Situation in Ukraine

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Originally Posted by Starter

Gadjo, if I were living in one of the former USSR client states, I would be very concerned. Should Putin take over eastern Ukraine (or all of it) there will be no real opposition from the West. He has large ambitions. Read your history books folks, those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it.

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Well, we weren't exactly a client.
Besides, now we are under NATO's umbrella.

When you are worried about a corrupt government the country you naturally want to join is Russia. ;)

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

Well, we weren't exactly a client.
Besides, now we are under NATO's umbrella.

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Given NATO's underwhelming response to Crimea and eastern Ukraine, I'm not sure I would count on being a member as protection from Russia.

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Originally Posted by Starter

Given NATO's underwhelming response to Crimea and eastern Ukraine, I'm not sure I would count on being a member as protection from Russia.

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Ukraine is not a member but we are. NATO constitutes a system of collective defence whereby its member states agree to mutual defense in response to an attack by any external party.:confused:

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

Ukraine is not a member but we are. NATO constitutes a system of collective defence whereby its member states agree to mutual defense in response to an attack by any external party.:confused:

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I'm aware of what NATO is and what its supposed to do. However, what it says it will do and what the current reality could be (and probably is) are two different things.

Not to mention, what about an internal attack ala Crimea and now Ukraine.

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Originally Posted by Starter

I'm aware of what NATO is and what its supposed to do. However, what it says it will do and what the current reality could be (and probably is) are two different things.

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What? The Treaty is just a joke? :confused:
I knew it.......
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0swV1Goq31U

Russian military have now moved into eastern Ukraine.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-blog-16-april

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Originally Posted by BleAivano

Russian military have now moved into eastern Ukraine.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-blog-16-april

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Those can't possibly be Russians. They have no insignia on their uniforms.

/end Putin

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Originally Posted by BleAivano

Russian military have now moved into eastern Ukraine.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-blog-16-april

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OK folks, you all owe me several pints of good craft beer!
:D ;)

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Originally Posted by Starter

OK folks, you all owe me several pints of good craft beer!
:D ;)

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Hold your horses please. I follow news on CNN, BBC, lenta.ru, and Russian Channel 1. I haven't seen in those sources or from the link above any real evidence that Russian troops are involved in east Ukraine. All I see is Ukrainian armor on its march to the East being bogged down in Ukrainian villages and towns because primarily ordinary people, unarmed and dressed in civilian clothes are trying to stop the military columns, often simply by forming a human shield on the road.