Hybrid systems stay put till the end of 2026.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/wrcs-...with-new-deal/
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Hybrid systems stay put till the end of 2026.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/wrcs-...with-new-deal/
And it seems the current homologation regulation for the cars will stay put to until 2027.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
So Pirelli didnt liked being told they are shit? hehe
I know tire war dont belong in "WORLD" championships anymore but that was always something really fun to have in motorsport. Its more things to talk about, u'know? ERC is still my favorite so far. Rally2, Tire War, a good calendar, tons of entries!
Pirelli explains decision to leave WRC as tyre supplier
Pirelli has shed more light on its decision to leave the World Rally Championship as control tyre supplier at the end of the 2024 campaign.
https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/...lier/10522059/
Been a pretty horrid time for Pirelli I'd say. The state of punctures was too much at points. I wonder if they knew they wouldn't win the tender anyway, with Michelin in the bidding to return?
last decades its the same game.Some years pirelli,some years michelin.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
if you allow both the game is expensive.
And imho i dont like to have another unknown reason(tyres) to see if the yaris is faster from i20 due to tyres or driver or the car.
So let’s make one car model cup.
no its not the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Couldn't agree more.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Who would have jumped in to replace CD on such a short notice anyway? Leaving such decisions so late smells of incompetence.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
I think there were a few talks initially that teams could develop their own hybrid systems, but last I heard of that was around a year ago. Considering the state of the championship, Msports difficulties, the need for teams to run more cars etc, it wouldve been a silly extra expense at this stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
Plus, no doubt it would've just resulted in an another way for Toyota to gain an advantage on Hyundai and Msport...
Agree yes, but the change to manufacturer developed units would've been to late now.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
This news probably confirms there won't be any new manufacturers joining the championship before 2027.
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not necessarily, due to the subaru-toyota partnership, a subaru car could be some sort of rebranded blue yaris with different aesthetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by trykmann
So, to be honest, noone would notice and no manufacturer would leave or join if hybrid unit was removed… Hybrid is totally useless.
Maybe, but Evans would have been retired without the Hybrid in Greece.Quote:
Originally Posted by bomber21
proposal from Rich Millener:
team to have 2 rally1 + 1 rally2 of a "junior" manu team to score for championship points.
http://www.areacorse.com/milliner-proposta-wrc/
useless ideaQuote:
Originally Posted by wyler
Just 6 Rally1s, what's Ogier going to do, leave 3/4 drivers going for the championship?Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
To be fair there isn't much detail there but doesn't sound sensible at all.
i think you misread... it will not affect team size. why only 6 rally1? a team can have 3 or 4 like now, and get points from the top 2, exactly like now. point is adding a junior team with as many car as you please, and top car get points for manus championship. it's a good idea to have youngsters in works team, and get attention on support championships.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
care to debate?Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
What would happen with Skoda / Toksport in this scenario and to the kudos of WRC2 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
they'll remain the same. skoda will compete for rally2, i guess. just an "official" rally2 car of wrc teams will get point for manu's championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
basically, m-sport and hiunday will stay the same in wrc2, toyota will add a couple of works rally2 yaris. it's just a more structured "junior ladder" and a little benefit in points to teams that develop drivers as m-sport. and a couple of more "interesting" seats.
downside: any new manufacturer or wrc team will have to develop 2 cars to enter wrc.
I don't try to say that I know how many new manufacturers would be attracted by such rules but I dare to guess it's less than one. Has the time already come for the series to commit seppuku or do I miss something?Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
Sounds like a good idea to me to. Especially the extra attention for wrc2 would be good!
i'll expand:Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
1. This looks like a solution looking for a problem. All teams are already supporting at least one WRC2 driver in order to showcase their car and as a young driver scheme. Toyota is late to the party but I'm sure they'll catch up soon. I don't see what will improve in this respect with such a rule coming in as the thing is already happening.
2. Promoting or hurting young talent? Let's imagine we're one of the team principals, if this rule comes in you'll want a driver that's fast and experienced to score as many points for you as possible so you'll probably go with a proven hand than some hotshot youngster who'll be fast but roll 3 times a rally. I realise some may think different but if you're serious about running your team you'll think how to maximise points.
3. Result transparency. I follow a lot of motorsport, watch most WRC rallies live, F1, WEC, MotoGP and then many other series as I catch them or highlights. I can appreciate there are different ways to score points that work and most make sense for their respective championship to some degree at least. I honestly tell you that this rule would piss me off trying to figure out who gets how many points every rally. Firstly by having only 2 Rally1 cars score increases the chances that the cars that can score points are lower down so you have to keep track of who's nominated that particular rally. Then you need to keep in mind who's nominated in Rally2 and as if there are already not enough subcategories and shananigans with drivers doing all rounds and scoring only 6 best out of nominated 7 out of a total of 13. But maybe you say, just wait and the TV graphics will show it. So I'm now supposed to ignore it and get some number which seems inconsistent and meaningless unless I make a spreadsheet to see who actually got points? no thanks
to conclude, I see no actual advantages compared to the current situation but plenty of complication. In fact to me it smells like Millener trying to adapt the WRC to MSport as they would like to run only 2 cars on most rallies. Sorry but that's not the way forward.
The first and foremost important thing to solve for the WRC is to attract some new manufacturers (or private teams if they finally change the homologation rules). Everything else is buying a new suit to a dying man. This proposal is not a solution to THE problem but exactly the opposite. No team will develop two cars in different classes in the same time. That's superexpensive receip for disaster and every sane manager will simply avoid that.
1. if it's already happening, there's no problem in doing it, so not many downsides... on the positives: it will improve the coverage of rally2 car, the interest on rally2 drivers and cars, and hopefully help m-sport to reduce the gap in point scoring from big manus, as good rally2 drivers are easier to hire and rally2 car are quite balanced in performance.
2. i guess a good rally2 team can be made of 2 car, 1 experienced and 1 young gun. the best one scores, so it's logical to have a reliable point scorer but also grow your new generation for rally1. it's possible that someone could bet more on one side than others, of course... that's without knowing if the rally2 team is open or has some "junior" features, i guess this could be explored in developing the rules.
3. what? i'm confused... it's the same as now! we currently have 2 rally1 scoring for teams...nothing will change. you can enter how many cars you wish, best 2 will score. that will remain the same. only this will apply to rally2 too. teams can enter how many car they want, best result for manus entered car will add points for the championship. Looks quite simple to me.
agreed. but reality is there's no chance to see new brands at least until new regulations*, so thinking to improve what we have now is not so bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
then if brands attractive new reg comes out for 2027 on, this rally2 rule will be outdated. we've seen rally2 regs change every other year from wrc2-pro-open-junior-master so don't see it as a problem to try a couple of seasons.
*if subaru is entering any sooner will be some kind of toyota platform car. could be easily done for rally2 also. (i'm highly sceptical about this happening, just to be clear!)
will it really improve the coverage of WRC2? how? They will mention at the end of the rally: "X manufacturer also gets Y points from Z finishing 5th in WRC2 but getting top points for manu because he was the highest placed nominated driver behind 4 Skodas".Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
For point 3 I took it as reducing the number of nominated cars in Rally1 from 3 to 2 that might have been my misinterpretation, the source is vague. The point that there is a further complication to follow in WRC2 stands. Actually the most important point to mention is what Mirek said, that there shouldn't be an extra hurdle in place for a new manu joining. You say since most of the things are already happening then why not introduce it, I say exactly that there is no point, it's just a gimmick.
i'm sure if a team proposes something like that, it will not propose it without thinking roi and an upgrade in visibility. m-sport is looking to improve its rally2 market and reputation, so i'm pretty positive that if rally2 becomes championship relevant, it will have much more coverage than now, especially on tv. don't think toyota will not push to show its new rally2 yaris live...Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
on new entry, i've already replied at Mirek. while i agree in general, i don't think waiting for a miraculous new reg in 3-4 years is good, nor realistic. i rather prefer to try something in the meanwhile. this attitude that problems are always "something else" (that can arguably be tackled, btw) is deadly.
TBH I dont see any big advantage re the visibility of the Rally2 cars from this idea. And sales will be driven by results, not screen time.
Scoring points for the WRC Team wont mean anything if the car is finishing behind the Skoda's, Citroen C3 and even old Polo's...
how about make a better car that can be competitive against Skoda and others?Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
they are, don't they? the upgrade seemed to work good, and from italy on, formeaux showed the car can win wrc2 and compete with others.Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
probably, but from italy on the car is quite on the pace with others, and there's not that much possibility to show progress that's not an official team. if customer don't drive the car, the only way is show it with works stickers on...and wrc2 is way easier to manage than erc (they don't have a team there, probably not enough money). fourmeaux in brc -wrc2 is doing good advertising even if it crashes too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Yes I misread, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
We can look forward to M-Sport nominating customers they don't currently have in Rally1 cars for manufacturer points they aren't currently scoring with crummy Rally1 cars. It sounds a little bit like WRC2 Pro, which was a resounding success.
A Rally2 Manufacturers should work as was back in the day. Any manufacturer who homologates a car gets to score. At second tier level there should not be an issue with that. Except M-Sport, because Ford would get the credit. I don't know.
Not sure if posted before - interview with JM Latvala on the reforms WRC needs ..
https://www.hs.fi/urheilu/art-2000009894292.html
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Not sure if this has been posted already.
Very interesting if this rumour is true.
Basically the teams (Rally1 & Rally2) have decided that switching to Rally2 cars for the top class is not what they want
https://x.com/AnttiL_WRC/status/1716...744077805?s=20
Dumb. There is no need for "factory teams". Just do what Fanatec GT does. You can have factory backed teams (i.e. M-Sport themselves, RedGrey/BRC, TMR or else, TokSport, Sainteloc etc) and nominate 2 or drivers from the pool of cars for the Manufacturer's title. Smaller teams will increase their portfolio cause local interest will be boosted if local talent has the potential for a good O/A placing. Maybe it's time for Ben Sulayem to start strong arming WRC's direction. But, it seems like the whole Andretti/FOM thing isn't helping his reputation in Motorsport a lot(or his stature as the President of FIA).
Lol. It'd be nice if that idea gets put to bed now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jewy46