Evans hinges on Red Bull, I think. Are they completely going from M-Sport with Ogier or still willing to back Evans too.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
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Evans hinges on Red Bull, I think. Are they completely going from M-Sport with Ogier or still willing to back Evans too.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I think Evans said in some interview that he doesn't have the financial backing to buy himself a seat in WRC, but that ofcourse doesn't directly answer the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
my opinion
Citroen: Ogier,Lappi,Ostberg,( Loeb\Qassimi 1 or 2 races)
Hyundai : Neuville,Mikkelsen,Sordo
Toyota: Tanak,Meeke,Latvala
M-Sport : Suninen,Paddon,Breen ( Evans wirh R5,few race with WRC )
Some source claimed that in 2017 DMack paid the car expenses to M-Sport and Red Bull supplied Evans's personal salary, but I don't remember where I read this so it should remain just as a rumor. And although Red Bull is the main sponsor of M-Sport and Ogier, they are still supporting drivers in many teams (Neuville, Rovanperä etc)Quote:
Originally Posted by tomhlord
Ah yes, this is a good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Also, it still interests me that up until this year at least (and he may still do, TBC) Evans had a full-time job in his father's Suzuki and Ford dealership. I don't think he's ever got the point of having a 'full' salary in WRC yet.
I don't understand this Lappi to Citroen move. He did well in Toyota, Toyota is a fast car, he is Finn in a Finnish team, everything seems to be okay. Is it about money or something else?
Why not Lappi to Ford as number 1?
The "Iceman" uf rally looks to have the head for a number 1 seat.
money it seems to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcco
i see no other reason as well.
Pretty cheap lineup, but also relatively unproven.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Any chance at all to see Latvala back at MSport?
Finns can still fall out with Finns...Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcco
Tänak went to Toyota for money and cause he didn't want to act as 2nd driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Why is Lappi going to Citroen for money and cause he doesn't want to act as 3rd driver so different?
Q: Why is Lappi going to Citroen for money?Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
A: for more money.
Money. And something else.
He is not 3rd driver in Toyota. Really think after having a better season then Latvala, being faster than Latvala they would tell him that he is third driver after Latvala?Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
He is switchg from nr 2 driver in Toyota to nr 2 driver in Citröen.
I think Toyota has one #1 driver, Tanak. After him, no what so ever talk about numbers...
From the comments he made in Finland and Turkey about the stalling on breaking it certainly sounded like he felt was not listened to.
There are other factors as well. Toyota top management in Japan (alleged to favor JML over Lappi), the chemistry between Mäkinen and Jouhki/Veiby, and who knows what else. I think it's pretty clear we don't know the whole story as 1) Lappi has publicly stated he would like to remain at TGR and 2) contract has been confirmed to be given to Lappi to sign. And yet he seems to be heading to Citroen. For money - sure, but more than likely there's something else as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by krissucool
Deal is not yet confirmed right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Flag of Finland in Elena twitter post was the main source not? Latvalla is also from Finland..
Is this actually a serious post?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
You haven't been following the silly season, have you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Duvel
you answered your question yourself here.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
like many others, I dont also get why he is leaving, i would understand it if he was nr.1 at Citroen. But hey, they know their things better than us.
Lappi has apparently been given the future of Citroen. Bide his time, develop and he'll be the man who keeps Citroen in the series post Ogier.
He's quite disheartened by how dominant Tanak has been in the same car, with a year's less experience in the Yaris. Im sure there's a few other reasons on top of that he's not totally happy at Toyota, but it is what it is. A big pay rise is maybe enough at his age to leave one team for another and who can blame him? Money talks
I don't believe that Ogier will retire after these two next seasons. If he will be in fight for more titles he will surely not leave at at the peak of his career.
He'll win a title with Citroen and go for another team to win the title with. Which will make him indisputable n1 of all times.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
How does it make it "indisputable"?Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
OuchQuote:
Originally Posted by AL14
Did Wilson say that M-Sport are considering retiring from WRC on the rally forum tonight?
Rumours are floating around that they are, i missed most of it. Just heard him saying at the end how he could possibly leave this sport after the drama in Turkey...
Here's the source https://www.rallye-magazin.de/wrc/ar...g-von-m-sport/Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
I don't think he will retire though... He will find a way
Actually he's not that young (3 years older than Suninen, 1,5 years younger than Mikkelsen).Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
And he already said last year that he feels he went to WRC too late. Probably low on patience to wait at Toyota.
Which brings up a related issue. In 2017 he was supposed to start from Monte, but Latvala came due to VW exit and he had to wait out 5 rallies. Another reason not to be happy there.
Worrying rumour about M-Sport's WRC future, or lack of it. But if I had to put my money on, it would be on them staying.
BTW, the other info from tonight's Forum was Breen stating he was still in talks but confident of a WRC programme next year. He's not sure where though, so he must have more than one option.
Listen carefully to Craig Breen around the 44 minute mark. He had gone to see his family's Metro 6R4 (Paraphrasing) "when I got a text from Pierre saying that we are announcing Seb to join for next year. So I filled the tank and came back 1hr30 later, I vented my frustration on the back roads in the 6R4."Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Why would Ogier joining Citroen be frustrating? Unless of course, that means the budget doesn't stretch for a third car and corroborating the rumour that's Breen is looking elsewhere.
Wasn’t he the guy that guaranteed Ogier would retire last year?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Btw: how much can a manager/investor like Jouhki or Veiby (in the case he also advanced cash on an early stage) dictate their drivers future signing choices? Somehow it’s hard to think Lappi would voluntarily leave Toyota just for a bigger check.
PS: fingers crossed for MSport; they’re an iconic WRC team.
This is one big reason I have also heard.. especially lots of people seem to have a hard time getting along with the debuty managing director..Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Last year Tänak voluntarily left the team that won both championships to Toyota which basically only had top speed in Finland. For money and better position in the team. If Lappi leaves it's not much different, dispite what Tänak fanboys say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Many of us have thought that the conditions and salary in Toyota are very good. But did Tänak also mention that Toyota's and M-Sport's salary was not that different. I wonder if the factory backing does not reflect in drivers' salary and was Latvala maybe overpaidQuote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Please Tommi, just show her the door.Quote:
Originally Posted by AMSS
Not so easy when they wake up in the same bed every morning.. :) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
You really believe this?Quote:
Originally Posted by dnb
I can say the difference is huge
I can`t remember him saying that, i remember him saying that he didn`t make that choice only because of money, but because of the role in the team and which parts whose car got.