LOUBET CAN SEE WHERE HE’S LOSING OUT TO TÄNAK
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/loube...-out-to-tanak/
Printable View
LOUBET CAN SEE WHERE HE’S LOSING OUT TO TÄNAK
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/loube...-out-to-tanak/
Add to that Sordo’s success.Quote:
Originally Posted by sinepikohv
As you can read in my statement, I didn't claim that Neuville made Hyundai look good on its own. I asked to look at the three seasons together and what you can see there are the stats you found and that Neuville scored more points (and about three more stage wins) in those three seasons together. They were fairly evenly matched in those times, except I'd claim that Neuville could extract more from the at first lackluster Rally1 in early 2022.Quote:
Originally Posted by sinepikohv
Huttunen had first fuel pressure and then power steering issues in Finland.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Greensmith transmission in Estonia.
Rich the ostrich
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/m-spo...bility-record/
Concludes it very well how journalists spotlight changes the perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Tänak is man of few words with no-filter attitude, maximalist with knowledge what he wants from the car - and if he is not happy, he says it out. And if journalists are not able or do not want or can not to ask questions in any other topic, it feels like there are only problems with the car.
Was it because of shifted-focus (Breen incident) or something else - but I think there were not that much complaining from Tänak in Croatia (this is how I felt, I did not do any stats for that :) )
I don't say that there are no problems - we all see that there are. But like Rich pointed out - everyone have problems and everyone are working to get them solved.
I hope drivers are earning wins because of good driving, not because if (not driver caused) technical failures. But it's technical sport, technical failures are part of it.
Your constant sniping at M-Sport is just what Milllener is talking about. Some people cant wait to jump on them whenever there's an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
They forget that it's not a fully-factory team with unlimited £millions to throw at the car, like Toyota & Hyundai. And that they spent a lot of their budget paying to get Tanak in a Puma, which every fan of WRC should be grateful for...
Millener is refusing to acknowledge in that interview that reliability has been a big issue since they launched the rally1 car. Tanak will be "sniping" for the rest of the season if they can't get on top of all the various niggly (or big issues) they have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
This is the top level, and Millener has already said some questionable things this season (even in regards to the rally2 car, which is apparently more setup issues according to him when they lose time - despite the fact everyone knows the engine has never been good enough and other big developments need to come).
Tanak wants the best
I agree with you.
He sounds like a 5 year old in that interview who denies he stole a candy, although he did
I suggest any rally fan who is able to forget M-Sport's tale of hardship should head down to their Doctor and get their Alzheimer's diagnosed...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Croatia roadbook https://youtu.be/wUrCXYmj_gA
Where does he do this ? I just see him admit (in your face) issues, but stating that others have had issues too.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Indeed... they forget as soon as the there's any kind of issue for M-Sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
Any news about Ford's engine update? I remember reading somewhere that they were supposed to be installed from portugal onwards
Some interesting info from M-Sport's James McMillan interviewed on a podcast after Rally Portugal:
* Tanak and Loubet have very different driving styles and their two gravel set-ups are actually diverging this season.
* Loubet is very comfortable in the Puma and has been since last year. Tanak's set-up is very different to all of last years Puma drivers (Loeb, Breen, Gus).
* His suspension issue (wooden horse) is being worked on by getting Reiger to develop different dampers.
McMillan also said that the public criticism of the car by Tanak at rallies are no problem and have been much worse in private.
still no, Tänak said in an interview that they had new transmission in Portugal which helped a little, also said they tested many new things during Portugal PETQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyest
Yet again
Ofcourse Loubet is comfortable in the car.. at that pace.
Let him push it to next level and he would say different things + maybe start listening what/why Tanak says about the car.
Can you please share link the to the podcast?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Thank you!
Sent from my SM-A705FN using Tapatalk
Loeb wasnt pushing?Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
Last year, all the cars had minimal development, actually, Hyundai had almost zero development in Monte. When you fist develop car, first steps are the biggest, then every development is less significant. In Monte (2022), Puma was far in front, in Portugal, They were very close to being Equal to Hyundai, only Hyundai was falling apart :P By Greece, I would say that Hyundai had passed already and good times came only because of good road positions. By New Zealand, Hyundai had passed and even good road position was not helping. Now Hyundai and Toyota are mostly in fine-tuning phase, time for Puma to catch up a little. Some brave and smart decisions are needed in development and all three cars will be very close to each-other soon. Have seen this process in many years with three different cars and I have quite positive feeling for the future:)Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Yes, it's very interesting that many of us here hardcore fans are so onedimensional when making some assumptions and discussions that they don't even consider all the smaller nuances to get bigger picture intact.
Thanks Bluuford!
Sent from my DN2103 using Tapatalk
I don't share the optimism.
In 2020-2021 was Fiesta on same level as I20 and Yaris? Certainly didn't look like that.
As far as I understand there might be some difference in that the previous cars had many more setup/dif options so that more performance could be gained from a lot of testing.
TÄNAK: M-SPORT ‘ONE YEAR BEHIND’ ITS RIVALS
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/tanak...nd-its-rivals/
Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
I like how Rich always tries to push in the fact the Ford is actually on the same level as rivals, even when Ott clearly says they are very much behind
"“Ott continues to show us what both he and the car can really do,” Millener said."
I think they have come far on gravel since mexico, but clearly still they are not second because the car is good, a lot of luck and because ott has to push the car over the limit to be competitive, and even then Toyota pretty much runs over them.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by trykmann
M-Sport engineer interview starts at 34 minutes in....
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3I0...urce=copy-link
As regards M-Sport gravel car being 'a year behind', it's really because they have had to start all over again with Tanak.
He didn't have 12 months in the car like Rovanpera, Neuville, Evans etc to get used to and develop it to his liking. Plus none of the previous Puma drivers set-ups suit his driving-style.
The amazing roadbook once again https://youtu.be/lpyujqCwGHw
IMO all teams should do something like that. Even Aaron Johnston admitting he is watching them
Waiting for Milleners comments how amazing the car still is and pointing out that others had also problems like Neuville with handbrake problem
I think both Loubet and Tänak would rather have a handbrake problem than the issues they hadQuote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Sent from my M2012K11G using Tapatalk
Waing for FastEddie to comment on how msport are plucky underdogs and Ford dont support them enough, so all these issues are excusable ;). Reality is they have built a tinpot, brittle Puma and havent managed to sort reliability since the cars inception. How Malcolm can say this is the best car theyve built is beyond me. And why Millener isnt under more pressure is alarming......, hes overseeing this mess and there have been no improvementsQuote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
I would’ve sacked Millener long time ago…
I'm not shure its only the puma's fault, rally is a sport that take care of the cars and tires is a big part of the game, some drivers are better than others on that game.
Everyone in M-sport knows that the car is a little weaker than the Toyota, than you can't go 110% all over.
Sent fra min SM-S901B via Tapatalk
Tänak has said in many stage end interviews that he had not been able to go to the limit. What are you referring with 110% all over? Seems like Tänak has held himself back due to the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
If you push over the limits all the time, then you drive at 110% .Quote:
Originally Posted by ferrial
To know where to not push is a part of the game.
Sent fra min SM-S901B via Tapatalk
But the car in Loebs hands did worked fine, and he liked it. So the potential is there.
If they wonder if the level of the Puma is still there, invite him to a test or a rally
So where are the top 2 areas Tanak feel the car needs to get improvements now?
In fact it kept falling apart in Kenya and he had to retire in Greece due to the alternator belt. In Portugal he crashed early in the rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Your perennial 'tin pot' jibe is pathetic. You cant even come up with a new insult. And the only time you show up is to have a dig after an M-Sport problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
M-Sport's situation compared to the financial might of Toyota and Hyundai is a matter of fact and needs no defence from me.
I believe they are doing their best under the circumstances and none of us knows the true complications of building and running these Rally1 cars on a limited budget.
So, we are now at the crucial point of the 2023 championship. Ford and Ott definitely need to step up their game. It's time to deploy whatever updates they have developed for the Puma and maybe call a certain Frenchman to support the campaign. If Rovanpera maintains the current points lead going into Acropolis,he has the title in the bag. Ogier is now nearly out of the picture and a sustained title challenge from Neuville looks a long shot. Kenya, Estonia and Finland are the deciders.