They already said they've signed a contract for being included in the calendar in 2024 with an option for 2025 so let's hope they'll listen & swap Friday & Saturday's stages.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
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They already said they've signed a contract for being included in the calendar in 2024 with an option for 2025 so let's hope they'll listen & swap Friday & Saturday's stages.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
So Rovanpera has been struggling all season with personal problems. Its ominous for the others that he now leads the Championship after only just overcoming them.
And Tanak is now second despite his ongoing issues with the Puma. Again ominous for the rest when he gets the car how he likes.
Neuville was unfortunate here but this also showed that the Hyundai and Toyota cars have unreliability too. Lappi's turbo looked to have failed at the end and Katsutas Yaris also broke its alternator early on.
Evans cant afford any more mistakes to have any hope of challenging Rovanpera this year and maybe to keep his future seat in the Toyota.
Like I said, I lost interest on Saturday. For me the rally has to have a complete package which fell short when Evans crashed and 3 Hyundais had their own rally within the rally. We had then 5 cars and then also Loubet retired which was the last straw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Just couldn't get hooked anymore after that. I do confess that I had some duties with kids as well but usually I try to sneak a stage here and there but this time around I just lost the will.
Take it as a whining if you like and I'm also shocked that the interest just fell off but this the way it is.
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A bad mistake if true...
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/neuvi...turbo-failure/
Well, Can anybody tell me when the manufacturers score rule become to the driver out of top 10 can also score for manufacturer,Like today Katsuta's six position
Just 450 inputs in this tread tells everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Sorry to say, but the coolest motorsport around is not in its best shape.
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Greensmith outscored Loubet from WRC2 :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Ages ago :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 1988senna
well it's my mistake, is WRC the only motor race that has this kind of manufacturers score rule ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom K
Half as many as the Rally Portugal 2022 thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
Have things changed that much in a year ? 2023 was supposed to be the best WRC season, with elite drivers in each of the Teams...
Too few Rally1 cars with lots of retitrments.
Great Rally2 entry was ruined by almost everyone having a puncture on Friday. Quite boring after that bare the WRC2 Solberg catchup today.
I think it's due to the fact most of us have become jaded to the WRC's situation and B) I'm thinking we all expected Tänak to do some sort of Ogier, 2017-2018 style, if they get the car right (& in time) we might still get that this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
It wasn´t me saying you were whining. But I stated that you were wrong about the PS today. It was very exciting moments. But you didn´t see them... still you had statement of PS...Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
I remember well. I've been following this forum for years despite not being so active here. 1000-2000 replies was usualQuote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
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Gus Greensmith showing how reliability is an issue for many makes of car:
Victory at Rally De Portugal after 3 days & 325km of … a puncture, a water leak, a mechanical issue and a power steering issue all whilst fighting an in-form @OliverSolberg01 with everything I had.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShGSsMzPaCU
Dirtfish's summary, the most interesting part (imho) was the murmurs they said they heard in Hyundai this weekend, I'm guessing regarding the third's car driver from Estonia onward.
The only statement I had for PS was that I wasn't even bothered to watch it. That means I didn't even plan to be close to the TV. I haven't seen it and by the looks of it was funQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
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I also diled down my time spent on WRC+ this weekend - as soon as all the mess with tyre lottery started, i lost my interest. I rememmber that during Swe event i was trying to catch every second; but 8 WRC1 cars at the start and dropping out like milk teeth to kids is killing it. Sundays are parrody; immediate actions by FIA would be required.
Vodafone Rally de Portugal Post-Event Press Conference:
https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-vodafon...ess-conference
8 WRC1 cars at the start is laughable.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndersX
For me, just make WRC2 the top class, all 3 manufactures in WRC1 have cars, or will have, and then we have Citroen and Skoda as well. Factory teams, private teams, everybody running the same kit. I bet we would have 20+ competitive cars every event. EMI tyres.
Not too many Km’s on Sundays, waste of time. That 20km stage today was a waste of everybody’s time, should have spread those Km’s over the other days.
WRC needs to wake up and smell what it’s stepping in
have you seen WRC event in real at any time? as you your talk sounds like TV expert opinion... In REAL world wrc1 car you can not even compare with wrc2 car, last year I've seen 7 wrc events and trust me - after wrc1 cars even best wrc2 drivers looks/sounds so boooooring... you need quantity or quality? pure TV sofa experts....Quote:
Originally Posted by doubled1978
If WRC1 cars are so great, why isn't anbody interested in them? Why are there only 8 in the whole world? Why is the interest in WRC dropping?Quote:
Originally Posted by drive
I agree that if you first see wrc1, then wrc2, the last can be less spectacular, but if you see only wrc2's driven in anger , that is quite a spectacle. Its not like grN subarus and evo's...
A Rally2 based championship will get 30-40 cars, and 10 of them challenge for the top spots.
That, and some free to air stuff, is the thing WRC need.
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10000 Euro fine for Neuville because no time card has been handed out at the stop control of SS17.
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You forget a couple of things:Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
1) Free to air tv isn’t interested in showing the WRC.
2) Even if it was just Rally2 cars, the manufacturer teams wouldn’t allow any privateers to beat them.
Sofa expert? WRC2 boring? Wow, you sound about 10 years old….Quote:
Originally Posted by drive
I’ve been watching rallying live for nearly 50 years mate. Everyone thought when we went from Group B to Group A it would be the end of rallying, and guess what….it was fantastic. If everyone is in WRC2 cars, they won’t seem slow because you won’t be comparing them to anything faster..it’s not complicated.
It’s pointless having amazing cars if there are only 8 of them and half of them don’t finish. What the hell is the point of walking miles into the countryside to watch 4/5 cars driving at top speed as for the power stage today?
That sort of value for money will kill the sport dead.
My thoughts on current WRC
I’m not interested in these cars. I can’t explain what it is but they’re just not interesting to watch. The 2017 WRCs I thought were incredible, and I presumed the hybrids would be just those cars but allow them to do all road sections in EV de. They didn’t need the extra boost during a stage as they were fast enough, and the road section green credentials would be fairly impressive. At the moment it’s almost a complete waste of time.
I used to be a massive WRC fan and would go and watch several rounds a year even going to Australia. But I’ve not been since Finland 2017 and wouldn’t have any great enthusiasm to go to another event, maybe one day if I was on holiday in the area, but rallying wouldn’t be the focus of the trip.
I was keen to watch Mexico so signed up for WRC+, then continued for another month to see the Breen stuff in Croatia, but I watched half a stage in Portugal and don’t feel I missed anything.
Safari is slightly different as i compete there, but I’ve been doing that for several years before the WRC went back there, and would probably be visiting anyway.
Just a technical note for those born in the previous millennium:Quote:
Originally Posted by J4MIE
Nobody needs TV channels as platform for showing or watching free broadcasts.
Lack of competition killed the interest to follow the rally and the thread. Few Rally1 cars plus attrition means there was no story of this rally. And WRC2 puncture lottery was the joke of the year.
People talk about formats and gimmicks to get attention to WRC, i think it's the lack of competition. If there is nothing to play for why should someone follow? The cars are cool but i can watch some good fan videos tomorrow in my lunch break.
Does anybody know more about the Rovanperä personal issues? Was anything in the finnish media about this?
- Neuville got 10000 euros fine for not handing in timecard after SS17, usually it would be retirement/time penalty but well, stewards twisted the rules a bit.
- Sordo got 1000 euros fine for wearing RedBull cap instead of Pirelli's on podium.
- B. Bulacia got 2min penalty for using 27 tyres instead of allowed 26. (didn't change overall result too much tho)
- and yet Solberg got 1min time penalty straight away for donuts :) :)
The timecard thing should result in disqualification indeed. However it's a bit similar like that time with Ogier in Sardinia (2017 I think), where they let it go that way, to not ruin the championship I guess... The matter about Solberg could be questioned indeed. Sometimes you have the exact same infraction in different events, with completely different penalties/fines. I guess it depends on what's on the menu of the day, for FIA stewards...
For Solberg the rule article says that he should get a minimum 5 min penalty. So they actually broke the rules themselves by only giving 1 min.
That the rule is stupid is something else. Once it is there it is equally stupid to break it.
People understandably get upset because of the Solberg penalty, but between the finish and the TC you don't want drivers doing any funky stuff on normal stages and without a exception for SSS it is what it is.
Organizer are short of money.
The sport is on distress.
I thought the FIM stewards in MotoGP were inept; but these are just as bad.....The timecard is the record of your event, it's been part of the sport almost from the start. He should be annulled from the results.....The championship fight should have no bearing on penalties....Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
In Sardinia 2018(?) Ogier/Ingrassia forgot the time card to TC but Ott brought it to them to the next TC. Is it a rule breach? Reversing to the TC would have been.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
As he was starting first, there was more time to show his suffering through the stage for a longer time...Quote:
Originally Posted by Katvala