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Hopefully you get to see the multiple ironies of me using the 'casual British racism' phrase. For sure you are reading words that aren't there.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
The point was you don't revive a dormant brand of old and expect the older generation consumers who remember them to only remember the rally cars. Sure, younger fans know those cars from Youtube and videogames. Who cares? They won't be buying them. Although, that's actually a better market strategy for the Lancia brand lol.
Maybe a Lancia thread is needed.
Edit: Can I interest anybody in an MG EV https://www.mg.co.uk/ ?
BEV SUV with an MG badge? Nope. Lightweight sportscar with a bit of rough british charm and an MG badge? Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Maybe the enthusiast is talking out of me, but I suppose lancisti would rather see the brand dead than another attempt to cannibalize the name for another unworthy product devoid of any Lancia quality/uniqueness (yet another something something crossover). Personally I'm a huge alfisti, but i couldn't care less about their products if they are "germanized" saloons and stupid utility vehicles with the ZF 8 speed.
I just think you give too much weight to the stereotype you believe and assume that so many people do as well, to the degree that Lancia or another Italian manufacturer is hopeless to sell to anybody, as foreigners would despise it because it's Italian - and therefore unrealiable trash made by mafia.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
I know about motorsport and its history, can't say I'm an expert in marketing strategies and sales. I imagine a lot depends on what cars would Lancia start making again. I'm aware that fans who know the Lancia name will not be big numbers in the great scheme of things, but I think you greatly overestimate the amount of people who would never buy whatever car they would make just because there's written "Lancia" on the logo.
Just over 3 months after this article: https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/is-th...-rally-mexico/
This morning I see this: https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/rally...rc-return-bid/
So perhaps all is not lost for Rally Mexico’s future in the WRC and maybe if we are lucky we will see it back on the calendar as soon as 2023. Although with the ongoing Covid situation it might take a while before they decide to fill that empty March slot.
Fourmaux helping build new WRC Puma for Sweden after Monte Carlo crash
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/f...crash/8054343/
Here he is https://twitter.com/msportltd/status...420491820?s=21Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Easier to build a new one of these 2022 cars than repair one...
Well repairing is basically building new bodywork so.
"While the car was retrieved, it was deemed quicker to build up an entirely new chassis to compete in Sweden."Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth
Quicker doesn't mean easier or cheaper
It does mean easier .Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth
MW also stated the new car is much harder to repair than the old one.
Hard to believe the new cars would be more difficult to repair than the old.
But building a new chassis might be a lot easier.
if you saw the lay out then you would understand, a delaminated tire could make you super rally so easilyQuote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
An hour long Betsafe interview with Suninen https://youtu.be/roBxnoYEn_Y
At the moment only with Estonian subtitles but I’m quite sure they will add English ones at some point
Good stuff. Thanks for the link. I like these longer Suninen interviews, because he is often honest and to the point, no fillers.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
so did he say something we dont know?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
I'm only halfway through the interview, but there are for example some details how (bad) it was at M-Sport the last years. Like saving costs from catering.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Also, looking at the future, even if he is testing Hyundai Rally2 and supposed to start with them in WRC2 this year, he does not have contract with Hyundai yet.
im also half way through or even less, he did only total 3 test days with the new Ford R5 back in 2019!!! Said that in his opinion it was wrong to go straight to Rally Estonia that year with that R5. This year he has done 6 days alone with the Hyundai R5.
He was supposed to go to Toyota in 2017 but the VW leaving messed it all up and he went to M-sport. It was all good at M-sport until the COVID, after that it was basically money saving project, you could only test if you had the money to pay for Wilson, otherwise not. He was supposed to start Rally Greece with Ford but Malcolm simply didnt have a car because there wasnt enough workforce to prepare the car.
About the new Hyundai test-base, hopes to help them there and says that the roads or one the best around Jämsä and Tänak chose the roads.
He did a simulator tests for M-sport for Rally1 machine but hasnt seen the real machine.
He wasn’t treated nicely in msport last full season year. They couldn’t test and participate on smaller rallies but the team wanted TOP3 results from him. The interviewer then asks if Loeb could have won with the previous generation car Teemu says that it should be clear to all that he could have not.
It was even that bad that they didn’t even have normal breakfasts and meals from the team.
Betsafe seem to be pretty good at this job.
They have the best sports journalist in Estonia doing and creating all the content. The guy is a bright sunny spot in a quite dull scenery. Miles ahead of all the other bunch. Glad to see he's doing stuff in other languages as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
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friend said that one thing was quite interesting.
Mr Kruus asked about the rumour if Hyundai will pull the plug..?
Suninen said that he can't confirm or deny that..
May be that he really doesn't know, but maybe has heard something.
I think it was a double question like "are there tough times at Hyundai, maybe they will quit before the end of the year" and Suninen might have replied to the first part.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
I thought three test days was referring to his WRC season, and he went to Rally Estonia completely without testing the new Rally2 car.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Oh, okay. Thanks for specifying that!Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Anyway, sounds like cool interview. Waiting for English subs.
Well that was a fantastic interview, hats off to everyone involved. The best thing about Suninen (from a fan's perspective) is that he ain't that good at talking BS. Ofcourse he knows what can be said and what not, but he often answers in a way where the audience can atleast get a hint about how things really are, no matter how bold the question would be.
I'm not 100% sure, but was this the first time the "public secret" from 2016 was confirmed, that the original plan (before VW's shock exit) for TGR in 2017 was to run Suninen in the role that was eventually given to Lappi once JML became available?
Btw, regarding the topic that was also briefly touched during the interview, Suninen is just brilliant in his new WRC commentator role on Finnish media outlet CMore. Really looking forward to hear him again in Sweden.
It was so public that did not remember that maybe this was 1st time confirmed :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
It was indeed fantastic, like user Cali said, the guy is above everyone else in Estonia regarding commentating and interviews and journalism.
As Kalle lives also in Estonia, then i hope that the next one is with him. SOme guys in the comment section have also recommended it as next one
Latvala talks about it in the WRC podcastQuote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
At least in Kristian Sohlberg's twitch interview of Suninen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
I remembered it being knowledge without ever openly being spoken about in the media. Whereas Meeke to sign a multi year deal with Toyota in 2016 was more widely spoken about publicly, because Shitroën wanted it known mostly.Quote:
Originally Posted by rp
Citroen managed to persuade Meeke to stay by offering him wrc starts in 16, which they didn't initially want to do.
I bet Meeke regrets his decision - although you can't take away his wins that season. And I guess Suninen is also wondering how differently things could have been if he got in at Toyota too.
Suninen was also offered a seat at Skoda's WRC2 team for 2017, but with the condition that he lets Tidemand win the title.
I've critisiced skoda in the past for trying to manipulate which of their factory drivers wins the titles..., but was shut down on here "as it not being possible".Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
2016 WRC2 scoreQuote:
Originally Posted by er88
Suninen 120
Tidemand 85
Both had the same car, except Suninen’s was prepared by Oreca.
With regards to 2017 Toyota lineup.
Joukhi was Latvalas and Suninens manager (and previously Makinens). While Lappi was managed by Veiby.
So it seems pretty clear that Joukhi "sacrificed" Suninen for Latvala. Hardly a surprising choice on his part.
Don't know about that. If Jouhki was about to sacrifice his own clients he probably would not have been in the biz as long as he has. Maybe he was looking at the "big picture" and with no competitive miles driven with 2017-spec cars, putting Latvala in a Yaris with the prospect of Suninen doing few events in a Fiesta wasn't such bad deal to start with. One thing we have to remember about Jouhki is that even though he has obvious and self-admitted financial targets in rally managering, his family business is worth a lot more than what the rally part could ever produce. I.e. there's no need to try and squeeze the last euro out of every contract each and every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
This was the part that interested me. Teemu mentioned that maybe he talked out too much secrets. Maybe someone heard something interesting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
And about the Betsafe interview then I also think it was very good. And also that Teemu can't talk BS. If the interviewer knew something about the background (for example the breakfast situation in M-Sport) and could describe it something along the lines then Teemu just confirmed it.
And just out of interest, how is Kalev Kruus's Finnish? Sometimes it felt that he is trying to remember some expressions etc but in general it felt smooth.
I didn't catch any secrets as such on the Monte coverage. He was more telling about things like what kind of approach mixed tires require and stuff like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
Smooth is an understatement. Yeah, maybe he was trying to remember some specific catchphrases at times, but it definitely didn't make any difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
The sacrifice was what happened if i don't remember wrong, 2 hours long so couldn't find it nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4Lvk4bQRj0r6Uyggd9JWMj
So the plan for 2017 was Lappi and Hänninen full season and Suninen a partial season?