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HaCo
16th November 2007, 09:45
Sordo also slower!
Josti
16th November 2007, 09:46
Hmm, Marcus really fast. Could be the tyres? Or Loeb just under pressure.
MartijnS
16th November 2007, 09:46
Everybody is losing massive time to Marcus. He is really fast :)
jonkka
16th November 2007, 09:46
No split for Petter but no worries yet...
A.F.F.
16th November 2007, 09:46
We can only guess xD (..... for now !)
Mean people can also hope ;)
jonkka
16th November 2007, 09:47
By split 2, Marcus has taken the lead. Will it last?
euskalteam
16th November 2007, 09:47
Where's Marcus!!!
Halvis
16th November 2007, 09:47
Mikko loosing, no splits for Petter, Henning back to his usually slow tarmac pace.
Most important, Marcus, very, very fast, also faster than Sordo!
jonkka
16th November 2007, 09:47
No final time for Marcus?
Helstar
16th November 2007, 09:48
Maybe he just activated a 007 kind of trick on the Ford ... releasing MASSIVE AMOUNT of mud all over the road xD (kidding eh ?)
Finni
16th November 2007, 09:48
is marcus out?
HaCo
16th November 2007, 09:48
Ugh, where is Marcus? :( :( :(
euskalteam
16th November 2007, 09:48
Marcus Stopped!!!!
Josti
16th November 2007, 09:48
No last split for Marcus so far...
René
16th November 2007, 09:48
Rear suspension broken for Seb !
luca
16th November 2007, 09:48
gronholm rolled, info from M-Sport
Halvis
16th November 2007, 09:49
As soon as I wrote it and sent, it seems as Marcus is off?
jonkka
16th November 2007, 09:49
Sordo will take lead now
muscrae
16th November 2007, 09:49
marcus stopped...
jonas_mcrae
16th November 2007, 09:49
Sh1t
kleisj
16th November 2007, 09:51
Where is Marcus??????
Finni
16th November 2007, 09:51
****
Finni
16th November 2007, 09:51
****
René
16th November 2007, 09:53
Marcus stoped in the stage 2 km before the end !
New Link for split time !
janneppi
16th November 2007, 09:53
gronholm rolled, info from M-Sport
Classic Grönholm. :p :
:(
Finni
16th November 2007, 09:53
it was bloody mistake to try to win this rally. As I said he should have played it safe. ****. I quit.
Corny
16th November 2007, 09:53
Noho!
René
16th November 2007, 09:54
Marcus stoped in the stage 2 km before the end !
New Link for split time !http://www.pjea.com/live/index.php?stage=4&link=0
Helstar
16th November 2007, 09:54
Oh well, two consecutive times already.....no good
Wim_Impreza
16th November 2007, 09:54
Marcus. :(
MartijnS
16th November 2007, 09:55
Damn! :(
Halvis
16th November 2007, 09:55
Disaster for Marcus - and for the championship battle maybe?
Petter finished, a little bit better on this stage, but still way back.
Josti
16th November 2007, 09:55
He wasn't able to continue?
A.F.F.
16th November 2007, 09:55
Apparently Marcus wants the championship with challenge :s
WRC1
16th November 2007, 09:56
marcus stopped...
fu..!! why why why why.....???
loeb want make the same mistake as in japan again? will he??
reg
wrc1
Halvis
16th November 2007, 09:57
it was bloody mistake to try to win this rally. As I said he should have played it safe. ****. I quit.
I guess you're absolutely correct - it would have been wiser to go for 3rd place.
Camelopard
16th November 2007, 09:57
Sh1t
bugger!
PMM
16th November 2007, 09:59
Marcus is out... how nice.
Back to work then ->
muscrae
16th November 2007, 10:01
any news about marcus???
will he go on????
Camelopard
16th November 2007, 10:02
Repeat of last year when he rolled in Perth. OK, I can only hope that seb has does not finish either. Atko has stopped as well, double bugger.............
KF1800
16th November 2007, 10:02
don't tell me Atko has done it again...
Halvis
16th November 2007, 10:02
Atko and Stohl out aswell?
René
16th November 2007, 10:04
The stage 4 is hard for Marcus, Atkinson, and Pons all of three stoped in the stage ????????????
teufel
16th November 2007, 10:05
Pity for Marcus :(
muscrae
16th November 2007, 10:05
Atko and Stohl out aswell?
yes, unfortunately...
By the way, yhe reason for retirement of Marcus is that he's tumbled..
Josti
16th November 2007, 10:05
I expect team orders from Citroën. Seems Mikko isn't really able to keep up the pace. Let's hope for a Rally Ireland surprise now.
Corny
16th November 2007, 10:05
OK, I can only hope that seb has does not finish either.
same here, but I don't see that luck happen twice! Too bad, but I'm afraid Seb will be the champ again..
Brother John
16th November 2007, 10:06
This is stupid of Grönholm. He would not have had go for the victory in Ireland, 2nd or 3rd place had been also well! http://www.autosportforum.be/images/smilies/confused.gif
AlfaWRC
16th November 2007, 10:07
Mikko has to bring home to manufacturers title now. Nothing more to do for him in ireland.
now we have to hope & pray for wales
WRC1
16th November 2007, 10:08
Atko and Stohl out aswell?
stohl is there!
jonkka
16th November 2007, 10:08
now we have to hope & pray for wales
1998 all over again?
muscrae
16th November 2007, 10:11
stohl is there!
Atko and Pons stopped.. not stohl...
N.O.T
16th November 2007, 10:11
Marcus is doing everything possible to ruin a fantastic season for him....Remains to be seen if Loeb will follow him as in Japan.
DonJippo
16th November 2007, 10:11
This is stupid of Grönholm.
So you know for sure it was his mistake? Most propably was but still...
Josti
16th November 2007, 10:12
1998 all over again?
Hoping for everything but that. I just wish Marcus will keep the car on track this time...
muscrae
16th November 2007, 10:12
So you know for sure it was his mistake? Most propably was but still...
?????????
René
16th November 2007, 10:12
Marcus Gronholm went off the road taking down both driver side wheels.
Tomi
16th November 2007, 10:13
bosses both tyres off from the driverside
Wim_Impreza
16th November 2007, 10:13
What has happened with Matthew Wilson on SS4?
Josti
16th November 2007, 10:14
Marcus Gronholm went off the road taking down both driver side wheels.
So Super Rally is doubtfull :\
GigiGalliNo1
16th November 2007, 10:15
soooooooo Loeb to go off next? does this mean Loeb will win the champs? wat about citroen and manu's? someone just tell me lol i cant be bothered finding out looking at the tally. :) :p
MartijnS
16th November 2007, 10:15
So if Loeb wins here, Marcus has to win Wales and Loeb has to finish at least 4th there. That will be tough..
Halvis
16th November 2007, 10:20
So you know for sure it was his mistake? Most propably was but still...
Whether it was a driver mistake or not is not important - the mistake was to go for the victory.
Helstar
16th November 2007, 10:20
4th Loeb in UK ? mhhhh ..... let's face it, either another Elena wrong note or Loeb will win the 4th consecutive title ! :p
euskalteam
16th November 2007, 10:21
The stage is blocked or something??
René
16th November 2007, 10:21
So Super Rally is doubtfull :\
Super rally with + 35 mn penalty :confused: it will be not easy to come back in the point tomorow on the weet road ?????????
Wim_Impreza
16th November 2007, 10:23
Super rally with + 35 mn penalty :confused: it will be not easy to come back in the point tomorow on the weet road ?????????
I say it is impossible to come back in points for Marcus. I think he won't use SupeRally tomorrow.
Josti
16th November 2007, 10:25
4th Loeb in UK ? mhhhh ..... let's face it, either another Elena wrong note or Loeb will win the 4th consecutive title ! :p
Let's bet on JM Latvala's talent then.
Halvis
16th November 2007, 10:28
Stage must be blocked by Pons or something, only new split is Mikkelsen, with +21.45.6. Notional times will be given?
Halvis
16th November 2007, 10:31
Mikkelsen going slowly through the stage.
Leon
16th November 2007, 10:32
Where is Meeke
alleskids
16th November 2007, 10:33
Let's bet on JM Latvala's talent then.
Indeed lets not forget that Latvalla has had good days too and came so close to Loeb in Japan that Loeb and Elena had to go flatout and made their mistake. Other wise, Loed could have gone on cruise control and take a easy 2nd. So passing Sordo is neccessary for a comfortable Wales rally.
ZequeArgentina
16th November 2007, 10:39
Very good time for Pozzo in SS2, faster than Higgins!
Yep, Pozzo is doing quite better than I expected till SS3, it may also be so much mud in the road which helkps him (not much experienced in tarmac).
Higgins lost a lot of time in SS2 but did an amazing time in SS3, and got the lead.
Pozzo is just 10 seconds from the 2nd psoition (what he needs to still have title hopes), but he is only 6th.
Positions are very close!!
KF1800
16th November 2007, 10:39
Would love to know what has happened out there. Atko finished the stage eventually and Pons stopped but why....
MikeD
16th November 2007, 10:41
Apparantly it was quite a big accident and Marcus is currently suffering from memory problems (he is currently in the hospital). I think we can rule out him running tomorrow under the super rally rules.
Now Loeb just has to finish in top 2 and I will have a good chance to celebrate a 4th consectutive championship with 4-5 other fans in here ;)
Josti
16th November 2007, 10:43
Apparantly it was quite a big accident and Marcus is currently suffering from memory problems (he is currently in the hospital). I think we can rule out him running tomorrow under the super rally rules.
Well, he was really flying on that stage I have to say. I hope he's ok!
MHjerpe
16th November 2007, 10:43
Hi! is there any Radio stream that works ? WRC's stream don't work for me ?
Brother John
16th November 2007, 10:45
So you know for sure it was his mistake? Most propably was but still...
Don´t know for sure, i am just not happy with this mistake. :(
Wim_Impreza
16th November 2007, 10:52
Yep, Pozzo is doing quite better than I expected till SS3, it may also be so much mud in the road which helkps him (not much experienced in tarmac).
Higgins lost a lot of time in SS2 but did an amazing time in SS3, and got the lead.
Pozzo is just 10 seconds from the 2nd psoition (what he needs to still have title hopes), but he is only 6th.
Positions are very close!!
Indeed. I hope Pozzo can follow Higgins in the SS this afternoon, but I doubt it. Hopefully he can catch back on McShea. The Dutch driver Hans Weijs jr. is also very fast in Group N, second time in SS3.
barazal
16th November 2007, 10:52
Pons hit a pole and got no oil in the engine.
Atkinson burned de clutch trying to go off a ditch
KF1800
16th November 2007, 10:56
Pons hit a pole and got no oil in the engine.
Atkinson burned de clutch trying to go off a ditch
Thanks, where did you hear that?
euskalteam
16th November 2007, 10:57
Hope that Bosse were OK.
Go Bosse!!!
Scrap_Iron
16th November 2007, 10:57
Paul Howarth of Subaru is :mad: with Atkinson
barazal
16th November 2007, 11:00
Thanks, where did you hear that?
someone from the Subaru team on the WRC Radio
KF1800
16th November 2007, 11:00
Paul Howarth of Subaru is :mad: with Atkinson
What did they say?
dyfi1
16th November 2007, 11:04
Paul Howarth of Subaru is :mad: with Atkinson
Yeah, I heard it too.... I got no doubt in my mind who Howarth blames. Still, if Chris was only to drive at 70% to get solid result then who can blame him?
DonJippo
16th November 2007, 11:05
mistake was to go for the victory.
Intresting concept for an athlete...not trying to reach for the victory.
1LM1
16th November 2007, 11:05
Where can we find a proper classification after SS4?
I would like to know who is out and who isn't.
What about Meeke ? Atkinson ? I saw that atkinson reached the end of the stage eventually (20 minutes late of course). But don't now if he can continue.
Scrap_Iron
16th November 2007, 11:05
What did they say?
http://www.wrc.com/page/RallyRadio/0,,10111,00.html
Howarth told Atkinson that 70% would be enough
KF1800
16th November 2007, 11:07
http://www.wrc.com/page/RallyRadio/0,,10111,00.html
Howarth told Atkinson that 70% would be enough
Thanks, my speakers are not working and I am dying to hear the details..
Fang
16th November 2007, 11:08
Paul Howarth of Subaru is :mad: with Atkinson
I heard that interview. Atko may have stuffed up but a bit harsh of Howarth given the conditions IMO. Sure the gravel crews gave Chris notes about stage conditions (as Paul explained) but those were before the cars went through and threw mud all over the road.
ZequeArgentina
16th November 2007, 11:12
wow, just hope Marcus and Timo are ok!!
Leon
16th November 2007, 11:14
Big mess at Subaru. Results are not coming but crashes. Team blames drivers and vise versa. DR promised in public to be tough, bang heads etc... Lets see how it ends up. Hope for better days. WRC cannot afford to loose more teams.
I´ m curious about what the Japanese Subaru boss told DR during rally japan.
Tomi
16th November 2007, 11:16
both bosse and timo are ok, they just had to go for a check to the hospital.
dyfi1
16th November 2007, 11:18
I heard that interview. Atko may have stuffed up but a bit harsh of Howarth given the conditions IMO. Sure the gravel crews gave Chris notes about stage conditions (as Paul explained) but those were before the cars went through and threw mud all over the road.
Pons coming to grief on the same stage compounded Howarths` situation.... little wonder he came over as a little sharp ;)
Tom206wrc
16th November 2007, 11:18
What a start of Rally Ireland !!! :s
Whinlatter
16th November 2007, 11:22
could someone explain to me why the irish drivers are soooo slow??
they loose on stage 1 more than 5 sec/km to the top?? and dont tell because of the mud, the fastest grN drivers are just seconds slower than the fastest irish drivers..??
reg
wrc1
I think only Meeke and Donnelly were expected to get anywhere near the WRC regulars - and Donnelly has only had one run in the Fabia before this rally so he won't be so fast yet.
Nesbitt has done very few rallies this year so is down on practice, Gareth MacHale is still getting over his accident in Sardinia (I think?), McNulty, Boland, Aaron MacHale etc are just not as fast as the others - in fact I wouldn't expect them to be near the pace of Wilson or Mikkelson to be honest, never mind the regular points scorers.
Fang
16th November 2007, 11:23
Big mess at Subaru. Results are not coming but crashes. Team blames drivers and vise versa. DR promised in public to be tough, bang heads etc... Lets see how it ends up. Hope for better days. WRC cannot afford to loose more teams.
I´ m curious about what the Japanese Subaru boss told DR during rally japan.
From an outsiders perspective three experienced drivers struggling with the car doesn't look good for the team.
dyfi1
16th November 2007, 11:24
Mark Higgins to Becs at rally radio..... "The correct choice of tyre would have been gravel."
euskalteam
16th November 2007, 11:26
Mark Higgins to Becs at rally radio..... "The correct choice of tyre would have been gravel."
So wait to the second round for them!!! :s
Corny
16th November 2007, 11:27
ah I would liked soo much for Ford, that they would finally got the drivers title again.. But I'm afraid that won't be the fact, again.
Next to that, Seb will get Mäkinens record, 4 in a row.. Ah, I don't like that :p
MikeD
16th November 2007, 11:29
when will ss5 start?
Corny
16th November 2007, 11:31
in 10 minutes
euskalteam
16th November 2007, 11:33
Has been delayed?
Halvis
16th November 2007, 11:36
Intresting concept for an athlete...not trying to reach for the victory.
I still can't think you mean that is was wise to go that flat out for a victory in Ireland - the overall title is much, much more important - and going for 2nd or 3rd would probably been enough to be on top after GB.
My point is, not going for victory here, would mean going for victory overall.
KF1800
16th November 2007, 11:45
Hi, does anyone know what's happening with timing etc?
barazal
16th November 2007, 11:45
19 minutes of delay
euskalteam
16th November 2007, 11:47
Thanks!!! ;)
Halvis
16th November 2007, 11:48
What happened to SS4, it was stopped? I see that Mikkelsen time is gone from the BFG page, notional times given?
pino
16th November 2007, 11:48
both bosse and timo are ok, they just had to go for a check to the hospital.
Thanks God, that's the most important thing :)
John V
16th November 2007, 11:50
What happened to SS4, it was stopped? I see that Mikkelsen time is gone from the BFG page, notional times given?
stage was stopped, ambulance run to Gronholm's accident
KF1800
16th November 2007, 11:54
Petter Solberg: “The conditions are incredibly difficult out there but the main problem we had was a misfire from the engine. I noticed it before the first stage; the engine was missing quite a lot, so I couldn’t push as hard as I wanted to. Apart from that it’s been okay, our tyre choice was good and we won’t be making any big set-up changes for the afternoon. You can see from the problems other drivers are having how tricky it is already, and it’ll be worse for the repeat loop. When it’s as bad as this there’s no option but to drive like my grandmother.”
Additional information: In service A the cause of Petter’s engine problem was traced to a faulty sensor.
Car number 8
Chris Atkinson: “It’s very disappointing. The accident happened at the 15km point of SS4, on a very slippery right hand bend. It was a fourth gear corner and I was going too fast, and the car under-steered straight on into a fence and a mud bank. That’s about it. We were stuck there for a while, whilst we changed a wheel and made some repairs, but we were able to get going again and get the car back to service. The conditions out there are unreal.”
jonkka
16th November 2007, 11:59
No results...grr...
Josti
16th November 2007, 12:00
And I thought rain was expected for the upcoming day, so conditions will be even more worse. I guess it's Loeb vs Rally Ireland from now on.
Let's hope the locals can get some profit from this.
White Sauron
16th November 2007, 12:00
Results appeared... And it seems to be the rally is finished before even started(((
DonJippo
16th November 2007, 12:03
I still can't think you mean that is was wise to go that flat out for a victory in Ireland - the overall title is much, much more important - and going for 2nd or 3rd would probably been enough to be on top after GB.
My point is, not going for victory here, would mean going for victory overall.
You are right ofcourse but at the same time don't you think it's intresting concept for an athlete to go for the victory by not trying to win ;)
jonkka
16th November 2007, 12:07
You are right ofcourse but at the same time don't you think it's intresting concept for an athlete to go for the victory by not trying to win ;)
Rather, by avoiding overly high risks.
alleskids
16th November 2007, 12:09
Loeb is setting things straith in ss5. 6.6 sec over Sordo and 11.9 sec over Hirvonen
mdesign
16th November 2007, 12:16
So Sad... guess gronholm will end his career with a second place.
Hirvonen must play it safe to get the points Ford needs to settle the manu championship
N.O.T
16th November 2007, 12:21
Ireland is very very tricky....i wouldn't start calling champions after just 5 stages....
jonkka
16th November 2007, 12:23
Sordo putting a challenge forward... :eek:
jonkka
16th November 2007, 12:25
Then again, not...
N.O.T
16th November 2007, 12:25
Sordo losing 0.3 at second split.....Loeb is not alone here !!!
Halvis
16th November 2007, 12:31
Henning seems to have found some more speed on tarmac, I wonder if it can be because of the co-driver?
MikeD
16th November 2007, 12:33
There are 15 stages left. Let's not call the winner yet. (Strage how quickly people forgot what happend in Japan...)
Corny
16th November 2007, 12:34
There are 15 stages left. Let's not call the winner yet. (Strage how quickly people forgot what happend in Japan...)
Japan was gravel eh!
Whinlatter
16th November 2007, 12:36
Bollocks! Kris Meeke dropped a minute in there...... :(
jonkka
16th November 2007, 12:36
There are 15 stages left. Let's not call the winner yet. (Strage how quickly people forgot what happend in Japan...)
You know the proverb about lightning striking twice?
Tom206wrc
16th November 2007, 12:37
Latvala could pass Hirvonen after SS6 :mark:
jonkka
16th November 2007, 12:39
Yeah, Mikko is taking it really easy now. Ford needs those points.
alleskids
16th November 2007, 12:42
Only Latvalla seems to have the same speed as the Citroen boys, atleast he tries to match Sordo. Hirvonen is on a cruise control mission, and the rest is not fast enough, not even the local drivers.
jonkka
16th November 2007, 12:46
Latvala's first podium if he can keep it together...
AlfaWRC
16th November 2007, 12:50
Incredible time of Andy Aigner on SS5!!!! Yeahhhh
COD
16th November 2007, 12:56
**** . Work prevents me from following the rally, and when I return, Marcus has done it again. NOOOOOOOO.
Also, the rally for lead seems to be over, Sordo slowing down enough to let Seb win it and Mikko must bring hope the manu points. And nobody else can do anything. Henning has been the positive surprise, maybe he should keep his new co-driver? The Irish driver have been disapointing, but good that the level of WRC-regulars is higher that local, it gives the series credibility.
Josti
16th November 2007, 13:04
Incredible time of Andy Aigner on SS5!!!! Yeahhhh
Great time indeed. Bit surprised the Group N drivers can follow so well. Though, it's been quite hectic in the early stages . So far v/d Heuvel is coming along pretty well too.
Sami
16th November 2007, 13:08
How about G.Wilks?
Superb drive again in an unfamiliar car!
I have been wondering since his Puma years why everyone is speaking about Meeke but not the faster and more consistent driver, Wilks.
Wilks has been my favourite for a long time, anyone know what he's doing in 2008?
AlfaWRC
16th November 2007, 13:10
The competition & the level in GroupN seem to be really high this time. Really good
Corny
16th November 2007, 13:11
Too bad Duval's not starting here, muddy roads are just like Condroz..
N.O.T
16th November 2007, 13:11
I think sordos pace is good enough here...it would be difficult for marcus to challenge him i think.....
ZequeArgentina
16th November 2007, 13:13
Pozzo is speeding up inSS6, gaining 3 seconds over Higgins, & Aigner in first split 6 seconds over Higgins on second.
A very nice surprise hs performances till now.
MikeD
16th November 2007, 13:18
How about G.Wilks?
Superb drive again in an unfamiliar car!
I have been wondering since his Puma years why everyone is speaking about Meeke but not the faster and more consistent driver, Wilks.
Wilks has been my favourite for a long time, anyone know what he's doing in 2008?
I think all depends on the Mobil 1 sponsorship. A point or two this weekend, would help though (together with his 2x9th places).
But i think there is a good chance mobil 1 will continue with a sponsorship. We already have BP/Ultimate, Total/Elf and next year Shell (with Suzuki), so there is every reason for Mobil 1 to continue.
tannat
16th November 2007, 13:23
Latvala's first podium if he can keep it together...
:up:
Latvala's got it!
N.O.T
16th November 2007, 13:27
Latvala and mikko also have a fight for 3rd.....
Tomi
16th November 2007, 13:33
Wilks has been my favourite for a long time, anyone know what he's doing in 2008?
rumour says, some rallies in Suzuki.
JCarlosPP
16th November 2007, 13:35
At least PWRC looks interesting....
Finni
16th November 2007, 13:36
I have been wondering since his Puma years why everyone is speaking about Meeke but not the faster and more consistent driver, Wilks.
If you watch Meeke's stage times in Wales two years ago you can notice that they were in the same level with Wilks' best gravel stage times during this year. And that was Meeke's first wrc-rally.
As to this rally Meeke told that his car top-speed was 50 miles in hour in ss. 5. Before this problem he was ahead of Wilks.
Finni
16th November 2007, 13:39
Latvala and mikko also have a fight for 3rd.....
Mikko is just cruising in order to take important points for manufacturer. Latvala is maybe pushing but I wonder if he got team order before previous ss.
Overally this rally is no more going by major parts. Loeb is just cruising and Sordo is deliberately driving for second place.
Frozzy
16th November 2007, 13:40
anyone know how eugene getting on?
his fabia looking tidy hopefully he'll use it for a full campaign next season
Whinlatter
16th November 2007, 13:49
anyone know how eugene getting on?
his fabia looking tidy hopefully he'll use it for a full campaign next season
Only lasted one stage before he retired..... :(
Roy
16th November 2007, 13:49
Latvala and mikko also have a fight for 3rd.....
Fight? Ford most important goal is 3 points for BP-Ford. Bonus is 3rd place for stobart. If Latvala finished in front of Hirvonen. Stobart make a good chance.
Josti
16th November 2007, 13:57
Only lasted one stage before he retired..... :(
He retired after SS5 if I'm correct.
Frozzy
16th November 2007, 14:14
thats a shame i was hoping that Eugene would have a strong performance in the Fabia
Brother John
16th November 2007, 14:18
Some fotos of Grönholm and the car.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/motorsport/2007/1116/rallyireland.html
Fortunately nothing seriously wrong with Grönholm! :up:
Wim_Impreza
16th November 2007, 14:26
Very fast time for Higgins in SS7.
John V
16th November 2007, 14:30
Aigner crashed on SS7? Seem all the guys stopped there and he is only one not continue ...
yosssi
16th November 2007, 14:32
here video http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=M6bwb_sZoRA
Wim_Impreza
16th November 2007, 14:40
Is it right that Meeke has losing 36 minutes in SS7? :(
MikeD
16th November 2007, 14:41
It's raining heavely now!
Josti
16th November 2007, 14:41
here video http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=M6bwb_sZoRA
Well, he didn't rolled that's for sure :\
John V
16th November 2007, 14:42
Is it right that Meeke has losing 36 minutes in SS7? :(
yes, he went to ditch and spectators bring the car back to road
MikeD
16th November 2007, 14:45
here video http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=M6bwb_sZoRA
Thanks yosssi,
I actually thought he rolled with the car (like they said on WRR).
Mirek
16th November 2007, 14:46
Very strange accident... :(
feresc13
16th November 2007, 14:46
Thank you very much yosssi!!
It doesn't seem to be an important crash! But the car and Marcus were very damaged!
pucky54
16th November 2007, 14:48
yes, very strange....he didn't even try to keep the car off the wall with handbrake and throttle...
Frozzy
16th November 2007, 14:49
it didn't seem to be a very high speed impact but if you think when the focus hit the wall there
would be quite a bit of whiplash i would imagine
FAlonso
16th November 2007, 14:50
What´s going on with the PWRC times on SS7? Does anybody know if these times will stand? I'm not aware of what caused these delays with most drivers. I wasn't able to tune in to WRC radio for while.
Lousada
16th November 2007, 14:50
here video http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=M6bwb_sZoRA
That steward has a nice hat.
Whinlatter
16th November 2007, 14:50
I think zone.ee has gone mad - only shows Donnelly completing two stages. Also, after ss5 Colm Murphy (top Irish Gp.N driver) is only 4.5 minutes down and 27th overall - on ss6 he is faster than Higgins and top 20 overall, but drops 7 minutes on overall standings and is 51st overall? Either he has major road penalties or their times are wrong.....
Mirek
16th November 2007, 14:52
I think almost all PWRC are late due to Aigner's crash or something like that. I'm sure the times will be changed by stewards.
FAlonso
16th November 2007, 14:54
]I think almost all PWRC are late due to Aigner's crash or something like that. I'm sure the times will be changed by stewards.
Thx mate!
Wim_Impreza
16th November 2007, 15:01
yes, he went to ditch and spectators bring the car back to road
It's a pity for him, thanks for this answer.
HaCo
16th November 2007, 15:23
Has anyone seen pics of the tarmac version of the MG Super 2000 that participates in Ireland? White is allready 8 minutes behind on first PWRC car!
WRC1
16th November 2007, 15:23
here video http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=M6bwb_sZoRA
oh my god...?? is it icy there or what???
sorry to say that, but i would expect such a mistake from wilson but not from bosse....with this driving he deserves the 2nd place in the championship.
reg
wrc1
turves
16th November 2007, 15:40
No Henning in overall times on SS8...
Any news?
rp
16th November 2007, 15:41
oh my god...?? is it icy there or what???
sorry to say that, but i would expect such a mistake from wilson but not from bosse....with this driving he deserves the 2nd place in the championship.
reg
wrc1
Have to say the same... If Loeb will take the title, he deserves it. Gronholm had the upper hand, but two mistakes in a row is of course too much. Sad that he may lost his third title, but life is...
Unfortunately he just can not handle the pressure. So many times during his career has happened the same thing...
luca
16th November 2007, 15:42
No Henning in overall times on SS8...
Any news?
crashed into a tree
Scrap_Iron
16th November 2007, 15:42
No Henning in overall times on SS8...
Any news?
He went off the road. No injuries, stage not blocked (well off the road:rolleyes :)
AlfaWRC
16th November 2007, 15:48
It seems that some boys are risking a bit too much today...
Hopefully Mikko just stays on the road.
White Sauron
16th November 2007, 15:50
Seems Pozzo can also behave like Loeb and comfortably cruise to the victory...
Scrap_Iron
16th November 2007, 15:52
It seems that some boys are risking a bit too much today...
Hopefully Mikko just stays on the road.
TBH I think conditions are just catching them out.
There is a junction in SS8 that virtually everybody has overshot so far.
FAlonso
16th November 2007, 15:55
PWRC times on ss7 still stand...
luca
16th November 2007, 15:57
many local drivers complained about foreigners cutting too much so lot of mud is coming into the road
i think british drivers are used to drive clean and neatly while others are used to do big cuts like in spain or corsica
DaniV
16th November 2007, 16:03
I think they don´t have to complain about the cutting...if the roads make it possible...just use it like everybody
bryst
16th November 2007, 16:07
rumour says, some rallies in Suzuki.
Let's hope so he deseves a works drive. Anyone know if he's entered for rally GB.
MikeD
16th November 2007, 16:10
Sordo takes 7.4 on Loeb. Impressive!
Wim_Impreza
16th November 2007, 16:15
Sordo takes 7.4 on Loeb. Impressive!
Yes, but unfortunately, there will follow teamorders.
bryst
16th November 2007, 16:16
oh my god...?? is it icy there or what???
sorry to say that, but i would expect such a mistake from wilson but not from bosse....with this driving he deserves the 2nd place in the championship.
reg
wrc1
I wish people would stop knocking Wilson He's doing very well lately,give the kid a break.
edacurf
16th November 2007, 16:34
no time for loeb ?????????
sorry there it is
Burak
16th November 2007, 16:34
What happend Loeb?
MikeD
16th November 2007, 16:34
I wish people would stop knocking Wilson He's doing very well lately,give the kid a break.
Beg to differ. I don't think he is doing well considering the competetiveness of the car and how many rallies he has been doing now. I don't think he has made any improvement since he begun.
MikeD
16th November 2007, 16:36
What happend Loeb?
I see a time for Loeb. Loeb is fastest on SS10.
M5
16th November 2007, 16:38
Who is R White driving the MG, and does he have tech gremlins ?
Langdale Forest
16th November 2007, 16:40
Sthol finished the stage.
DonJippo
16th November 2007, 16:41
Unfortunately he just can not handle the pressure. So many times during his career has happened the same thing...
Yes his 30 wins in WRC truly shows how poorly he can handle the pressure... :rolleyes:
edacurf
16th November 2007, 16:41
stohl lost 22sec on ss10, thats 3sec/km on loeb....
Langdale Forest
16th November 2007, 16:55
Al Quassimi almost a miniute slower than Loeb.
A.F.F.
16th November 2007, 17:00
Very weird accident.. it just got out of hand :confused:
I hate to see this kind of finale for the season. The championship is not in Marcus' hands anymore. He'll need a lot help from others, including Sebastien.
Oh well....
rp
16th November 2007, 17:01
Yes his 30 wins in WRC truly shows how poorly he can handle the pressure... :rolleyes:
Of course he is great driver, 30 wins and two titles, but single wins are different story. He has done too many times mistakes, when the pressure has been the biggest.. Starting from the 1988 in the Finnish Junior Championship, last event rolled his Ascona, but despite that won the title, because Kalliomaa dropped also. Last year in Australia the accident was the reason that he was not able to catch Loeb in the series and now in Japan and Ireland..
SubaruNorway
16th November 2007, 17:01
The reason Henning went off was because the wiper and the "sprayer" jamed and after 4k they coulden't see the road hit a rock and damaged the steering
Langdale Forest
16th November 2007, 17:04
. Last year in Australia the accident was the reason that he was not able to catch Loeb in the series and now in Japan and Ireland..
He also rolled in Mexico last year so that Australia mistake was not the only reason why he lost the championship.
TMorel
16th November 2007, 17:12
Out of interest, can anyone remember how many forumers used to complain about how Richard Burns just "drove for the championship" and always "settled" for a safe result as opposed to pushing for the win at all costs?
Wim_Impreza
16th November 2007, 17:13
Who is R White driving the MG, and does he have tech gremlins ?
Usually Roy White drives a Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 9 in the Irish rallies.
Wasted Talent
16th November 2007, 17:31
Let's hope so he deseves a works drive. Anyone know if he's entered for rally GB.
Yes Wilks is doing Wales Rally GB, but in Group N Mitsubishi, as the last part of the British Championship
WT
jonkka
16th November 2007, 17:40
He has done too many times mistakes, when the pressure has been the biggest.. Starting from the 1988 in the Finnish Junior Championship, last event rolled his Ascona, but despite that won the title, because Kalliomaa dropped also. Last year in Australia the accident was the reason that he was not able to catch Loeb in the series and now in Japan and Ireland..
There is always a reason why runner-up didn't score enough points to be the championship winner. All that is hind-sight however. Everyone makes mistakes.
Tomi
16th November 2007, 17:43
Starting from the 1988 in the Finnish Junior Championship, last event rolled his Ascona, but despite that won the title, because Kalliomaa dropped also.
Im not so sure you can compaire theese things, Mikko was in a much better car then, both about on same level as drivers, only thing Bosse could do was to take mega risks to achive something.
Roy
16th November 2007, 17:46
Wilks does a realy good job! With the Focus he was fast and now with the Subaru. Pitty he sponsored with Mobil. No doors open for him by Stobart (Ford is with BP). Private cars or a work seat without money (opr money from a different company) is possible for him.
Wilks is :up: for me.
Do some (fins) more about the accident of Gronholm? Icy, car broke, driver or co-driver faillure? What is the mai reason of this stupid off? Its looks so silly. :down:
Hirvonen drives easy, I hope he finished in front of Petter, so Stobart can catch Subaru in the manu table. Ford 1st and 3rd is nice. A drivers Chamionship is important, nice, but the Manu title is good enough for me.
Go Stobart to 3 :D
Tomi
16th November 2007, 17:51
Its always easy to be clever afterwards, but before stage 4 Grönholm knew Loeb had problems, that was absolutely the right place to attack, now it ended in the stonewall, thats it.
N
16th November 2007, 18:14
I've looked at the video and to me it doesn't look that he did anything wrong, he wasn't going that fast, the car just slid of the road.
TuncaCeleste
16th November 2007, 18:19
where's the video? :o
Edit: Nevermind...
edacurf
16th November 2007, 18:58
Why is guy Wilks now on the 6th position?
Corny
16th November 2007, 19:01
I agree with some people here: Marcus has always been making mistakes during his career.. That will cost him 3 titles: 2003, 2006 and 2007.
But so what? It's one of the greatest personalities in the sport, and one of the fastest also.
Even though he will probably not win the championship, he has been making this championship interesting, and has put Seb on some real pressure.
Second or first in the championship, I don't care; Marcus is one of my all time favourites, he's been making me laugh so many times with his comments, and he's got probably more pure speed than any other driver in the championship..
MJW
16th November 2007, 19:05
[quote="Corny"]
Very true - Marcus truly is a great - sure Loeb wins more championships but as a charcter and personality Bosse in my opinion is a true champion.
John V
16th November 2007, 19:26
Did you try to hear sound of Gronholm's car during accident? OK, road was VERY slippery, but it's more than strange that Marcus didn't fight with this problem and simply slip off the road, without pushing throttle ... :confused:
Roy
16th November 2007, 19:27
Bosse speaks:
http://www.crash.net/motorsport/wrc/news/157251-0/gronholm_it_was_a_big_big_impact.html
Tomi
16th November 2007, 19:29
yes true, he has done a reasonable carreer, there is not too many 2 time (sofar) worldchampions around in the world, also his fight to become a worksdriver in the first place is a story for it self, but time goes by for all drivers, the good thing about rally is that there always comes faster guys sooner or later.
kobefly
16th November 2007, 19:30
Tarmac is Loeb's, everybody knows that, however, Gronholm managed to keep really close to Seb in the last 2 asphalt events, I'm sure he must be pushing and taking extra-risks to do that.
Bad luck, I'm not fan of any of the 2 contenders but I'd like a close end.
Roy
16th November 2007, 19:30
Why is guy Wilks now on the 6th position?
Why not? He is very fast...
1LM1
16th November 2007, 19:38
I have just seen some images on French Television. And it's very good: the WRC cars sliding on such tricky and narrow roads is just awesome. I like that.
Rally Ireland is definitely a great event. Looks like a mix between a gravel and a wet tarmac rally from the outside. I mean the way the cars behave on the road.
Corny
16th November 2007, 21:02
Did you try to hear sound of Gronholm's car during accident? OK, road was VERY slippery, but it's more than strange that Marcus didn't fight with this problem and simply slip off the road, without pushing throttle ... :confused:
Would you push the throttle when going 20KM too fast? C'mon man, he's one of the best drivers in the world, he knows better what to do in such a moment than you and me together!
John V
16th November 2007, 22:18
Would you push the throttle when going 20KM too fast? C'mon man, he's one of the best drivers in the world, he knows better what to do in such a moment than you and me together!
OK, no way to have any doubts about his driving abilities and experience, just trying to understand what exactly happened to him ;) Maybe the road was bit icy and then is impossible to steer on surface like this on slicks (I tried this only once with our old gr. A car and was really scared :eek: )
White Sauron
16th November 2007, 23:00
I'll say one thing. No matter if Marcus wins this championship or not, for me he will always be the best driver in the world. Some people, who don't understand the nature of rallying or have never attaned any, will insist on calling Loeb the best ever - thanks to the numerous wins and titles, and Gronholm - his runner-up, "always the bridemaid, never the bride". But for those who FEEL rallying... For those people Bosse will always be Number1! None of his victories was easy, he always fought till the end. Thank you, Marcus! Even if you don't beat Loeb ON POINTS this year, you'll beat him in our hearts.
RallyfanNZ
16th November 2007, 23:50
yes, very strange....he didn't even try to keep the car off the wall with handbrake and throttle...
Its pretty hard to bring the back end around when the car is in a massive under steer. But I was a little surprised that he didn't try it. But the car just looked like it hit ice by the way it kind of just took off.
Somehow I knew Ireland was going to have plenty of carnage. Just hoped Bosse was not one of the victims.
mdesign
17th November 2007, 01:19
I know it migth be because I'm Portuguese, but, I Think Araujo is doing very well :)
jparker
17th November 2007, 03:16
Out of interest, can anyone remember how many forumers used to complain about how Richard Burns just "drove for the championship" and always "settled" for a safe result as opposed to pushing for the win at all costs?
I remember. Unfortunately many people judge based on their feelings.
I bet if Loeb retires tomorrow, all Marcus supporters will start jumping on his grave like in Japan, and Gronholm will be back the best of the best, and what happened today will be very fast forgoten. Anyway, that's just the way it is.
I just don't know what Marcus was hoping to happen by keeping his foot on the brakes on that slippery section?!?!?!
Dingardo
17th November 2007, 04:51
there wasnt really much he could do once the car started sliding like that.. he did not have the angle of the car nor the room to be able to power out of it or position the car for a impact that wouldnt severly damage it.
sure it could have been avoided, however when you get into a slide like that where the car is sliding sideways, there is not much you could do in terms of powering out of it.. the wheels had already lost complete traction.
What I would like to see is Loeb dropping down to 5th place.. nothing better than two drivers equal on points at the top going into the final round :)
A.F.F.
17th November 2007, 07:41
I know it migth be because I'm Portuguese, but, I Think Araujo is doing very well :)
I'm being nowhere near to Portugese and I think Araujo is doing very well too :up: :)
SubaruNorway
17th November 2007, 08:25
I thought it looked a bit strange to, you hear from the engine reving down so it coulden't be that slippy. Mikkelsen had marked it shiny tarmac though so it was slippy, maybe he thought the runoff was enaugh to stopp the car instead of going into a massive powerslide.
Anyone gething splits?
Kamikaze
17th November 2007, 08:27
I'll say one thing. No matter if Marcus wins this championship or not, for me he will always be the best driver in the world. Some people, who don't understand the nature of rallying or have never attaned any, will insist on calling Loeb the best ever - thanks to the numerous wins and titles, and Gronholm - his runner-up, "always the bridemaid, never the bride". But for those who FEEL rallying... For those people Bosse will always be Number1! None of his victories was easy, he always fought till the end. Thank you, Marcus! Even if you don't beat Loeb ON POINTS this year, you'll beat him in our hearts.
Could not say it better, thank you !!! :)
GigiGalliNo1
17th November 2007, 08:27
quick question. is this a tarmac or gravel rally? :D Just not following it that closely and and and ... not eve a day 1 highlights clip on wrc.com..... and i'm not downloading it either might go over my net limit! eek!
HaCo
17th November 2007, 08:50
Stohl went off again... :S
SubaruNorway
17th November 2007, 08:54
anyone got times?
Brother John
17th November 2007, 08:57
Stohl went off again... :S
:D Top driver? :rotflmao:
dimviii
17th November 2007, 09:00
Here mate ;)
www.ewrc.cz (http://www.ewrc.cz)
loeb till now has an average of 118,7 km/h :eek:
HaCo
17th November 2007, 09:00
anyone got times?
Check the BFGoodrich site...
dyfi1
17th November 2007, 09:02
anyone got times?
http://www.nuclear.pri.ee/rally/index.php?by=&stage=11&rally=Ireland
17th November 2007, 09:08
Bfgoodrich.com result
Loeb speed average of 143.24 km/h:S in ss11
Dilek
17th November 2007, 09:14
bfgoodrich.com result
Loeb avarage speed 143.24 km/h in 11ss(27.76 km)
dimviii
17th November 2007, 09:17
at ewrc.cz shows an average of 108,1 km/h which seems more real :rolleyes:
matSLO
17th November 2007, 09:18
It looks like rally Ireland is tarmac version of rally Finland...I hope there will be onboards from this stage available lately.
Corny
17th November 2007, 09:20
what was Loeb's comment on this stage, 'everything is ok' ? :p
John V
17th November 2007, 09:21
Check the BFGoodrich site...
have you seen this one:
http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/statistiky/?id=31
or this
http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/statistiky-graf/?id=31
satukata
17th November 2007, 09:22
It looks like rally Ireland is tarmac version of rally Finland...I hope there will be onboards from this stage available lately.
143km/h! crazy fast in slippy conditions!
jonkka
17th November 2007, 09:28
That's the stage that was shortened from 27km to 21km, BFG has calculated the average speed with wrong stage length and hence the amazing result. Correct average is 108,10 kph.
matSLO
17th November 2007, 09:29
There are two lenghts for same SS (20,95 on czech site and 27,76 on bfgoodrich). Which is correct?
Wim_Impreza
17th November 2007, 09:31
143km/h! crazy fast in slippy conditions!
No, 108.1 km/h. Please look at this: http://www.ewrc-results.com/results_main.php?event=31&stage=2504&category=&group=
I always follow the WRC results on this excellent Czech site.
MikeD
17th November 2007, 09:34
Is Ray Breen out?
dimviii
17th November 2007, 09:35
@ Wim Impreza +1
best site for results...serious good work from cz bravo!!!
Dilek
17th November 2007, 09:36
in offical ıtenary this stage 27 km
http://http://www.rallyireland.org/spectators/itinerary
jonkka
17th November 2007, 09:39
in offical ıtenary this stage 27 km
Read the news:
http://www.rallyireland.org/news.aspx?article=173
Wim_Impreza
17th November 2007, 09:41
It seems Tim McNulty, who was on the 9th place with an Impreza WRC, has retired on SS12.
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