hit Lewis at Spa, though he admitted he did not try to miss him either. To me, one of those is as good as the other, but I think we can now sit back and see what he does next. If Nico can race clean, maybe he was innocent of all these things, but if he does it again, I don't believe he deserves any more benefit of the doubt.

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Well yeah, so They are both guilty of that! I do know Nico said Hamilton pushed his luck in one incident after Bahrain - but that overall he was happy with the race. I honestly think people are making too much out of Bahrain. This incident I don't believe started there. It started after Hammy won 4 in a row. When Nico realized he couldn't beat Hamilton in out and out pace. Strange how that mistake came at just te right time for him eh? Tbh, both incidents are pretty clear to me. Up until Monaco I really didn't care which guy won the championship. It's very clear that Rosberg did that on purpose so to me, after that, I'm in Hamilton's corner. I don't want a cheat as a WDC.

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Originally Posted by Doc Austin

Hamilton's tire and Nico's wing suggest otherwise. No matter what the rules are, two cars can not occupy the same piece of road at the same time.

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No one is arguing against that. Only one car can be in the same place. But if an accident does happen, the car behind may have to eat the blame as the car in front should have the right to the corner. If the car from behind plows into it, the car behind may be penalized. Perhaps Rosberg should have been penalized. Who knows what logic F1 used there. Perhaps considering that the cars barely clipped, the FIA officials decided that Rosberg made a small mistake (but with big consequences).

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I would say the front wing contacting rear wheel would be significantly more behind than half a length. By your own reasoning, it was Hamilton's corner.

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That's right. If there was someone responsible for the collision, it was Rosberg. However, that doesn't prove the malicious intent to plow into Hamilton.

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By turning the wheel towards Hamilton?Oddly, my instinct would be to avoid the collision.

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Rosberg simply misjudged how far ahead his front wing was. A couple of inches of space may have allowed him to clear Hamilton's wheels without contact.

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Nico Rosberg immediately blamed Hamilton for the incident, but added that he could have avoided the contact, but didn't want to. He went on to tell Lewis, Toto Wolff, and Paddy Lowe that he allowed the contact to happen in order to 'prove a point.'

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Please do not use third party quotes as the proof of what Rosberg said privately, specially from Hamilton who is not an impartial party.

And by the way, Alain Prost in an interview to f1news.ru states his personal opinion on the incident, making all the same points I have been mentioning. Summary:

1. This was a racing incident
2. Every weekend we see similar incidents
3. Rosberg turned towards Hamilton's car to stay on track
4. The driver does not see the big front wing from the cockpit well
5. Rosberg misjudged the situation when he turned his car towards Hamilton's car.
6. Rosberg was just as likely to cause serious damage to his own car as he could lose his wing, puncture tire, etc.

If you don't believe, run this through a translator:

http://www.f1news.ru/interview/prost/97165.shtml

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Originally Posted by zako85

Please do not use third party quotes as the proof of what Rosberg said privately, specially from Hamilton who is not an impartial party.

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If you click on the quote, it will take you to the article that contains the quote. That is a direct copy/paste of text from the article.

Here is the direct link

I was just quoting the article on Motorsports.com, which I believe is probably a credible source.

From there people can make up their minds if the article and the quote have any credibility or not. Perhaps it is done differently here, but this is a perfectly acceptable literary technique at the forum I posted at before coming here. There when we made claims, we were expected to provide links that prove our position, and that's what I did.

The exact title of the article is "Rosberg admits he deliberately hit Hamilton to 'prove a point' - Mercedes confirms" So, if Mercedes is confirming this, either it is true or Motorsports,com all of it wrong got it wrong. The article is still there, so I'm guessing that Motorsports.com probably stands by it.