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Isn't it like a second off-road accident this year?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Mikelsen's penalty in Poland was a money fine €5000 , no time penalty , no consistency......Quote:
Originally Posted by polo10
Tanak had a big off , he's being kept in hospital overnight as a precaution
That's looks a massive impact. The worst type of accident, sideways into a tree. Glad Ott should be ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by satnav
Yeah but when infrigements are becoming more often, penalties should become harsher...Quote:
Originally Posted by satnav
7 rallies with no crashes.. number of mechanical failiures (powersteering, 2WD, turbo).Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
The main concern here isn't the fact that (short)cutting is penalised but that there are no proper ground rules and the penalties are completely random.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
I am not fully awake BUT In English route does NOT mean "where you place the car at any given moment here or there. It means a number of related thingsQuote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
where the word came from:
Next is how its generally understood or used currently:Quote:
early 13c., from Old French rute "road, way, path" (12c.), from Latin rupta (via) "(a road) opened by force," from rupta, fem. past participle of rumpere "to break" (see rupture (n.)). Sense of "fixed or regular course for carrying things" (as in mail route) is 1792, an extension of the meaning "customary path of animals" (early 15c.).
When I hear, or use the word route I mean like this: "to get to my house the route you take is South on I-5 to Highway 518, go West to 2nd exit.Quote:
route
- definition
1
a way that buses, trains, ships, or airplanes travel regularly
a bus/shipping/trading route
Thesaurus entry for this meaning of route
a.
the roads or paths that you use when you go from one place to anotherIt's a good idea to plan your route before you leave.
route to: We took an alternative route to the hotel.
route from: The most direct route from the house to the school is through the center of town.
take/follow a route: The tunnel is the route taken by most drivers.
the shortest/quickest/most direct route: The sea was the most direct route between the two cities.
At STOP sign go 90 left, then flat for 3 lights then 90 R ----> flat 2 blocks, 90 L --> first street 90R+ first house on R+ Finish.
Or to use clearly "The route to Moscow goes via Warsawa, Smolensk, then Borodino,
The language of "Must stay to/on the prescribed route" in no way hints or implies or even whispers anything about just where you position the car . Not should you drive the CAR in the middle of the road, over to one side --hopefully-- or on the shoulder..No hint at all...
Well, anyone can go into the semantics. Organizers were aware of the possibility for some big cuts and hence, the issue was addressed in Bulletin No1 :Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
I hope that is clear enough for you. :)Quote:
"2. Deviation from formed Roadway
Competitors are advised that the compulsory itinerary of the rally is deemed to follow the
defined roadway and that significant deviations from the roadway will be treated as a
breach of FIA WRC Regulations Art. 14.2. The organisers may erect barriers or any
other hindrances where they believe competitors have deviated from the roadway during
reconnaissance or the first running of the stages."
Yeah, this is getting little funny. What is wrong with this picture:
http://s27.postimg.org/bk4ufvgb7/Scr...4_19_18_21.png
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Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
Well, it´s not semantics when John is trying to tell the difference between route and road. Meeke was leaving the road not the route, which for me more means between stages, transportsträcka in swedish.
"Roadway" is the word they use in bulletin no1. However hinders are not very adeqvat if not described in pictures before in bulletin. Maybe they was?
I was almost ran over and my gopro made a car spin in Norway this summer when i was standing in the middle of a field, i heard that it was ok as long as there is no junction in the road book at that corner...
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Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
Ej poiki I'm very thick in the head...and ya' know, I have seen my whole life a million misunderstandings --90% minor, 30% funny, all based on slight nuances of non-native speaker on one side or even better 2 non-native speakers speaking 3rd language....
Road
Roadway
Right of Way
Chausee
weg
väg
veg
tie
Are all these the exact same thing..
See, spoken language we make little unconscious adjustments because we want to understand the other person...so we're so to say not toooooo picky
Lotta you guys understand my rusty ol' 70s Swedish both as written and the rude jokes underlying because we're OK people just yacking about WRC or as a friend came up with (he's from Texas but didn't like the Prez) the Dubya Arsey...
So just talking all those things pretty much the same.... But strictly speaking a RIGHT of WAY means something....and a roadway means something slightly different from a Road---or we wouldn't have the different words..
Now we know most Aussie are permanently beer-ed to near death, its the only way to dela with the heat and the sodding huge nasty FLIES!!! so while they're sitting round the table, pissed as a preist, they may not be expressing themselves in a 100% clear way.....people TEND to try and write "Proper!" and usually get into trouble that way..
What I'm saying is LITTLE is clear at second glance..The organiser should have at the bottom written
DON'T CUT!
We finished, got 3rd in National 4wd series in the Evo 9. Had a few problems early on Bucca stage with broken rear different bolt so we cruised through the rest of the stage and the next. Fixed it at service and got through ok.
Tanaks accident stopped Bucca 2 stage and they weren't going to re green the stage after a 45 min stoppage so all the drivers made the decision not to do the stage unless it was greeted. So it was a transport then.
Atko was shafted by his team. Tyre choice hurt him big time and he just did what he was told all week. Disappointing that he wasn't allowed to make his own setup choices. It seemed more to be test session for Hyundai.
Anyway now into Safari mode, heading to Western Australia for the Australasian Safari this Wednesday.
Ray
Good run , the stages looked good on the bits that were on tvQuote:
Originally Posted by raybak
How did times compare with WRC field Ray? Shame that your national championship cannot run in conjunction with the WRC field, and let you guys mix it with the main field. One of the downfalls of the new WRC that needs remedying.Quote:
Originally Posted by raybak
In 2013 in Russian championship leg several times champion Zhigunov made "a liitle cuts":Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1OB-iBXTo0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFKgPPx4Y1M
There were a lot of discussions (very similar to those in this tread) about it, but no further decisions were made.
As for me, I support penalizations for things like these, otherwise it may turn rally into an - "find the best available shortcut", absurd.
Meeks punishment was way over the normal limit. In my mind, Mikkelsens extremely stupid cut was punsihed with proper way. As a rally driver you must have some respect to the local people. You are not doing much damage when you cut from the grassland or from the wasteland but through the potato field (you can get only one crop from that field in a year).. it is idiotic. Andreas learned it in a hard way that it is not allowed. Meeks situation was completely unfair. Some heavy oral reprimand from the organizers would have been fair.
Yeah, I guess some of Mikkelsen's fine went to the farmer
Does anyone know what was the total cost of the damage to the vines at Rallye Deutschland? Did the event insurance cover this or do the teams have to pay for the damage their driver caused? And will the insurance be available for next year?
All the FIA events must have insurances for the third parties (that means landowners, grape owners, house owners etc.).All the costs will be coverd. Total cost is business secret for insurance company.Quote:
Originally Posted by semsem
Some of the smoother stages we were just off Friserio's times, we are running Kumho's which are a lot slower than all the WRC tyres. The stages this year were the roughest i have seen them, the good stuff was very good and the bad very bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by gravelman
We would love to be able to run on the same tyres as the WRC field but we have a control tyre.
Ray
Didn't bother to follow thw rally too closely dunring the weekend, but having sewn the fottage of Meeke's cut I strongly feel that the penalty was unfair and not justified. There has been far more severe incidents before and there was no danger to anyone.
Why are they trying all they can to kill all the thrill from a sport that is already getting less and leas exciting
Well I read some posts talking about the semantics of the rules regarding Meeke's cut so downloaded the FIA regulations myself.
14.2 ROAD BOOK
All crews will receive a road book containing a detailed description of the itinerary. This itinerary and the road direction diagrams must be followed. Any deviation will be reported to the Stewards.
Does not say anything in that about cutting corners. If it did Ogier would have been fined for Germany SS1 when he set off first and put his wheels in the mud on virtually every corner to dirty the road for those behind.
On a tarmac section if cutting is not allowed it should read something like: "A driver must not allow his vehicle to leave the tarmac surface of the road" or "At no time must a driver allow the vehicle to have more than x wheels of his vehicle off of the surface of the road in corners on either the left or right side of the finished tarmac.[not meaning jumps, the sides of the road]."
and on another point, I have no idea about Europe, but on a land map in Australia the actual road is usually many many metres either side of the surface that is used to drive on. The land map is provided to determine who actually owns the piece of land that is being used as a thoroughfare. In cities for instance, the footpath is included in the thoroughfare and a landowner does not 'own' their footpath. It is their responsibility to maintain it to allow non motorised access.
I really enjoyed Rally Australia - the event is improving every year. Shame that Latvala chose the wrong tyres for the second loop on Saturday, he was looking very fast out on the stages. The VWs are in a league of their own at the moment, Kris Meeke is the next best. Mads just seemed to be over driving the car, may have been setup related? A good performance by Paddon, has taken a mature approach and has put in some great times.
A quick video review of the weekend can be found here - http://youtu.be/LuLk4AyfhUc
Photo gallery can be found here - http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.p...0&fotograf=311
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