Whats going to Happen at Mercedes

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Originally Posted by Big Ben

That makes no sense. It can't be a hissy fit and mind games at the same time.

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough about that. I have absolutely no intention to take you seriously on that. However you got it slightly wrong. I perceived Lewis pathetic on scene.

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It can if the anger is used with a known outcome. Lewis would have known as he made the comments that it would upset Rosberg to some degree. It's not complex behavioural science.

Your second point was opinion based on an assumption then. If you had said that in the first place it could have been given the ignorance it deserved from my point of view.

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Originally Posted by Big Ben

Wait a minute, I thought Lewis was just being shrewd and playing mind games with Nico. Now you come and say he was justifiably hysterical?

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Again I think I've answered that. Lewis would have known how damaging his comments could have been. If I argue with somebody and raise my voice, I generally know it will upset them and cause their mood to be affected for a period of time, just for example. Is that hard to understand?

People think Nico on purpose or just accident. There no real proof one way or other way so it up to individual opinion. Yes?

Point 1 - Nico very good Pilot. Make very few mistakes and in F1 mistake almost always cost time, places, results. Very, very rare mistake end up in benefit to that Pilot. Yes?

Nico make 2 'mistake' this year against Lewis and net result is 32 point advantage over Lewis because of 2 'mistakes'.


Point 2 - There 2 very weak points in contact on F1 car. Front wing end plate and tire sidewall. Minimal contact with tire sidewall from end plate usually result in broken end plate and tire puncture. Car drive ok with minimal loss performance with no end plate. Sometimes go faster. Tire puncture mean loss of all track position at minimum at start race.

No risk for Nico as if he take both car out, he still lead by same margin with next race gone.

I no believe in coincidence. I think always need follow money and Nico benefit massively from every time he make mistake? That very suspicious.

I no believe in coincidence too. Many fancy words in your text is. Hard to understand weird phrasing in these conditions it is.

I've just read what Coulthard had to say on the matter. I was really shocked whose side he took :laugh:. The really funny thing to me is the idea that one driver is entitled to the 'racing line'. They invent silly things like DRS to make overtaking easier and improve the 'show' and then they come up with the imaginary 'racing line'. For some unknown reason one driver is supposed to concede the other this 'racing line'. The only racing line they should acknowledge is the black wide strip of tarmac we call track. If one's to assume that whoever is beside him will just back down and let him take whatever ideal racing line he has in his head than he's taking a risk and should live with the results.

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

I'll take that as a submission on your part because you clearly don't know what the reverse of something is.

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You've shown you can take any fact and twist is, so the only submission on my part is that it's a waste of time attempting to state an opinion that opposes your own in this situation. You've made it clear that you feel anyone that doesn't agree with your assumptions is wrong in your mind. I find it even more comical when you bring mention of the race card into the discussion as if anyone here would be influenced by the color of Hamiltons skin.



I might add that Doc Austin and a few others think the incident was intentional, but have stated that without attempting to insult anyone else that doesn't agree. People such at that will have opinions respected by me even if I don't agree, as they have shown no bias in their decision.

People that attempt to insult or question others, play the race card, and show a trend of defending certain drivers at all costs openly display their bias in the matter and as such I really don't care much what their opinion is, because they are unable to respect the opinion of others.




I especially liked the part where Alonso, one of the most respected drivers on the grid, just made a mistake, while Nico is the tire assassin for lesser contact. Maybe you'll find someone that falls for that view, but it certainly won't be me. :laugh:

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Originally Posted by Big Ben

I no believe in coincidence too. Many fancy words in your text is. Hard to understand weird phrasing in these conditions it is.

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I sorry Mr Ben but you make fun? Why? What part confuse you and I explain if you not have ability to understand or others with more intelligence may translate :)

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Originally Posted by Big Ben

I've just read what Coulthard had to say on the matter. I was really shocked whose side he took :laugh:.

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I no shocked as DC not always first to see intent :laugh: but I agree that DC defend Nico a bit too much.

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Originally Posted by MacFeegle

I sorry Mr Ben but you make fun? Why? What part confuse you and I explain if you not have ability to understand or others with more intelligence may translate :)

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I understand but you find those more intelligent people help translate to you what I say they might.

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Originally Posted by Doc Austin

It's hard to argue anything that Truefan72 had to say.

To me, it's pretty open and shut that you point the car the way you want it to go. I would not think the best way to approach the next corner, which was a left, would be to crank in full right lock. That is, unless your intention was to go to the right, which is where Hamilton was.

I have always admired the way Vettel won fair and never resorted to chopping, blocking or swerving. That's why it never bothered me that he was dominating. Right now he looks pretty ordinary, but of all of them, he would be the one I would worry about the least when going wheel to wheel. I have never seen him do anything unfair

Over the years I've seen Nico swerve the full width of the straight to block an opponent, so I am not surprised that he finally did something like this. Disappointed, certainly, but not surprised. Senna and then Schumacher drove like that for so long that it's become acceptable.

So now, because of Senna and Schumacher, we have a new generation of drivers who seem to think that anything you can get away with is ok, even if it is potentially deadly.

I can't pretend to know what Nico was thinking, but I also can't imagine where else he thought the car was going to go when he cranked the wheel over toward his teammate. There is no possible excuse for him to have done that. Even if he might contend he was trying to slot in behind, I can't believe a guy who is leading the world championship could misjudge a move on his own teammate/"friend" that damm badly.

Again, the best part of the story could have been the two friends having a sporting duel for the championship. Now it seems we are going to have a friendship ruined and a dirty championship. This is the legacy Senna and Schumacher have left for them.

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Doc , you do "point the car the way you want it to go" .
Absolutely true .

Trust between racers is paramount .
Hamilton and his fans are upset that his race was ruined .

What we need to understand is that I believe Nico felt that the only thing he could trust in a situation like this is that Hamilton would assume he would back out , even though he had his wheel at Lewis's sidepod only moments before .
There was absolutely no attempt to even allow for the possibility that Nico would be there .

With that nefariously characterized turn to the right , it set Nico on a reasonable trajectory for completing the turn with Lewis on the inside .
But , simply , Lewis didn't allow for this possibilty only split seconds earlier .
He would have had to lift with , or even before Rosberg had , to make it whilst leaving room for his team mate .

He didn't , and his team mate showed him he can't just assume that any more .

Sure , it was deliberate , but it wasn't meant to take him out .
Nor was it "clumsy" , as it has been called .
That is , unless you count both drivers in on that .

Nico put his car in danger intentionally , as you should be able to do if you can trust your opponent to leave you space to race him , and made the point that Hamilton never had any intention to leave him that space .

Lewis was on the inside of the first part of the chicane, how else was he supposed to leave room? When you are on the inside, you have to take the straightest line through the middle of the 'S'. The only other option would have been to brake harder and lose about 20mph by going right and allowing Rosberg the optimal line. Why would he compromise the chicane for a guy that was behind him and only briefly partially alongside in early braking? The fact of the matter is Lewis had to use the racing line through the corner and Rosberg was expected to realise he had lost the corner about 20 feet further back. Nico was 100% at fault and I can't even entertain how Lewis can pick up any responsibility.

Negotiating a corner at a those speeds demands respect from both drivers and the one on the outside and behind has even more responsibility to not crash into the other guy. We might expect a complete moron like Maldonado to pull a move like that but not an intelligent driver like Nico.