Yeah... Kubica style ;) Anyway it's second test session before Monte for M-Sport and they have dry or damp conditions which are just part of MC. Little snow can really surprise them.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
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Yeah... Kubica style ;) Anyway it's second test session before Monte for M-Sport and they have dry or damp conditions which are just part of MC. Little snow can really surprise them.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Sordo testing the new i20. The car looks too 'boxy' to me with the new livery
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYgl5bLWsAAZIuU.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYgwDjRWYAE4uKW.jpg
@DaniSordo very fast at Monté test but crashed the car, crew OK
https://twitter.com/Traxx_WiF/status/686868569288753152
Ha, that's interesting, Dani is not crash prone especially on tarmac maybe he was trying really hard to see where are the limits of the car and trying to battle the all mighty VW.Quote:
Originally Posted by René
Mads testing
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYg98uiWEAAO6E3.jpg
I just wonder, how badly he damaged new i20. Does anybody know? And how will that affect on Neuville test.
he continious the test,so nothing seriousQuote:
Originally Posted by maciotacio
Eric Camilli @EricCamilli
Working on pacenote for our 1st WRC race@nicokcodriver
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYiQz9sWQAAdgfL.jpg
nice shot!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
On that Sordo test vid the New i20 looks like it's gliding over the road surface.. Nice.
not at this one thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
https://youtu.be/a5N2WG1kup4
It looks for sure faster than 2015 car but it's completely different than Polo. Anyway it seems to be spectacular car :)
And looks like to have quite a bit of torque out of slow corners.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
on this one it looks like a proper rally car, we will have to wait and see.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
is it torque,or not proper adjusting at rear suspension/diffs? Didnt impressed me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mk2 RS2000
Maurin testing with 2C.He is on Michelins
https://youtu.be/WL65XQLQPRo
For me it again (like Paddon in Sweden) looks like its a little bit stiffly sprung compared to the VW. Its off course difficult to say if its the springs/dampers etc. But where the VW is benign, sucking up bumps, the Hyundai hops and darts.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
It looks good on initial turn in - much better than the 15. But mid corner, or in corner where You have an actual direction change, it still looks like it has understeering tendencies. This doesn't have to be a bad thing.
It looks faster than the 15 - but this is very difficult to judge - but it does not look like a revolution.
For me the car seems at its best when there is around 70-80% grip. Then it looks drivable, and benign. More grip and the pointing, darting jumping starts. Less grip, and its sliding everywhere.
But since we have not seen it compared to the other WRC cars, its very difficult, and it can be results of set up, grip levels, strategy, etc etc.
It will be very exiting to follow. I really hope this is a tool to challenge VW, it would be great for the championship!
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Originally Posted by dimviii
Effective, but could be a little bit more daring with his lines. A big risk of understeering of if grip levels changes, or are low, or a corner tightens/is tighter than expected.
Man, Sordo seems really fast on that testing vid but the car seems to be quite nervous and tail happy for me but then again im not a specialist.
This is not Kubica style.Quote:
Originally Posted by b3637853
same impressions as me.Lifts front wheel at small bumps,suspension seems too stiff,and understeer at tight corner entry which drives to oversteer at exits of tight corners.Same disadvantages of the old model.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
But as you said we dont know if is the final setup,or if it was a compromise setup for smoother stages etc.
of course its not Kubica style.Kubica at well known test stages is way faster and without errors at all.At last videos Camilli doesnt seem so nice as at first videos.Too much hesitate at corners entry,seems like he was ''searching'' the right line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
have we seen this video of Suninen?
https://youtu.be/ss9reDi6y4I
i agree with you about Camilli, looked better on first session, it seems im starting to understand something in here :D
Cant say that I agree with those statements. Kubica on tests are too often to fast with to high risk, resulting in a too narrow set up, and also to aggressive driving on the rally proper, leading to multiple offs - even on one and the same rally. Kubica needs to learn three things to become a very good rally driver, but so far its just more of the same. Very impressive speed, extremely high risk.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
On Camilli: Testing different set ups and different lines/driving techniques is how You should do a test. You should also drive at about 80% (thats the race pace), and do the set up accordingly. Then You should have a couple of finishing runs at 100% attack, just to see that nothing acts funny, bottoms out etc. This is from "The School Of Mäkinen."
i said about well known tests.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
I heard You.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
you heard me,but you write for multiple offs at one rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
It seems like a result of several compromises, something that leads me to think that either the geometry or the roll centre or a combination is a little bit on the extreme side. But it can be other things to.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
As dimviii points out the car is actually a little understeered, thats why You have these tail slides on the exit, and it can seem oversteered (tough the opposite is true). To conquer the understeer its quite aggressive on initial turn in, and thats probably why it seems nervous.
When it comes to this understeering bit this dont need to be a bad thing, but You have to be able to drive it correctly. If Your tail always slides out on the exit, thats a sign that You are not.
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
When Kubica tests, especially on test stages he knows well, he drives too fast and with to high risk. One thing is that this leads to small or larger errors on the test. But this also leads to problems in set up, because of the load he will generate trough the suspension and tires is much higher than he is able to on the proper rally - because there he doesn't know the stages that well. And this also says a lot off his point of perspective in regards to driving fast. He uses circuit racing techniques when You can drive 110%, because if You go 10% wider, are 10% to late on the brakes, take a corner 10% to early, You have room to straighten it out whit out crashing, but just loosing a little bit of time.
Kubica is a great driver, no doubt about it, but he needs to understand rally to be good at it. And by being good at it I dont mean setting some good stage times, and then crash on the next, but deliver good race results.
Kubica is almost a little irritating, because he is such a good driver, and he would use so little time to crack the code if he was coached correctly. I hope that he could meet someone, or have a personal epiphany that leads him on the right path.
Looks like he may not have a chance to finish the learning. He is not on Rally Sweden entry list and this probably means that he wasn't able to secure budget to do WRC.
Østberg looks to be reunited with the Fiesta, and as it looked, we see more of his old natural driving style.
I guess the teamwork with Fløene also is gelled in!
Yep, it will look different every time he tries a new set up, but overall he may have a bit more aggressive driving style than the other frenchies. Unlike Loeb and Ogier, Camilli has serious karting roots, with some top level results ( http://www.rallye-sport.fr/eric-camilli-futur-grand/ )Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
Btw, Suninen also came from Karting. It's great to see young kids choosing to start a rally career instead of staying on the track racing path!