Official Rally New Zealand Thread

[TheTiger]

Incredible close tonight... ;)

Can a rally really be ending up as a draw.. ?
What happens if Loeb catches up on exactly those 0,7 sec?

Do they share the 1.place... or... are there some other rules that come into action... ?

[jparker]

22.3 Dead heat in a Championship rally


In the event of a dead heat in a rally, the competitor

who accomplished the best time for the first special
stage will be proclaimed winner. If this is not sufficient
to be able to decide between the competitors who are
tied, the times of the second, third, fourth, etc. special
stages shall be taken into consideration. This rule
may be applied at any time during the rally.

page31

http://www.fia.com/resources/documents/855403674__Rally_Prescrip_Gen.pdf


Thanks bt52b. So, the answer is Gronholm wins if they finish tie.

[xavier]

22.3 Dead heat in a Championship rally

In the event of a dead heat in a rally, the competitor who accomplished the best time for the first special stage will be proclaimed winner. If this is not sufficient to be able to decide between the competitors who are the times of the second, third, fourth, etc. special stages shall be taken into consideration. This rule may be applied at any time during the rally[/LEFT]


ty, so Seb need toget 0.8 s of Marucs.. sound tought

[kleisj]

Guys I just bought a 24hr pass to WRC+ to watch the stage! 1.99 pounds. I don't want to miss it!!!

[TheTiger]

SS5 Mystery Creek 1 - Loeb
.............................- Bosse +.5s
SS9 Mystery Creek 2 - Loeb +.4s
.............................- Bosse


Thats only a 0,1 sec advantage for Seb in average over two runs...
Quess that means that Bosse is out of reach for Seb then.... :)

*Crosses fingers*

[Bristecom]

that's one Super special Stage you dont want to miss!!!

what a thrill!!!!

I think Marcus will take it.. but it will be Allen's way, Maximum attack for both of them!

PS: that SSS might very weel decide of the Title!!!!!!
Yes, it will be very difficult for Loeb to take this but it is certainly a possibility. And if Loeb manages to win the rest of the rallies and Gronholm keeps second, they will actually tie in championship points. It's very, very close!

[Fang]

Those of you in Europe who've battled to stay awake and follow this have been well rewarded.

Nol sleep deprivation for me as it's just after midday

[bt52b]

Thanks bt52b. So, the answer is Gronholm wins if they finish tie.

Silly rule. Should count number of fastest stage times before they do something like that who won a random stage.

[TheTiger]

Silly rule. Should count number of fastest stage times before they do something like that who won a random stage.

The number of SS/SSS before the last SSS is actually draw too...
8 stage wins each.... :)

[N.O.T]

well the final stage is on....

[sollitt]

It's not a random stage at all. It's the same stage each event and everybody knows which one it will be.
Being the 1st stage also means that it is one that has been contested with all entrants still in the event before any mishaps have occurred.

And bein such a simple rule there can be no confusion.

[jonkka]

It's a very simple and working tie-breaker rule. In some sports they use a flip of coin, this is so much better rule.

[kleisj]

Henning on stage now.
Up to now Stohl fastest

[bt52b]

It's not a random stage at all. It's the same stage each event and everybody knows which one it will be.
Being the 1st stage also means that it is one that has been contested with all entrants still in the event before any mishaps have occurred.

And bein such a simple rule there can be no confusion.

Who won the most stages is a better reflection of who should win the rally.

[N.O.T]

the rule is fine...i doubt we are going to need it here though

[kleisj]

Henning fastest
Aava on stage

[bt52b]

the rule is fine...i doubt we are going to need it here though

Hope not.

The way the rally is going, you would almost think it was going to come down to sandwiches :D

[Fang]

ARe the cars running 2mins or 1min apart for the sss?

[jonkka]

Who won the most stages is a better reflection of who should win the rally.

Is not.

[N.O.T]

peter was 1 second faster than Gronholms fastest pass from this stage.......

[bt52b]

Solberg was 1.7s faster than the fastest time by Bosse on the stage.

[xavier]

Solberg was 1.7s faster than the fastest time by Bosse on the stage.

It's drier today

[kleisj]

Place your bets! Gron on stage!

[mdesign]

I'm just back from the disco, a bit drunk and just dscover that I'm minutes from one of the most interesting final stages of the year. oh yeah! lol

[Fang]

It's my 13th post so I'm betting on Loeb

[N.O.T]

Great time by Gronholm.....

[malscar]

So two of the three battles decided, Sordo over Petter and Atko over Latvala, now just Loeb and Marcus to go. woohoo what a rally!!!

[bt52b]

mega time by bosse

[mdesign]

I praying for a tie

[kleisj]

Marcusssss

[Koz]

Congrats Marcus!
Fantastic Rally!

[N.O.T]

Gronholm won... GREAT WIN !!!!!! GREAT RALLY !!!!!!!

[mdesign]

Funtastic

[White Sauron]

Congratulations, Marcus!!!! The best ever victory!!! And the record one!!!

[MartijnS]

Woohoo amazing!! Congrats Marcus!!

[bt52b]

Bosse magic. Loeb was mega too :D

[jonkka]

0.3seconds?!?! :eek:

[sollitt]

0.3 secs to Marcus.

[N.O.T]

Greatest rally i can remember of...............never beeen so tense in my life !!!!!!!

[malscar]

Congrats Marcus, great battle from two top competitors. No real losers in this one.

[N.O.T]

Arai take the win in PWRC !!!!!

[Finni]

INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hAT OFF FOR BOTH GUYS. bUT GOOD TO SEE MARCUS WINNING AS HE IS TRADITIONALLY THE GUY WITH POOR LUCK!!!! NOW THE LUCK IS BY SIDE OF MARCUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jonkka]

It's closest finish ever and might lead to timing on 100th of a second.

[Doon]

that was amazing!

[TheTiger]

Only 0,3 seconds difference between two drivers after 353.56 km SS/SSS is really increadible... !! :champion:

Was this the deciding moment of this years drivers championship... ??

[FAlonso]

For me THE BEST rally ever!! Fantastic! I´m only sorry for Armindo in the PWRC. But I´ll remember this one forever! Marcus brilliant, Seb fantastic! Good on them!

[bt52b]

PWRC was amazing too. Toshi did well to take 2s out of McShea on the last stage. Toshi is now more or less PWRC champ.

[jparker]

Pentti, how is your heart?
Great drive by both drivers.
Congrats for Gronholm, faster even under pressure. Well done.

[kleisj]

I almost chew my cigarette....!
Loeb was looking more smooth and was .5 secs faster by the middle of the stage!!!

Congrats to both title contenders for the show they produced and kept us on our toes!
Mega bravo to both! And specially Marcus!!!
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_1_75.gif

[Timole]

congrats to marcus. great effort and result. super rallying! Also excellent for Martin and Kristo to score points.

[Finni]

If somebody knows link for interviews or has heard them in radio could he refer me?

[Finni]

I think this win had utmost importanse mentally to Marcus - looking for whole championship.

[Priorat]

Grönholm 2007 season: 5 wins, 3 seconds, 1 third
Loeb 2007 season: 5 wins, 3 seconds, 1 third

[bt52b]

What Colin called police women
http://www.rallynz.org.nz/images/stories/2007/Pictures/Start/rally_girls.jpg

[Finni]

any comments by Loeb and Marcus?

[TheTiger]

Only rumors Marcus was dancing on his roof.... in pure joy! :) :) :)

Godnight everyone, this was exciting... hopefully my heartrate will drop down soon so I can fall asleep... hehe! :s nore:

[White Sauron]

Yeah... Good day... 3 nights without sleep... Now I have to rest.
Once again, congratulations, Marcus and Timo!!!

[malscar]

[quote="White Sauron"]Yeah... Good day... 3 nights without sleep... /QUOTE]

I don't know, we do this with most of the rallies. Know how you feel though. Good night to our European friends.

[Waldrons11]

Yeah, he did! As soon as he found out, he was on the roof with arms raised (Petter Solberg style!)!!






Only rumors Marcus was dancing on his roof.... in pure joy! :) :) :)

Godnight everyone, this was exciting... hopefully my heartrate will drop down soon so I can fall asleep... hehe! :s nore:

[klm-607]

Marcus Grönholm wins closest battle in years
New Zealand - SS 18 - 3.14 km
[02/09/07 - 05:22]

Marcus Grönholm has emerged victorious in New Zealand on the very last stage of the rally after he and championship rival Sébastien Loeb entertained the fans with one of the most down-to-the-wire conclusions the WRC has known in a long time.

Elated with the win and jumping onto the roof of his Ford team car, the Finn breathed in the applause of the energised crowd.

"Fantastic! Very very good!" said the Finn in the seconds following his 30th career victory and fifth consecutive New Zealand win. When asked if it had been the race of his life, he answered "Maybe."

After several hundred kilometres of competition this week-end, Grönholm's win was accomplished with an overall advantage of only three thirds of a second. The last run over the Mystery Creek super special has become a very special moment of the World Rally Championship.

Sébastien Loeb, who won this super special stage with a time of 2'52"5, only 0'00"4 faster than Grönholm's second place, has been rewarded with the second step of the podium. It must be said that a victory for Loeb would have been as rightly deserved as it was for Grönholm.

The two works Subaru drivers still in the race came next, with Petter Solberg ahead of Chris Atkinson, followed by Stobart Ford driver Henning Solberg. Citroën's Dani Sordo and Ford's Mikko Hirvonen tied for the sixth spot.

Eighth place went to Jari-Matti Latvala at the controls of another Stobart Ford Focus. OMV Kronos Citroën's Manfred Stohl took ninth, followed by Luis Perez Companc who drove into tenth for the Munchi's Ford team.

After much excitement and pressure, Marcus Grönholm's victory in New Zealand was only 0'00"3 ahead of Sébastien Loeb. Mikko Hirvonen managed a safe third overall position without ever being really challenged for it. The other duel of this rally concluded with Chris Atkinson finishing 4.6 seconds ahead of Jari-Matti Latvala.

The World Rally Championship will resume in October in Spain, where the 12th of the 2007 season's 16 events will take place.

Daniel BASTIEN
© CAPSIS International

[GigiGalliNo1]

Damn.... I sure missed this excitement of this rally :( Wish I could have followed it closer!! But got the WRC mobile texts.... but still. Its great to see Marcus go off with another win! Looks like a promising and exciting final half of the season!! :D :D

[Ranger]

Epic stuff... the closest WRC finish ever? :D

[GigiGalliNo1]

!!!! they are replaying the end right? haha

[duff]

Just saw the results.
GREAT RALLY!!!!!!
two excellent battles and a win by 0.3 - fantastic.

[SubaruNorway]

I'm going to have a nap and hopefully my alarm clock will wake me up in less than hour...

Did it, mine didn't oversleept the whole ****ing day, so guted.

[Woodeye]

Well that sure was a close one! After three days Marcus winns by 0.3 secs! Amazing. :eek:

Great rally by both gentlemen and congrats to both of them. :up:

[ste898]

Great result for Marcus...........but its not over yet!!!

[bennizw]

So happy to see he won that! Can't wait to see the footage :) Well fought!

[Magnus]

This was almost a little bit to exciting... I am very glad for Marcus, and feel a little for Seb who was so extremely close. Phew... Can´t wait tíl the TV-coverage...

[A.F.F.]

Thank you Welho for giving MAX for free, now was the best time and see the final stage live.

Congrats Marcus and Timo, congrats Sebastien and Daniel for giving the greatest show this season :D Brilliant rally alltogether.

[SubaruNorway]

Anyone know why eurosport are a day after, should have been the other way around so that it could have been broadcasted prime time not when everyones at work. Day two was broadcasted an hour ago, strange.

[SubaruNorway]

Closest wrc win ever http://www.juwra.com/closest_wins.html

[Luckin]

Actually going to bed at 3.35 and then waking up at 4.15 was way too much for me, I stayed in bed but still all the action before Mystery Creek was just awesome and I don't remember anything like that before.

Eye in the Sky, beautiful New Zealand, epic battle and Marcus wins, what can be better than this!

[pentti]

Pentti, how is your heart?
Great drive by both drivers.
Congrats for Gronholm, faster even under pressure. Well done.No ambulance but I am happy to be a finn and for my pupils. It was exiting and next Misano later today + Nascar. Not bad.

[Josti]

Epic stuff... the closest WRC finish ever? :D

...jonkka?

[Corny]

I hope this was the last time that a organisation decides that the last stage will be a super special.. this finish could've been on a far better stage!
but anyway, fantastic rallying :D

[White Sauron]

Wilson:
"I heard was a big cheer and Marcus jumping on the roof – I’m not too impressed with that and am going to send him a bill for the damage – it was more than he did in Australia last year (when he rolled the car)!"

Good joke)

[mdesign]

This result puts Ford a bit closer to the manufacture championship, on a worst scenario (citroen making 1-2 results for the last 5 rallys) ford needs 44 point more.

[Mihai]

How about Toshi Arai ? Isn't he P-WRC champion this year already? He is 24 points clear of Mark Higgins with just two rounds still to go (Japan & Ireland).

wrc.com says Higgins still has a chance in case he wins in Japan :
http://www.wrc.com/page/PWRCBreakingNewsDetail/0,,10111~1104479,00.html

[ProRally]

How about Toshi Arai ? Isn't he P-WRC champion this year already? He is 24 points clear of Mark Higgins with just two rounds still to go (Japan & Ireland).

wrc.com says Higgins still has a chance in case he wins in Japan :
http://www.wrc.com/page/PWRCBreakingNewsDetail/0,,10111~1104479,00.html

There are still 3 rounds, Japan, Ireland AND GB

But beating Toshi in his home event (although he will have lots of pressure) won't be easy. I even think that Japan is Toshi's last round this year

Will be hard to keep Toshi from a 2nd title

[jonkka]

...jonkka?

SubaruNorway1 already posted a link to my list above (see post 1071). Yes, this is the closest WRC win ever (unless two dead heats of 1973 Safari and 1985 Ivory Coast are included and I don't think those should as it was not same overall timing concept but penalties). The outgoing record is 2.1 seconds between Colin McRae and Carlos Sainz in 1998 Portugal.

[pantealex]

There are still 3 rounds, Japan, Ireland AND GB

But beating Toshi in his home event (although he will have lots of pressure) won't be easy. I even think that Japan is Toshi's last round this year

Toshi has done 5/6 so Japan will be his last round

Mark has done 3/6 so he can score all 3 events

But I still think Toshi will be the champion!

[bowler]

It's closest finish ever and might lead to timing on 100th of a second.

timing is done to 100th already

[Xeroid]

Awesome event, only managed to get to one stage cos I broke my 'co-driver'. Bottomed out the Legnum on a bad hollow on an access road and strained her back.
But there are some pics from SS8 up on my site.
http://rallyshotz-nz.freehostia.com
Motorsports button on left, enjoy.

[Glee]

A diff of .3 sec. equals about 7.6 meter with an average speed of 91km/h

[N.O.T]

Now it would be good to see the phychological effects of this win to both drivers from now on....pity we have 1 month gap until the next event

[Finni]

Now it would be good to see the phychological effects of this win to both drivers from now on....pity we have 1 month gap until the next event

I think this win was more important mentally to Marcus. Last time it was Seb who won similar type of extra-tight fight in Japan. Seb also has so long tradition of succes (three consecutive world title) that he has been more comfortable for the moment - relaxation of long time winner. Now Marcus has four gravel win in the row and there is appearing nice streak of succes.

[J4MIE]

Hi guys, been away to the ulster rally... Did I miss anything? :D

[Lalo]

A diff of .3 sec. equals about 7.6 meter with an average speed of 91km/h

After almost four hours of driving it's just amazing that the final difference between Sèb and Marcus is of only .3 of a second. It's the closest gap ever between two competitors who are fighting for the lead. It's quite usual to thing that this can happend in F1, but here? Nahhh :D

Thank you Marcus for such a joy!! Let's get the li'l frenchman off the king seat for a while lol! Show 'em you still got it.

[cosmicpanda]

I was at the second running of the Whaanga Coast. Marcus came through trailing his rear bumper, and Loeb came around a hairpin too fast and smashed into the bank on the other side, and then I heard about how close it was from the announcer :D

A good day, that, despite the weather. Refused to rain when I had my rain gear on and rained when I had it off :(

[A.F.F.]

Hi guys, been away to the ulster rally... Did I miss anything? :D

Not much, the usual stuff :D

[cosmicpanda]

I've just watched the rally coverage and I have to say that the Maori pronunciation that they used was just awful. Their pronunciation of "Te Akau" and "Te Hutewai" was awkward but bearable compared to their pronunciation of "Maungatawhiri" and "Whaanga". Other than that, I thought their coverage was good. I got to see every place that I spectated again on TV, complete with incar footage :)

[Glee]

From the coverage, Sebs comment after the rally:

In the subtitles: “Loosing to Marcus with 0,3 was OK”
What he said: “Loosing to Marcus with 0,3 was [PIIIIP] but OK”

[Finni]

By the way, is it possible to find those videos taken by eye-on-sky???

[WRCfan]

Just arrived back in Japan now!
Awesome rally, have 4 GB of photos to put up for everyone. Weather was good, nail biting result. Saw first hand the Xavier Pons crash, was amazingly spectacular. Photos and all of the car after close up. Have pieces of the car sitting in NZ for souvineers.

Was great to see them all in action again, nice to see Aava in the Lancer WRC and great to see the organisers putting on a top effort resulting in a great rally.

Pics and all to follow tomorrow people!!!

Regards
WRCfan

[GigiGalliNo1]

i less like yu wrcFart

[Daniel]

i less like yu wrcFart
:confused:

[greencroft]

Is this the first WRC rally when timing to the 1/10th of a second has decided the result?

I think when it was previously only done to the full seconds, that you got a time to the whole second before so a time ending say 7.9s would get 7s recorded.

It would be interesting to see with a rally was as close as this one, if a different result would have been produced under the old timing.

[Dingardo]

a few of my pictures are up

http://gallery.wrcfm.com/main.php?cmd=album&var1=RallyNZ+2007/

I like the day 2 pics the best :P as I was playing around with the camera on day 1, so they wernt as good.

I cant wait for next year now :D

[Langdale Forest]

Is this the first WRC rally when timing to the 1/10th of a second has decided the result?

I think when it was previously only done to the full seconds, that you got a time to the whole second before so a time ending say 7.9s would get 7s recorded.

It would be interesting to see with a rally was as close as this one, if a different result would have been produced under the old timing.

When was the first rally when the WRC was timed to the 1/10 of a second?

[GigiGalliNo1]

personal joke daniel

sorry :p

[Daniel]

personal joke daniel

sorry :p
You mean only you can understand it? :p

Only joking ;)

[WRCfan]

Photos will explain the WRCfart thing haha.
Team FFART was present at the rally. FFART stands for Foul Fumed Admirers Rally Tour. Our group of guys takes pickled onions with us. Tradition since 1995. Hence the "fart" thing.... haha

[GigiGalliNo1]

seriosuly?

i just wrote fart in stead of fan.

no really

hahahahahaha
wtf


lmao

[WRCfan]

Yeah mate, FFART tours!
Pickled onions raise some eyebrows! People laugh!
They have been eaten by a few WRC drivers over the years, Possum ate our onions every year, he laughed one time when he saw us walking out of a stage and he was at time control. We asked him if he wanted one and he said "yeah of course" so each year we made sure we caught up with him and he sampled our pickled onion brew.

Tommi Makinen was another who has eaten them and gave the seal of approval! Famous onions Matt! This years brew were good also! We were being propelled along by methane gas but was great! Easy way to clear a spectating area in a crowded corner! ;)

[Roy]

:eek: Wow :laugh: It is a late reaction, but I had other things this wekend. great rallly for Gronholm, Ford and the WRC!
I hope for a repeat of Catalunya 2006 without (turbo) problems. Ford for 1-2!

[Maui J.]

Just finished my video from Shakedown. Take a look.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=RzfLAwPYldo

What a great event. A classic.You can't get too much closer than that.
Some great battles up front. Marcus vs Loeb, Atko vs Jari, Petter vs Sordo.

Also really impressed with PWRC. Those guys were charging... Juho Hanninen, Richard Mason, Armindo Araujo, Toshi Arai. Pity Patrik Flodin and young Kiwi Hayden Paddon had car problems, they seemed to be on the pace as well. Pozzo also looked impressive.

I wonder if that's the last we see of the Mitsubishi Lancer WRC?
Watched some of the Eye in the Sky, some amazing pics coming out of there. Made me quite proud of our countryside, it looked stunning from those chopper shots. Pity the feed kept stopping.

I'll start editing my Day One video soon. Will let you know.

[Maui J.]

OK, just posted my Leg One video on Youtube. Check it out.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=9JA3C_yNTFI

[tmx]

the wrc website seem to post the sss18 coverage for free.

http://www.wrc.com/page/News/BreakingNewsDetail/0,,10111~1105849,00.html

[WRCfan]

Our countryside is awesome, doesn't look awesome,it really is!

Many great WRC shots have been taken out on Ranglan's Whaanga Coast stage. Martin Holmes loves NZ for his photography. Of course theres all the other rounds which are very beautiful as well although NZ has that little something which add's to the essence of rally.....


WRCfan

[P man]

Hey guys, just randomly came back on and found this thread> what do u want to know? my tommi is basically groupN
was a groupn car in nz national champs 2 years ago, only difference from group n now as when i ran it at rally nz is it ran a 34mm restrictor (wrc ) not 36mm group A,
i had a hydrolic handbrake, raised gear leaver and 6.5 front bumper not a evo6 bumper (as 6.5 was never homologated as a group n car it has to look like an evo 6.

any other questions???

piran :D


Thanks for the info :)

The WRC bit on the entry list is probably there just because they are A8 cars..

Don't suppose you know if the Makkinen editions are genuine ex-works GpA 6.5s from RalliArt/MMSP, Rugby, UK or built locally in NZ from road going shells?
(I imagine they might be, but then again I could be wrong..)

It would be nice to hear from Mr.Piran about their car :)

Thanks again
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