Pirelli defend tyres after Schumacher blast

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Originally Posted by wedge

Yes it was a deserved win but was it a warranted win to the point that inconsistent tyres has so far given inconsistent and therefore unpredictable results.

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The championship standings do not support the idea that we are seeing "inconsistent and therefore unpredictable results" IMHO. If HRT were up there challenging then yes, but there hasn't been a dramatic change to the established order. Some may point at Williams because they were nowhere last season but that's not the tyres; it's a new design team having produced a fine car combined with them having the championship winning Renault engine. So yes, it was a warranted win IMHO.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Williams......Renault engine

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That about sums it up for me. Williams know how to win, and they are back on their way up.

Caterham now have the Renault, but they are still very much building the team up.

But yes, I fear the Cosworth was very much the weak link in seasons past for WIlliams.

In the end every fan has to ask and answer for himself - do you prefer the races we have now or do you like the races we had in 2004, 2002, 2010 more? Do you want to have more overtaking or you prefer the "follow the leader" style of racing which we had until last year? Do you want to see many winners in different cars or one or two top-teams running away with it? In the end these are the questions who, at least in my opinion, matter. Some people I think have some ideal F1 in their head in which everything is unrestricted, drivers push to the limit, BUT have to be careful because some "natural" and not "artificial" things may happen. The reality is that this happened, from what I saw, in the early 80s. But it won't happen again. The teams are just too good, with too much money, too much everything. So, if we manage the series to be "pure" the end result will be very much something like the modern DTM racing - great looking cars, highly professional environment and dull, processional and very boring racing. I very much prefer what we have now to this and I think that for the Formula One World Championship it will be much healthier if it stays interesting, exciting and unpredictable even if it is not "pure" in the eyes of some people.

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Originally Posted by F1boat

In the end every fan has to ask and answer for himself - do you prefer the races we have now or do you like the races we had in 2004, 2002, 2010 more?

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F1 constantly evolves and changes. I don't think what we have now is ether better or worse than before. It's simply different, but I guess everyone has their favourites.

As a F1 fan I love the late 1960's period...then the Cosworth era of the 1970's & 80's...ground effects...turbos...the technical wizardry of the 90's...even Ferrari dominace was impressive in its own way :D

The Spanish GP had me on the edge of my seat from beginning to end. It's the first time that's happened in a very long time and, putting it bluntly, I don't particularly care why. The race had excitement, drama and skill. Can't ask for much more than that in a motor race IMHO.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

F1 constantly evolves and changes. I don't think what we have now is ether better or worse than before. It's simply different, but I guess everyone has their favourites.

As a F1 fan I love the late 1960's period...then the Cosworth era of the 1970's & 80's...ground effects...turbos...the technical wizardry of the 90's...even Ferrari dominace was impressive in its own way :D

The Spanish GP had me on the edge of my seat from beginning to end. It's the first time that's happened in a very long time and, putting it bluntly, I don't particularly care why. The race had excitement, drama and skill. Can't ask for much more than that in a motor race IMHO.

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Indeed. SPain 2012 had a number of 'displaced' fast cars, and to see them coming through the field, along with a long awaited Williams win, was really quite something.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

That about sums it up for me. Williams know how to win, and they are back on their way up.

Caterham now have the Renault, but they are still very much building the team up.

But yes, I fear the Cosworth was very much the weak link in seasons past for WIlliams.

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Williams know how to win? And that's why Sam Michaels fell on his sword?

They've never made top cars. Suddenly gaining a second overnight going into the Spanish GP at Catalunya - the greatest test on a car's aero. I find it too good to be true.

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Originally Posted by F1boat

In the end every fan has to ask and answer for himself - do you prefer the races we have now or do you like the races we had in 2004, 2002, 2010 more?

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2002 - as I said earlier, arguably F1's lowest ebb in recent history.

2004 - yes Ferrari dominated but the battle for best of the rest was immensely enjoyable and the year Bunsen came to the fore.

2010 - good races and bad races, much like any other season. Final showdown was an anti-climax.

Quite frankly there was no need nor a valid excuse to mess with this year's tyres. Last year's construction was perfectly fine.

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Originally Posted by wedge

Williams know how to win? And that's why Sam Michaels fell on his sword?

They've never made top cars. Suddenly gaining a second overnight going into the Spanish GP at Catalunya - the greatest test on a car's aero. I find it too good to be true.



2002 - as I said earlier, arguably F1's lowest ebb in recent history.

2004 - yes Ferrari dominated but the battle for best of the rest was immensely enjoyable and the year Bunsen came to the fore.

2010 - good races and bad races, much like any other season. Final showdown was an anti-climax.

Quite frankly there was no need nor a valid excuse to mess with this year's tyres. Last year's construction was perfectly fine.

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Wedge, that's why I only asked the questions, Every fan must answer them for himself of herself. For me, 2012 is arguably the best start of a season I have witnessed, ever, and extremely enjoyable. If you like 2004 or 2010 better, fine, that's your point of view. But for me the current trend is better for the sport and its popularity. I guess that TV rating can confirm or deny this...

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Originally Posted by wedge

Suddenly gaining a second overnight going into the Spanish GP at Catalunya - the greatest test on a car's aero. I find it too good to be true.

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wedge, I'm not sure I understand. Maldonado's Williams was battling Alonso's Ferrari for position in Australia, as in Spain, and yet it's a shock? :dozey:

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Originally Posted by wedge

Williams know how to win? And that's why Sam Michaels fell on his sword?

They've never made top cars.

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Never? Not even in the seasons when Williams won the World Championship with demonstrably the best cars?

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

wedge, I'm not sure I understand. Maldonado's Williams was battling Alonso's Ferrari for position in Australia, as in Spain, and yet it's a shock? :dozey:

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I'm not questioning Maldonado as a racer. It's his relative to the car's performance.

In Australia and the other races he was about a second off the leaders and then suddenly turns up at Barcelona fighting for pole - a track that tests the aerodynamics of the car.

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