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Originally Posted by AndersX
He said the same last year during one rally if I remember correct, that he and the car don’t match. (i think it was spain maybe?)Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Let’s if the things get better or not. If not then I think this will be his last year in WRC
Seems the only car that REALLY matched him was the 2018-2019 Toyota and we saw the results then.
But overall it seems to me he is a bit overreacting IMO or the interview is done in the heat of emotions. He looked also pretty pissed in Deflis interview after the rally (but cmon, its just 3rd rally with the team and you have a win already under your belt)
It´s nothing wrong with Loubet. He needs same ecucation as every average top driver had in their developments.
As said Kalle, Loeb and Ogier are uniques, and those of you waiting for youngsters success, just be patient.
If Tanak will continue to complain about the car over and over and over again, soon everbody will start to take it with big scepticism. Those decisions about changing teams did nobody else but him self. Possibly with Yaris he would have been multiple champion already. He should have known about the state of Puma when signed the contract. Overall the result is better than it was expected. Better to start to change the topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Yes, but M-Sport was his only option after he quit Hyundai. Lets hope bad luck will stop and we can see some fights. Speed with Puma is there but again bad luck as you saw, only technical failures Rally 1 were at Tänaks Puma... 100% it is bad luck.
Thing is Hyundai had no willingness to adapt the i20 to Tanak's style (allegedly/apparently). M-Sport has every intention to do that with the Puma. We will see where that goes.
Failed turbo is not a luck or bad luck. How many failed turbines have you seen with Toyota and Hyundai? I think this goes down to supply chain, quality control, procedures etc. as soon as you are ought to cut corners because of time or money, these things surface up without any mercy. Possibly I am wrong here, though and this was just a coincidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by KertR
That is why i think that Tanaks PR people need to step up and ask to change the topic. I doubt there is anyone in M-Sport who doubts the purpose and actions or any fan or supporter who does not get that it will take some tome to gel with this car. But if you repeat as broken LP player the same pessimistic message over and over, then it loses creditability and gets opposite reactions.Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
It's also a shame that the 'journalists' who follow the sport are stirring this pot ALREADY, three rallies and not even 1/4 of the year gone - https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/tanak...a-a-mis-match/Quote:
Originally Posted by AndersX
They're the ones driving this narrative. They're every bit as responsible for creating the negativity around the man as he is himself. Instead of asking the obvious questions and sticking their finger in his eye, can they not try to come up with something a bit more nuanced and insightful?
You're right, of course - M-Sport and Team Tanak could and should be more proactive in setting the tone / explaining what topics of conversation are off limits, at least for now. But you'd have hoped the usual hacks who cover the sport would have taken a bit longer to go from wanking on about Ott 'coming home', to the doom and gloom we're already seeing.
Oh please don't be difficult. Shall we disallow all abbreviations?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Do people still buy it? The only car in which Tänak didn't have mystery problems or that didn't fit him was a dominant one. I think that says enough.
Tanak did test the Puma on gravel at M-Sport before he signed and went ahead.
Now he says him and the car are so far apart that he wants a radical change in design philosophy !
He should be keeping such comments behind closed doors.
Exactly! On the side note - i doubt Tanaks team (not M-Sport) are paying to any PR pro - those statements are getting toxic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Actually from the get go he said that changes are needed. And the only thing that pushed him away from Hyundai was the development process. He got that promise from M-Sport but it takes time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
And why's everyone bashing this interview when he says the car is good but not for his driving style. But when you look at some stages it's not that bad at all.
It's his stage end commentaries which are with a bad tone, this interview does sound like an honest assesment about the whole situation.
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This is starting to sound like Auriol and ‘The Feeling’….
Let’s see what MSport can come up with.
Just let me remind you when Tänak got the car to his liking in TGR for JML it became undriveableQuote:
Originally Posted by doubled1978
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Which setup needs Puma to match the style of Ott?Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
I'd argue at least half of it was due to Latvala crumbling under a strong team mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
And other personal issuesQuote:
Originally Posted by becher
I'm not gonna argue :DQuote:
Originally Posted by becher
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I've seen this being repeated time after time without anyone ever showing some hard evidence. Why would they pay millions to hire a world champion if they don't actually want him?Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
Look at it the other way, perhaps neuville is the only driver who is good enough to make the shitty hyundai look good.
Better than Loeb?Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
No, not a chance.
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If Loeb does drive it will only be late in the season.
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/m...ies-/10449787/
Mexico roadbook. Interesting technical talk at 3.00 and Wilson holding his breath during Tänaks PS run at the end of the clip :D
https://youtu.be/gmTCLlr_U5Q
All resources put into Tanak, only for the tinpot car to fail him anyway.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
M.Wilaon says the Puma is still being tweaked to suit Tanak's driving-style. Changes to the diffs and engine are coming but will need homologation (jokers).
i know its easy to judge from behind the computer not knowing the exact reasons but they need to take things more seriously with the cars durability
its understandable if something breaks during the stage but to have the car with problems already since they are leaving service is ridiculous, and too many problems also during the stages for both drivers during 4 rallies
On the other hand, it was good to see they have made progress with both cars performance wise since Monte, i mean Rally1 and Rally2
"At the moment, it feels like the car works well only in a certain small window, and it's still difficult to understand where exactly this sweet spot is," Tänak told reporters in the media zone that the car's settings have not yet been perfected.
According to the Estonian, however, it is so difficult to fight for the title: "So far, we have somehow managed to stay within reach, which is positive in itself, but I am quite sure that it will not last forever if we do not find the speed to fight with our competitors," explained Tänak.
How did you get to that conclusion when Ott finished in front of Neuville in 2 out of his 3 seasons at Hyundai?Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Look at all seasons together and check who was leading the team when the Rally1 was still underdeveloped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kras
for me it is noble desire, puma will never be at the level of yaris or i20.
Bittersweet podium for Tanak in Croatia...
https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2023/wrc...eet-for-tanak/
Sounds like some progress at least.
From performance point of view, gifts from Rovanperä (puncture), Ogier (puncture + penalty), Neuville (crash from the lead) gave them 3 places. Without all those mentioned ones he could be 5th and the sweetness could be gone from the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Tänak have said it many times - they somehow have managed to deliver results, but one can not expect this to continue without improving performance/reliability.
But some improvements for sure, especially in the fast and flowing roads.
i expect them to struggle in slow gravel rallyes like sardinia, greece etc...
Personally, I think on gravel Tanak will be ok so long as the car remains reliable, that’s a big if currently.Quote:
Originally Posted by spyros
Speedwise slow gravel has been the best surface for the car.
Reliability seems at same poor level on all surfaces.
do we have reliability issues from fast gravel events?Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
I think most reliability issues are not surface specificQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
different surfaces and conditions give pressure to different components of the car. But I don't recall any faults in the Puma in Estonia or Finland last year. Tarmac is smooth but the forces from the high grip put strain on the car. Technical gravel is bumpy with rocks and also usually very hot and dusty. Fast gravel rallies have jumps but typically less acceleration and braking, and less cooling problems due to bigger airflow and typically less heat.Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
I think it applies to all surfaces. When he started going fast and winning stages in Croatia the Puma started breaking. In Mexico the car broke pretty much at the start.Quote:
Originally Posted by doubled1978