If they do not recce the stages, they cannot add it later.
So the 13 stages are the maximum if everything goes well.
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If they do not recce the stages, they cannot add it later.
So the 13 stages are the maximum if everything goes well.
aaah yes, of course, you are right. i misunderstood that.
This is probably what we get this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
They will recce all the proper stages, so adding a 2nd run to both sunday stages for instance could be doable i guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by tc10a
Were the two passes of Vargasen live in the original? Irritatingly, it will just be one hour of them talking about Colin's Crest, but still better than nothing.
Good to see that a decent agenda is still possible for those going (and sort of making me regret cancelling everything!) with Torsby and Svullrya possible to combine on Day 1 and two passes of Vargasen on Day 2.
No, Karlstad 1 was planned live and only Vargasen 1 was planned before. But last year Vargasen stage was quite nice on WRC+Quote:
Originally Posted by dodge33cymru
I told that this rally is going to take place;) When I say "No", then it is "No", when i say that no Karlstad and Kirkenjaer, then its "No" :PQuote:
Originally Posted by AL14
At the moment, each forecast is getting better than previous, So, I am not surprised if they still decide to do second run for some stages (No problem with recce as these are the same stages):) Norwegian stages are going to get proper cold, Saturday stages were the most risky but now it is likely that there will be around -10 overnight (between Friday and Saturday) and there will be plenty of new snow on Wednesday (around 6-7 cm) for Sunday stages it looks like even more snow and proper minus degrees as well:)
this is great news!
Official new timetable:
http://www.rallysweden.com/tavlingen/maps-itinerary/
Official itinerary, some slight changes on saturday 2nd loop from the French one posted a couple posts bellow from what i can see.
http://www.rallysweden.com/tavlingen/maps-itinerary/
Yes Rämmen 2 and Vargåsen 2 is about 2 hours earlier then in the previous itinerary.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Alright, what the heck, I am still going to Sweden :)
For sure you have to go. Doing my 12th Rally Sweden in a row this year and it was always a big show, also in the "worse" years like 2008.Quote:
Originally Posted by hype
Julian Porter @The_Rally_Guru
Sweden on the left and Norway on the right. All they need to separate them is a few metres of empty space.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CauAPZGVIAETd_l.jpg
Just great, now we don't have enough snow already..... we have more than enough......Quote:
Originally Posted by Evian
Happy with just a change of itinerary. There were many worse options, great solution from the organizers. Since we never planned shakedown and are arriving only on thursday afternoon there's no big loss for us. We're planning to see maybe 9-10 stages in stead of 11-12.
so everything is fine!Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
dont forget to take some photos exclusively for NOT.
Waiting for updates Tom through the stages. 4 beers from me.
Bonus points if they include a dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
9-10? Wow, that sounds like a tight itinerary for you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Which stages are you going to visit?
This is the plan. It's possible if we don't face any problems on the road... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by hype
Torsby (only WRC cars) - Svullrya (2x - 2nd time only WRC cars) - Torsby, Fredriksberg (only WRC cars) - Vargasen (2x), SSS Karlstadt (maybe), Lesjofors (only WRC cars) - Varmullsasen
Sounds cool, maybe I'll see you on one of the stages. How do I recognize you? ;)
Wow, at least I'm not the only crazy person thinking about that :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Changing on Sunday should be possible, Friday as well.
But Frederiksberg to Vargasen on Saturday morning is really risky. Last year there were 20min more time than this year and it was already really really close (left Frederiksberg after 13 cars). Note that there are many many people at Vargasen, so parking may be difficult. Plus this year there won't be any shuttle services that take you over the lake.
I expect a lot more spectators on those remaining stages, especially on Friday without Kirkenaer. Saturday most people will be on Vargasen I guess, as it is the only one run twice this day.
Maybe we'll meet. You may recognize me, normally with my Canon camera and a Nicolas Gilsoul (grey/orange/white) hat. :) How about you?Quote:
Originally Posted by hype
@WRCstratos, it's not going to be easy indeed, we'll see.
Also Canon with WRC sticker on lens hood. Everything else of my clothing is black and grey, so pretty boring :D
Maybe I'll take my Rally Ireland sweater with me.
I'll keep an eye out ;)
Weather is going to be a deciding factor on this years Rally Sweden.
Little or no snow(banks), but ice (cold):
Will level the playing field.
Meeke, Paddon, and Latvala are three drivers that will benefit.
Massive amount of snow the night before (freshly cleared roads):
Will be an advantage to the specialits.
Østberg, Mikkelsen, Latvala and Ogier will benefit.
Snow and warm weather with slush/thawing snow.
Will be a benefit for the specialist, and the Nose End First-er.
Østberg, Mikkelsen and Ogier (and possibly Sordo who does good in poor grip situations with a lot of understeer.)
In general:
Volkswagen:
Car: Clearly the best car for Rally Sweden. The chassis is made for it.
Edit: Risk level means risk of loosing time because of punctures etc. Not only going of.
- Ogier: Will be the clear favorit, and the worse the condition, the clearer the favorit.
Speed: 10 Risk: 2
- Latvala: He has the potential to be the fastets man in Sweden. Low or no snow banks can be an advantage, because he could use more of the road. This will also lead to a risk of exsessive cutting, and then a risk of damage because of that. Win it or bin it seems to be the motto.
Speed: 10 Risk: 7
- Mikkelsen: Definetly with podium potential. If he leads after day one or two, it will be a mind game. He is fast enough on snow to win in Sweden, but seems to tense up when he is in this position, and then its a risk of outbraking him self, or over driving.
Speed: 9 Risk: 6
Hyundai:
Car: Very uncertain about the car. Something in the damper movement with little yaw and squat dosent look right for loose surface rallies, but looks can descieve. My tought is that the car can be a little unprecise, leading the Hynudai-drivers to have punctures etc because of misjudging cutting, exits etc.
- Thierry Neuville: Has been fast in Sweden, but thats more down to the grip level makint the chassis of the old i20 suit him better. If the conditions suits him (good and predictable grip), he is in for a shot fighting for a podium position.
Speed: 8 Risk: 6
- Dani Sordo: A dark horse in Sweden. If its low grip and he is forced to drive with an understeering car, he can be very fast. He can be the surprise of the rally if the conditions become him.
Speed: 7 Risk: 5
- Haydon Paddon: With low or no snow banks he is a clear outsider, and I would tip him for a podium fight. If its fresh snow and snow banks, he could be in troubble if the early results has been to good. With horns growing out of his helmet he could miss judge an exit and loose a lot of time/or go of.
Speed: 8 Risk: 7
Citroën:
Car: If its good grip (ice), it is one of the fastest cars in Sweden. If its low grip (fresh snow), it can be very difficult to find the right set up.
- Kris Meeke: With high grip I see him challenging for the podium, and setting fastest times. With low grip I think he will struggle.
Speed: 9 Risk: 7
- AL Qassimi: Will fight for top 5-6, depending on how many of the top drivers that will go of.
Speed: 6 Risk: 5
- Craig Breen: Will fight with Camilli to be the best of the "new ones".
Speed: 6 Risk: 8
Ford:
Car: Very good for all Swedish conditions, and definetly fast enough to win.
- Mads Østberg: Very dependent on his set up the first day. He often misses on this, making the next two days a fight to get the right set up, setting good stage times the last day. If he hits the set up, he will be in a fight for a podium.
Speed (with right set up): 9 Risk: 3
- Eric Camilli: With good grip and little snow he can fight for 4-6, depending on how many of the faster guys that go off. Towards the end of the rally I expect him to be a positive surprise regarding stage times.
Speed: 6 Risk: 6
Privateers:
- Ott Tänak: The tires will be an issue. Ott is fast, and will have an advantage if there is little snow.
Speed: 7 Risk: 7
- Henning Solberg: On the right day he can be a big surprise, but he has driven to little lately. Should aim to be the best privateer. A top 5 finish would be a huge accomplishment.
Speed: 7 Risk 6
- Yazeed: Will have the same speed as Camilli.
Speed: 6 Risk: 7
- Bertelli: Will be easier with out fresh snow. Will have to fight very hard to be faster than the best WR2.
Speed: 4 Risk: 9
WRC2:
The WRC 2race carries a lot of prestige, and will be a wild race with factory drivers challenged by wanting-to-become-factory drivers.
Skoda: Very fast car, and the bench mark in the class.
- Lappi: A very fast driver. Will challenge for the win, and with a trouble free finish will be secured a podium.
Speed: 9 Risk: 7
- Tideman: The favorit. Extremely fast in Sweden, but needs to be in the right frame of mind.
Speed: 10 Risk: 6
Ford: Very good car, especially with the Evo upgrade.
- Evans: I will be pleasantly surprised if he can mingle with Lappi and Tideman.
Speed: 7 Risk: 5
- Brynhildsen: Very fast, but was a little disappointing (edited, NOT disappointing) in the last Norwegian Championgship round. Is a "cutter". Can be very fast on the right day. I expect him to be one of the closest rivals to the Skoda gang.
Edit: About 10 people have contacted me letting me know that Eyvind used WRC tires (wider 15" compared to a faster narrow 16") on Rally Finnskogen, the last round of the Norwegian Championship. This taken in to account, and the speed was not disappointing at all!
Sorry for the oversight. I couldnt attend the rally because I was working as a driving instructor on a frozen lake for Hankook in another part of Norway.
Speed: 8 Risk: 7
Privateers:
The will most likely be devided in two groups.
Fight to challenge for the last podium position:
- Åhlin
- Grøndal
Fight for top 4 spot:
- Pärn
- Aasen
- Berqvist
- Suninen
The WRC2 race will be extremly exiting, at least the fight for 3rd.
Looking forward to Rally Sweden!
GPS Sync of the Onboards on rally-maps.com is not working anymore?
Given I'm flying out tomorrow I'm super nervous it still won't run.
We still need that big chill: http://www.autosport.com/news/report...medium=twitter
Thursday and Friday forecasts seem to have gotten slightly higher again, although still below zero, and no sign of snow in them until Saturday.
[QUOTE=Lundefaret;1080346]Weather is going to be a deciding factor on this years Rally Sweden.
- AL Qassimi: Will fight for top 5-6, depending on how many of the top drivers that will go of.
Speed: 6 Risk: 5
- Brynhildsen: Very fast, but was a little disapointing in the last Norwegian Championgship round. Is a "cutter". Can be very fast on the right day. I expect him to be one of the closest rivals to the Skoda gang.
Speed: 8 Risk: 7
Good preview. Thanks!
However, I don't think Al Qassimi will be faster than the WRC2 top guys. Top 10 will be as high as he can dream of.
Brynildsen was the only one with WRC tires in Norway last week-end. A disadvantage.
Yea, same here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
I'm flying on Thursday.
If it's cancelled we'll all meet somewhere and comfort ourselves.
But know let's be more optimistic :)
Up to 10cm of snow on saturday now, gravel would have been better :(
Well, weather is looking good but will be tricky when the snow falls, especially for nr 1 and 2 on the road. Looking good for Østberg, Latvala and MikkelsenAttachment 877
I'm a bit confused about the service park.
Is there something in Karlstad worth going?
Or in Hagfors?
Only morning and evening service in Karlstad and SSS before service on saturday.Quote:
Originally Posted by hype
Tyre and light fitting zone in Hagfors.
Great preview Lundefaret, but now we want this before every rally!
[QUOTE=Fly;1080351]I agree with You on Al Qassimi, maybe a bit to positive there, wich is rear for me :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
Also agree on Brynildsen.
If its cold and ice and little or no snow, I also unfortunatly think we can see some dramatic accidents.
Depending on the weather, I am expecting a high risk rate of accidents.
Thanks :) But cant promise that :)Quote:
Originally Posted by b3637853
Agree on it probably being quite an attritional rally due to accidents. Also I can't imagine many people will bother to Rally 2 given the non-representative conditions. We've already seen people neglecting to do the reccy due to this. Some privateers may just opt to save money.