Ogier has no luck, it's pure skill and he's helluva clever guyQuote:
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Ogier has no luck, it's pure skill and he's helluva clever guyQuote:
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how come he was pushing for FFS?Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
i would agree if he was fastest in splits but he wasnt. Already in the morning after SS10 he said this: "In this one I was already easing up and trying to be in a good rhythm, but as smoothly as possible."
what should have he done then? drove every stage 10 secs slower than Ogier?
There was a stone on the line which he couldnt avoid and i dont get it what this has to do with respecting the materials and other BS.
Explaining his retirements by bad luck is making less sense with every rally. Tanak has been having crapton of retirements and technical issues, caused supposedly by bad luck and unreliable machinery, in every team he's been in. Meanwhile Ogier has won 7 championship titles with 3 different cars. It's really hard to imagine this trend wouldn't have anything to do with the driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Did you see Ott onboards from yesterday? He cutting corners aggressively, this is was kind a push. And it was not relative to stagetimes sometimes. Mads can do the same and lost over a 1min cuz it's WRC2 car.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
If you play smart and guessing that it maybe could be unavoidable stone on a line - u can't drive like in Finland from one edge to other. It's rocky road and you must wait for surprises
so let be clear then
you guys say he could have avoided the stone, do i get it right?
Being slower that Ott...Quote:
Originally Posted by USER47
Championship it's a long game, rally - it's still long game. And you can control the gap having 40sec in a pocket... Ott push and retire and got 0 for now... Ogier didn't push and wait... 18pts? OK... Tanak retired - and doing nothing got already 25pts. Seems Ott can't play long...
avoid - don't knowQuote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
get less damage from unavoidable stone - yes
i just cant...Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
Ogier won that stage by 4 seconds and said also hit two stones and you say he wasnt pushing?
Tänak was 2 secs slower in first split but you say he was pushing?
double standards?
Did you see Ogier cutting yesterday? One meter out in the bushes off road in a corner? No one, saying, no one - was near of Ogiers line. So cutting isn´t the issue inthis case. And not many times either. It´s rather a question what´s been left on the road after the car ahead...Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
Maybe he's setting up the car too low or stiff, maybe the rock was avoidable, maybe he was going too fast, maybe the car was already a bit battered from before. None of us knows. But the long term trend is clear and while couple rallies could be explained by bad luck, the period of 5+ years, when the same thing is happening over and over, really cannot.
yep, it was massive and I think he know from prev.years that it possible or he recced thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
PS I'm not Ogier fan but that man can avoid troubles
I agree with this. Maybe this time there was nothing to do and the same thing would have happened to Ogier if he would have been at the same time in the same place.Quote:
Originally Posted by USER47
But for some reason its almost always Tänak there.
pushing it's not always about time. I can pushing a stage taking too many risks and been 1min slower than Ott taking it easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Seems Ogier faster here in safe mode and Ott need to push to be on his level and still be "2sec slower on split"
So Tanak just: "Ok. Let´s set the car 5 mm lower, we can avoid stones anyway... and I´ll be fastest on every stage today also..." No way. You just speculate. I´d say this is rallying...Quote:
Originally Posted by USER47
Obviously I speculate. That's what the word "maybe" means.
Ostberg 6min late to TC and 1min penalty
Like expected...Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
Yes. Speculating. But didn´t want to add the word before...Quote:
Originally Posted by USER47
Mads beating Suninen and Rovanperä big time on this stage :D C3 r5 on the limit :D
I have no clue what you're on about. I think adding the word "maybe" 5 times in the post and then stating "none of us knows" should be clear enough indication of the speculation, but apparently not for everyone.
But speculations without substance doesn´t contribute.Quote:
Originally Posted by USER47
As opposed to whatever these posts of yours are. I was just highlighting the long term trend of the issues of Tanak, and how it cannot really be explained by bad luck only.
So was OgierQuote:
Originally Posted by KKS
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Well, that´s statistics which probably satisfies some guys. But this is rallying. And this time it´s clear what happened. No speculations needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by USER47
Yes, I saw it as well. Others were meters away from his linesQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
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Takak after SS11:
“It's a different job now, especially with the roughness. It's quite difficult with the tyres, so it needs a lot of a focus and fingers crossed.”
Mads took back a big chunk of the minute on Huttunen, in just one stage.
Having the Rally1 tempo in your system, makes a big difference.
Those really smart ones - put your contact info for team principals here, because they really need your knowledge. They clearly don't know what they are doing. And also for drivers, they clearly don't know how to drive or how to set up a car.
... or there are some actual reasons, why one is leading team, why one is driving a car and why one knows everything only in forums.
Breath. guys, breath.
Stages 1 .. 9 won by Hyndais
Stages 10 .. 14 won by Toyotas
To dare to do that kind of cutting you will habe to trample over there to check for stones etc. Do most drivers do that, or will gravel crews do that kind of detailed recce?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
true! no speculation needed. ott again hit something and broke the car. like the previous one and lots other. he's that kinda driver. and this is rallying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
btw, statistics tend to explain reality. title won by a driver or another one is also statistic.
guys .what's the weather tomorrow? any possible for raining?
What previous ones? Examples pleaseQuote:
Originally Posted by wyler
Thank you
can make an album of Hyundais' lost rear wheels..
https://www.upload.ee/thumb/13208778...29530035_n.jpg
Portugal.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Sorry for being emotional today, but what the fuck are you trying to express?Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
No speculation needed?
I always try to be humble and think that my knowledge and experience as a person in the scene for long-long time is no where near to understand or comment the actual level of competition in the top, to understand those small edges and specifics, but when someone comes and spits these kind of facts and statistic statements about someone then I just go nuts and say that you are a fucking moron.
"He's that kinda driver"... What a....
and what exactly did he hit in Portugal?Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
Neuville stalled on a slow corner, had looked pretty ragged while pushing earlier on in the stage.
If you don’t know shit then don’t comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
He didn’t hit anything there.
What happened today for Linnamäe ja Kaur?