This was said also after Canaria and we know how it went after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
But I’m very happy he finally got the win, should have got it also last year
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This was said also after Canaria and we know how it went after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
But I’m very happy he finally got the win, should have got it also last year
Provisional standings:
1 Evans 176
2 Rovanperä 173
3 Ogier 163
4 Tänak 163
5 Neuville 125
I guess the car is far more gentle on the tires, also could it be the setup?Quote:
Originally Posted by CeskyOndra
It's just odd that all 3 Hyundais were matching the Toyota's pace and all 3 got multiple punctures on this type of rally, shame it killed a great rally and great fight.
Congrats to Kalle, amazing just amazing!
It's a better result than I feared for Evans at the end of day one. I'd have taken fourth (from second on the road, with Ogier entered) if you offered it to me before the start.
He beat Neuville and Fourmaux, which is what I really want for this season.
And 3 seconds behind Ogier whilst cleaning for him is very respectable. You might (or might not) say Evans did better of the two.
Also good rally for Katsuta on the quiet.
But Rovanpera... oh boy.
"Fairy tale finish" of the rally, they said. Agree.
All Hyundai and all Toyota drivers got a stage win, 8 different stage winners.
What a great rally!
Oliver fastest on PS by 2,8 secs to Lindholm.
so Ogier and Tänak starting from zero after Ogier announced he will go for the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
for me those two are the favourites, they have been the class so far this season up to rally finland, yeah they werent here but thats just one event.
remains to be seen if this was a one off from Kalle again like with Canary or he really found something.
Evans will open the road again now and his speed overall hasnt been so good on gravel except finland, his results so far on gravel events have been 6-7, and if you actually put Neuville and Fourmaux in front without punctures then he would have been 6-7 again.
anyway, will be interesting the next two rallies where we will get a lot of answers.
I would not count Evans and Rovanperä off anyway - they both are strong, especially Rovanperä. Every rally is new from setup-wise to work with Hankook, and we never know who figures it out fastest. We should remember what kind of domination in the Canary.
That is not true. 5 min penalty for changing the engine after scrutineering is gone. Rally1 cars also can change engine during the rally without penalty...Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Boyd
This command centre was nonsense from beginning...Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
I’m confused nowQuote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Fourmaux retired instead of finishing, Tänak got 10th place overall - 1 point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tauri_J
Just checked times - even if Tänak could not have a puncture on powerstage, he could be out of powerstage points and it was clear after 1st run, that he is out of Sunday points.
I expect Hyundai to put a big fight in Paraguay, 3 cars all with greater start positions compared to rivals plus the car has a performance in that type of terrain.
@ElfynEvans
Today started really well but the 2nd pass of the Power Stage didn’t go as well. That was disappointing as it means a big points swing.
Like I said my fellow countryman, next rallies will give us answers.Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
So far Evans and Kalle have struggled until Finland on gravel events.
This one was extra special...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GxbMfTxX...pg&name=medium
Good job by Kalle, finally he got the Finland win. Key of the championship to me is if he found something on gravel with Hankook and how fast he'll be in South America.
Not surprised to hear Ogier going for the title, didn't believe for a second that he doesn't care for the 9th title, as we saw last year.
Shame for Neuville, it could have been his best Rally Finland, but Hankook tyres just don't want him to do good.
We saw way more punctures for Hyundai than for Toyota. Could it be something related to set up or to the car itself, that can make it more Hankook puncture prone?
2 punctures in the same corner for Neuville and Fourmaux I would say was just unlucky and there is a clear cause for that - I can not see it to be related to the setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
Today's punctures for Tänak and Fourmaux are something to investigate, Munster got a puncture as well.
I don't know how clear the cause is, Fourmaux said there was nothing, Neuville said it could have been a stone on the line but didn't even feel any impact. Kalle said he was surprised that the 2 Hyundai got punctures, because he saw nothing that could cause one on the stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
It can be all down to setup, tyre pressure and etc
In case of Tänak the Estonian commentators had a good point that the speeds went so crazy on second pass of ouninpohja that it could have been too much to handle for the tyre. Plus all the landings from the crests on one side of the car and other side of the car in the wheels
It could be sheer bad luck. But if not there may be serious questions to answer for Hankook for the first time this season.
Durability has been their strength so the punctures (rather than the tyre coming off the rim) are a surprise on smooth roads. Delamination is also unacceptable on the second stage of a day.
I don't see Kalles father at the finish.
Strange rally in some ways, many guys drove very well and didn’t get what they deserved.
Rovanpera was great, found the gravel speed and showed us his normal self, pleased he finally got his Finland win.
Katsuta, good job, fast and no errors.
Ogier is Ogier. He’s still fast and relentless.
Evans, excellent performance. Looked like he enjoyed it as well.
Pajari, a bit underwhelming although he set a few scratch times. Might be harsh as he looks like he is driving under instruction.
Neuville, great drive, bad luck.
Fourmaux, great drive, bad luck.
Tanak, road position put him under pressure and then he crashed. I’m sure some of his stages were good even if the times don’t show it, but not his best performance.
Sesks, pretty good considering his lack of experience here and super unlucky with the windscreen.
McErlean, pretty solid. I think he’s showed us already he has a higher potential than Munster
Munster, nice guy, but just not quick enough at this level.
Lol
Quote:
The Driver of Car No. 17 usedinappropriate language during the post event “Meet the Crews” session at podium.
Decision: To impose a warning on the Driver SÉBASTIEN OGIER.
Reason: ....... in which he stated:
“remembering one year ago the shit feeling all we had.”
Should have got 5 minutes at least
Wheel rims are another area Hyundai could be looking at.
Just looking at some photos i've taken and i mentioned it to a photographer at Myhinpa on Friday, i think although i don't know for sure , i reckon they are runing very low tyre pressures due to the Hankooks being so hard. But then sure it's always the tyres fault " I didn't hit anything" is what they always say .......
Harri was at the finish, i seen himQuote:
Originally Posted by spyros
Your first sentence is so true of many rallies, as we always say " Thats Rallying"Quote:
Originally Posted by doubled1978
I had both Toyota and Hyundai radios on my radio all weekend and was listening, i have been for the past 30 odd years and not much has changed, if anything major is happening they go to their phones. The only thing i heard this weekend was Scott on the radio after Vastilla about a corner just after the start with a large stone, other than that just stage start times and finish times ........Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
OK - the 5 minutes has gone, but you're only allowed two engines for the whole season.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Article 16.1 only allows an engine change before TC0.
Art. 16.1.3 says you can't change the engine after the start of the competition.
I wonder if Toyota run a different tyre pressure to the other teams. Lower pressure could leave the tyre more likely to be knocked off the rim bead and could increase the chance of overheating at high speeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by philippebugalski
yep, this is what the two estonian commentators (both are rally drivers) also have been saying, they go too low with the tyre pressures to get more grip out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by satnav
but the Tänaks case deifnitely has to be investigated, i mean its dangerous if it deliminates at such a speed and place.
But like i said, Hankook doesnt have experience with such a speeds and loads so far. (average speeds over 130km/h). im sure they got a lot of experience from estonia and finland for next year.
But article 17.1.3 allows Rally1 cars to change engine betweenpre-rally scrutineering and the end of the rally. Without any penalty...Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Boyd
I heard on WRC+ several times that there is a minimum tyre pressure teams have to adhere to. And surely Hankook wouldn't advise this pressure on a high speed event.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Also with the Neuville and Fourmaux punctures, Tanak said it was some bedrock which he went over sideways. Maybe the others hit it full on.
Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
It only applies to cars scoring manufacturer points, so if you keep changing the drivers nominated for points you get more engines to use. Toyota seem to be doing this but Hyundai don't!
I tried to send you a Message Per but the message board is down again .......Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
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