Official Ralllye Deutschland thread

[White Sauron]

Collin said that Hirvonen picked up a time penalty on the last stage. Anybody know why?

Maybe to promote Gronholm to 3rd?

[N.O.T]

Collin said that Hirvonen picked up a time penalty on the last stage. Anybody know why?

to allow marcus to be 3rd.....he maybe delayed to give this card at TC

[Luckin]

Collin said that Hirvonen picked up a time penalty on the last stage. Anybody know why?

No, he just said that it is possible that Ford team will hold Mikko somewhere, in order to get a time penalty and let Marcus stay in 3rd position. But it is only a speculation made by Colin :)

Hopefully Marcus will make it back.

[J4MIE]

All depends on Marcus' journey back to service :s

[MikeD]

I must say I wonder what those guys are thinking with throwing out uninformed ideas "Big off" "Marcus has no back wheels" etc.

The "Big off" comment came from WRC radio...

[N.O.T]

Marcus put a spare wheel on and he is off.....

[Luckin]

then kopeky 3rd if gronholm and mikko large penalties?

No way, but I think Skoda Fabia WRC will never get so close to the podium again in the future...

According to WRR, Marcus changed one wheel before heading to service.

[GigiGalliNo1]

damn! you can't say no way! there's always a chance! rally aus with mcrae? hello!? :p haha

[GigiGalliNo1]

oh sorry read it wrong never mind! ahhhh.. music..... :| lol

[Koz]

So either way top 5 for Skoda for the first time?

[J4MIE]

If Marcus can't get back to service, he will finish 7th.

Hopefully he will, then Mikko can be 2 minutes late to finish 3 seconds behind him.

:s

:bigcry:

[Luckin]

Great drive by Prokop, by the way... Just a shame he parked it right into the rock in Finland.

A bit off topic, sorry :)

[Finni]

It's a big OFFF for Gronhom.

Were you intentionally provocating or how in hell you got such "info"?

[bt52b]

Collin said that Hirvonen picked up a time penalty on the last stage. Anybody know why?

Might take a penalty to finish behind Bosse.

[Luckin]

damn! you can't say no way! there's always a chance! rally aus with mcrae? hello!? :p haha

Yeah, but that was 1,5 years ago. I mean it will never happen again.

And to be honest, I will be more than satisfied with 5th if only Marcus makes it back. Fingers crossed for him.


So either way top 5 for Skoda for the first time?

It's not a first top5 finish for Fabia. Kopecký was 5th in Catalunya 2006.

[Koz]

Stoner wins Brno

[Finni]

ouch! no back wheer, oil gone. might not make it to the service on 3 wheels!


I wonder from where that info is got?

[m.lowe]

can someone please give me the link to the estonian site please

[N.O.T]

Stupid mistake by Marcus....and ususally when he starts making those he forgets to leave them back.....

[Koz]

http://www.zone.ee/wrcmasters/analyzer.php?rally=10&stage=19&results=1&jwrc=

[m.lowe]

Thanks KOZ

[consti]

I wonder from where that info is got?

we understood you, it`s ok now, isn`t it? or are you going to find another ten thousands of quotes? ;)

[J4MIE]

can someone please give me the link to the estonian site please

http://www.zone.ee/wrcmasters/analyzer.php?rally=10&stage=19&results=1&jwrc=

[SubaruNorway]

I wonder from where that info is got?

you have got almost 3000 post on the forum and you don't know about the radio?

[Christina]

Finni, are you reading back in the thread? The info is coming from Rally Radio.

[N.O.T]

Marcus will make it to service....

[janneppi]

Wasn't there a cow on the road in the last stage, could that have cause Marcus to go off?

[consti]

if i remember right it was mikko that retired last year after the last stage on the autobahn....

[MikeD]

Were you intentionally provocating or how in hell you got such "info"?

Like I said. It was Collin who said "Big off for Gronholm".

[J4MIE]

Wasn't there a cow on the road in the last stage, could that have cause Marcus to go off?

We'll have to wait to hear what he says when he speaks to someone.... rally radio said they will speak to malcolm wilson shortly. But I bet that he won't be happy at all :s

[Finni]

you have got almost 3000 post on the forum and you don't know about the radio?

I know rallyradio and listen if possible but I just thought that they wouldn't be the source of such disinformation.

[Daniel]

you have got almost 3000 post on the forum and you don't know about the radio?
Perhaps he just doesn't want to listen to inane chatter :)

[SubaruNorway]

I know rallyradio and listen if possible but I just thought that they wouldn't be the source of such disinformation.

It's not disinformation he did go off

[White Sauron]

Gro made it to the finish!

[Addicted]

Finnish rallymafia hit wrong driver(s) this time

[consti]

I know rallyradio and listen if possible but I just thought that they wouldn't be the source of such disinformation.

why disinformation, it was a big off, otherwise the car would not smoke on the back end, and seb told rallyradio that he saw something on a sixth gear part of the stage...

[Daniel]

Well if Marcus is on 3 wheels is he not automatically excluded? The rules do state that you're not allowed to drive on a road section on 3 wheels do they not?

[SubaruNorway]

why disinformation, it was a big off, otherwise the car would not smoke on the back end, and seb told rallyradio that he saw something on a sixth gear part of the stage...

The Ford only has 5 gears though, just kiding :D

[pino]

Too bad for Marcus, this could cost him the title...

[consti]

The Ford only has 5 gears though, just kiding :D

hehe but seb has six, (at least i think so), and said this :)

[Kamikaze]

Well if Marcus is on 3 wheels is he not automatically excluded? The rules do state that you're not allowed to drive on a road section on 3 wheels do they not?

He is not on 3 Wheels !

[SubaruNorway]

Well if Marcus is on 3 wheels is he not automatically excluded? The rules do state that you're not allowed to drive on a road section on 3 wheels do they not?


No, one of the rearwheels was toed in so there was a possebilty that the tyre could wear out, sounds like he made it though. Can't wait to see the inboard of that must have been masive

[N.O.T]

Well if Marcus is on 3 wheels is he not automatically excluded? The rules do state that you're not allowed to drive on a road section on 3 wheels do they not?

he is not on 3 wheels...

[jonas_mcrae]

glad he made it, also, was mikko on time??

[Daniel]

Sorry. Didn't want to look back 10 pages so I made the mistake of listening to youknowwho. Apologies.

[SubaruNorway]

haha Mikko has no phone

[alleskids]

Finnish rallymafia hit wrong driver(s) this time

The French Rally Mafia did exactly what they had to do. :) They have been doing it for the last 4 year so they have enough experience to know how to surprise their competition.

[N.O.T]

Hirvonen didn't say anything about team orders...

[J4MIE]

Looks like 4th for Marcus, Mikko didn't sound like he wanted to help him out :s

This could cost him the title, and I remember being surprised that Ford allowed Mikko to win in Norway with Marcus behind....

[N.O.T]

The cow made Gronholm lose concentration....

[kleisj]

Ok at least he finished. Not sure yet if he is in 3rd or 4rth position

[MikeD]

The French Rally Mafia did exactly what they had to do. :) They have been doing it for the last 4 year so they have enough experience to know how to surprise their competition.

Maybe the french/belgian mafia placed the cow that Marcus was mentioning :D

[Koz]

I think its sad if Mikko intentionally didnt get a penalty for Marcus.
But then again the FIA *******s might find a way to screw Mikko or Marcus or Ford somehow...

[Christina]

I think maybe it was a French cow.. Or a Belgian cow brought by all the Citroen fans down there in Germany today!

[Koz]

Just hope all the sheep in NZ dont distract Marcus :p

[Addicted]

Looks like 4th for Marcus, Mikko didn't sound like he wanted to help him out :s

This could cost him the title, and I remember being surprised that Ford allowed Mikko to win in Norway with Marcus behind....

Grönholm don`t wnt any mercy points by teamorders so Hirvonen will keep his third place like kept his win in Norway.

[m.lowe]

Congrats to Loeb and Duval and the Skoda done good of whatshisname

[N.O.T]

No team orders.....good move by Ford...everyone gets what they deserve

[m.lowe]

MW says no team orders

[J4MIE]

Congrats to Loeb and Duval and the Skoda done good of whatshisname

Ko-pech-kee :cool:

[Finni]

It's not disinformation he did go off

But the post I cited said "big OFFFF".

[SubaruNorway]

But the post I cited said "big OFFFF".

it was!

[Daniel]

But the post I cited said "big OFFFF".
Finni :) People on this forum are more than happy to make up their own news :) After all that's what WRR does :)

[KKS]

Ko-pech-kee :cool:

maybe Ko-pets-kee ;)

[m.lowe]

MW says no team orders

[Koz]

Its been a while since we had a citroen 1-2. Atleast Gronholm finished. Championship is no where near over yet!
Duval very good job, but he should have won. Good job none the less.

[Finni]

Finni :) People on this forum are more than happy to make up their own news :) After all that's what WRR does :)

Once we agree.. :)

[m.lowe]

Ko-pech-kee :cool:

Thats ya boy ya
excellent, Skoda still have an excellent car there but need McRae and Kopecky in the team

[Mirek]

KKS: Your Kopecký sounds better :D

[m.lowe]

Tempted to go to Rally Ireland now that is gonna be some event

[Koz]

Will this result make Suzuki think about Kopecky?
Big boost for Duvals chances.

[Daniel]

Once we agree.. :)
Well I posted a new thread that you might want to have a look at if you don't like WRR :p

[Finni]

Its been a while since we had a citroen 1-2. Atleast Gronholm finished. Championship is no where near over yet!
Duval very good job, but he should have won. Good job none the less.

I would say that Grönholm and Seb are in quite equal footings from that moment. Marcus is likely to loose his points advantage to Seb on tarmac but on the other hand he could be bit stronger in gravel rallies.

But it has to be said that Marcus has done incredible season to this moment.
Now he did his first slight error which was partly caused by cow incident. He said that his listening of notes was confused in that moment.

I see that championship will not be down to few points. Much is down to the reliability of drivers and their cars.

[N]

An interesting rally, it went all the way to the last stage. Congrats to Duval for finishing on a podium and being able to push right to the end. Shame about Marcus, but such is life.

[White Sauron]

I would say that Grönholm and Seb are in quite equal footings from that moment. Marcus is likely to loose his points advantage to Seb on tarmac but on the other hand he could be bit stronger in gravel rallies.

But it has to be said that Marcus has done incredible season to this moment.
Now he did his first slight error which was partly caused by cow incident. He said that his listening of notes was confused in that moment.

I see that championship will not be down to few points. Much is down to the reliability of drivers and their cars.

The problem for Marcus is, that Loeb will be at least on par with him on gravel, and only Hirvonen can prevent him from getting more points. And on asphalt there're much more drivers who can finish behind Loeb but ahead of Gronholm... unfortunately...

[Koz]

For some reason I still think we should not count out Petter and Attkinson on gravel either. More than anything else, I think they will hamper Marcus the most.
After today I am hoping that we will not think that this is a 2 man show.

[René]

Last news from Marcus

http://i22.servimg.com/u/f22/11/47/50/08/marcus10.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=20&u=11475008)

[Priorat]

Last news from Marcus

http://i22.servimg.com/u/f22/11/47/50/08/marcus10.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=20&u=11475008)

Umm. Somebody has a unit of the new rear wing of Focus 07

[White Sauron]

Last news from Marcus

http://i22.servimg.com/u/f22/11/47/50/08/marcus10.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=20&u=11475008)

Thanks! A good thing in this situation is that now I know how Focus WRC looks without rear wing.

[Koz]

Best rally in a long long time.
Good night guys!

[m.lowe]

keep and eye on ebay for for an 07 Focus WRC spoiler lol

[Daniel]

Strangely a lot like a regular focus with WRC arches and a spare wheel hanging out the bottom :p

[Erki]

Interesting that the exhaust seems to be quite intact still.

[A.F.F.]

Hey AFF, me too, much as I like Toni, 5th place for our boy :)

BTW, just ordered a new Skoda :)


Actually, the reason I wrote I'm happy about Toni not being happy, is that this was the first time Toni showed some anger and not just smiling with a banana in his hand. Maybe this will awake his attack in the future.

But, I'm happy Ko-pets-kee drove a good rally :)

and btw... I'll PM you about that new Skoda ;)

[Daniel]

Actually, the reason I wrote I'm happy about Toni not being happy, is that this was the first time Toni showed some anger and not just smiling with a banana in his hand. Maybe this will awake his attack in the future.

But, I'm happy Ko-pets-kee drove a good rally :)

and btw... I'll PM you about that new Skoda ;)
Not the Skoda! Don't talk to AFF about bloody Skoda's!

P.S RS is it a Jani Paasonen edition one? :D I hear there were only two suckers who'd have bought that car but it seems Skoda have a 3rd buyer for it :p

[Corny]

Last news from Marcus

http://i22.servimg.com/u/f22/11/47/50/08/marcus10.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=20&u=11475008)

Isn't this going to be a Hirvonen- Wales 2006 thing? (I mean that Marcus can be excluded for a broken rollcage or something)

[Miika]

keep and eye on ebay for for an 07 Focus WRC spoiler lol

I think the cow deserves to have that spoiler.

[White Sauron]

Isn't this going to be a Hirvonen- Wales 2006 thing? (I mean that Marcus can be excluded for a broken rollcage or something)

No. Hirvonen was excluded not to drive with a broken rollcage, while for Marcus the rally was over (in good meaning), and there was no danger in driving on the road section with (if) a broken rollcage.

[Daniel]

Isn't this going to be a Hirvonen- Wales 2006 thing? (I mean that Marcus can be excluded for a broken rollcage or something)
Silly comment. Would you want Marcus driving through a stage knowing full well that his rollcage offers him no protection should he crash?

[RS]

Not the Skoda! Don't talk to AFF about bloody Skoda's!

P.S RS is it a Jani Paasonen edition one? :D I hear there were only two suckers who'd have bought that car but it seems Skoda have a 3rd buyer for it :p

Is that the one with the off-road package? ;)

BTW, before this rally there was some discussion on the forum about where the best performance ever of the Fabia WRC was. I think we could now say it was Kopecky here in Deutschland, or if not then Catalunya last year. No stage wins for Jan this year, but on some of the stages in Deutschland the gap to the stage winner was very small indeed.

[Daniel]

Is that the one with the off-road package? ;)

:rotflmao:

That's class :up:

Perhaps you can palm it off to Adrian when he moves over here ;)

[COD]

Isn't this going to be a Hirvonen- Wales 2006 thing? (I mean that Marcus can be excluded for a broken rollcage or something)

No, because he has no more stages to drive...

[Finni]

The problem for Marcus is, that Loeb will be at least on par with him on gravel, and only Hirvonen can prevent him from getting more points. And on asphalt there're much more drivers who can finish behind Loeb but ahead of Gronholm... unfortunately...

After Finland show I would say that Marcus will be at least as strong as Loeb in coming gravel rallies. I also think that he is stronger in Catalunya than in Germany. There were no much test-km's with the new Focus (on tarmac) and Germany is the most favourable event to Citroen (good acceleration highlighted).

[SubaruNorway]

Some more pictures of some wrecked Fords, by the way Colin if you see this that angel on Marcus car is called posetiv camber not toe and not in any way as hard on the tyre as having a realy big toe angel, if they didn't corect that some way before the picture was taken then.
http://www.vgb.no/6339/perma/234664/#comments

[Erki]

Wasn't Deutschland the rally where the GT cars also competed?

[DonJippo]

Wasn't Deutschland the rally where the GT cars also competed?

Were planned to but were not allowed to as far as I know.

[A.F.F.]

I think the cow deserves to have that spoiler.

Don't say more Miika. Next week Ivan The Driver will post 3D- models of that cow with a spoiler :mark:

[alleskids]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkOoseXPyGs&mode=related&search=
already a little run off from Marcus

[Josti]

Don't say more Miika. Next week Ivan The Driver will post 3D- models of that cow with a spoiler :mark:

Secretly, we miss him :D

[Daniel]

Secretly, we miss him :D
He got a mention in Finland :D

[SubaruNorway]

Wasen't he banned ore something, maybe that was anhother forum?

[Daniel]

Wasen't he banned ore something, maybe that was anhother forum?
I'm fairly sure he was :)

[Erki]

I think he might have jumped the ship in his own. He kinda just faded away. I don't think he had another choice anyway - people weren't always very nice to him and I feel he got more than his fair share of hostility, given that he wasn't attacking anyone, just being silly.

[MartijnS]

My pictures of the Shakedown, Showstart, Friday and Saturday & the video of the rally made by my brother are online @ http://www.rallymedia.nl ! :D

Enjoy it! :)

[consti]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkOoseXPyGs&mode=related&search=
already a little run off from Marcus

this was in the shakedown and wa't too serious.

[DonJippo]

This has to be the pic of the event :D

http://img.mtv3.fi/mn_kuvat/mtv3/urheilu/ralli/2007/453446.jpg

[Daniel]

Is that the bear in cow costume?

[Tigger9232]

My pictures from Rallye Germany are online.
Only Circus Maximus is following this afternoon.

http://rallyeheart.ra.funpic.de/



Wow, what a Rallye.
I was sitting behind the podium and waiting, then the news came in Marcus has bad Problems and maybe don´t reach the end. My mobilephone felt down, because I was shocked.
Then to see the car pass was great. A bad Backside from the car. but he was in. 4th is better then out. so he lost 5 Points instead of 10.
Luck in unluck.




Tigger9232

[DonJippo]

Is that the bear in cow costume?

Maybe it is a French or Belgian impression of a bear :p

[Brother John]

Maybe it is a French or Belgian impression of a bear :p

It is French. Acording the press It is Duval. ;) Strange way to put pression on Marcus. :laugh:

[A.F.F.]

If it was a Belgian impression of a bear, they'd have majonese on it. Lots of majonese.

[Brother John]

If it was a Belgian impression of a bear, they'd have majonese on it. Lots of majonese.

Majonese make things very slippery! ;)

[Daniel]

Majonese make things very slippery! ;)
Least it had a head on it ;)

[A.F.F.]

Majonese make things very slippery! ;)

Dirty-Jussi :D

btw,... still looking for that river ;)

[Finni]

4th is better then out. so he lost 5 Points instead of 10.

In my book he lost 3 points instead of 8. :)

[Woodeye]

On a bit more serious note, how in the h*ll there was a cow on the stage? A moose, reindeer, kangaroo or rabbit, those I understand, but a freakin' cow?

Imagine hitting a cow from that speed. Wouldn't have been pretty sight for an eye. A big minus to organizers of this rally IMO. :down:

[N.O.T]

Loeb hit a cow in argentina 2 years back.....

I don't think that the organisers are to blame for the livestock.

[Daniel]

On a bit more serious note, how in the h*ll there was a cow on the stage? A moose, reindeer, kangaroo or rabbit, those I understand, but a freakin' cow?

Imagine hitting a cow from that speed. Wouldn't have been pretty sight for an eye. A big minus to organizers of this rally IMO. :down:
That's silly :mark:

[Niels H]

Were planned to but were not allowed to as far as I know.

Indeed, FIA woud'nt let them compete.

And I have pics of the rally on my website.

[wizaron]

:) So my pics (465) also online. www.wizaron.be/ (http://www.wizaron.be/)

[A.F.F.]

:) So my pics (465) also online. www.wizaron.be/ (http://www.wizaron.be/)

My...very nice pictures indeed :up:

And I must say I fell in love with that Ypres historic Gallery :) Great photos :hot:

[Addicted]

On a bit more serious note, how in the h*ll there was a cow on the stage? A moose, reindeer, kangaroo or rabbit, those I understand, but a freakin' cow?

Imagine hitting a cow from that speed. Wouldn't have been pretty sight for an eye. A big minus to organizers of this rally IMO. :down:

Cows aren`t that rare animals in farmside, looked that there was big field next to the cow, so I guess that`s where it came.

And not so seriously. Did THE cow buy a ticket and how did he/she pay it? Milk perhaps.

[MJW]

Did THE cow buy a ticket and how did he/she pay it? Milk perhaps. If the cow did not buy a ticket then that stage should have been annualled and Marcus gets popints for second>

[jbanbury]

I've uploaded a few photos from the event ..

http://www.rally-shots.com

Cheers
Jay
R a l l y - S h o t s

[HJD]

It was a superb rally. I saw 8 Special Stages in 3 days. I made 935 pictures and 366 of them are on my website http://www.racepics.nl

Here some of them, hope you like them:

http://hjracepictures.serv-it.net/rallysport/2007/wrc_duitsland_2007/DSC_0002.jpg

http://hjracepictures.serv-it.net/rallysport/2007/wrc_duitsland_2007/DSC_0003.jpg

http://hjracepictures.serv-it.net/rallysport/2007/wrc_duitsland_2007/DSC_0006.jpg

http://hjracepictures.serv-it.net/rallysport/2007/wrc_duitsland_2007/DSC_0012.jpg

http://hjracepictures.serv-it.net/rallysport/2007/wrc_duitsland_2007/DSC_0023.jpg

[Woodeye]

Cows aren`t that rare animals in farmside, looked that there was big field next to the cow, so I guess that`s where it came.

And usually cows are kept behind the fences. One would pressume that this is the case especially during a rally!

[DonJippo]

And usually cows are kept behind the fences. One would pressume that this is the case especially during a rally!

It must have been a stubborn Scottish cow which does not listen the stewards ;)

[Daniel]

And usually cows are kept behind the fences. One would pressume that this is the case especially during a rally!
Of course the organisers got the cow out on purpose or something. Do livestock never get out in Finland? I saw a moose running around on the road in Finland in 2005. Surely a country as perfect as Finland would make this illegal :mark:

DonJippo :rotflmao:

[janneppi]

I don't think it's impossible for a spectator to break a fence while moving on a stage, not necessarily to get a cow on the road but just by being stupid.

I would think farmers move their live stock here away from stages, i don't think i saw a cow anywhere near a stage this year.

[Erki]

janneppi is a mod? :eek:

[kabouter]

It must have been a stubborn Scottish cow which does not listen the stewards ;)

Shouldn't it be dancing in the middle of the road in that case? ;)

[janneppi]

janneppi is a mod? :eek:

I'm afraid so. :(

[Tomi]

I'm afraid so. :(

Nyt löit kätes paskaan :)

[Lalo]

Great pics HJD! :D

[Markko]

Here is some ADAC Rally Germany pics 2007.

http://www.tangoteam.com/


BR,

Tango Team motorsport

[Woodeye]

Of course the organisers got the cow out on purpose or something. Do livestock never get out in Finland? I saw a moose running around on the road in Finland in 2005. Surely a country as perfect as Finland would make this illegal :mark:

Livestock get out in Finland too, but we are skilled enough to keep 'em behind the fences. Especially during a rally!

If you have hard time separating a moose and a cow, remember that moose is wild and goes the way it likes in the nature. Cow is a farm animal kept behind fences (exept in Germany).

[Erki]

Cow is a farm animal kept behind fences (exept in Germany).

You can add Estonia too. Good old Estonian precision. :s mokin: Ever seen our Autobahns? :p

[Daniel]

Livestock get out in Finland too, but we are skilled enough to keep 'em behind the fences. Especially during a rally!

If you have hard time separating a moose and a cow, remember that moose is wild and goes the way it likes in the nature. Cow is a farm animal kept behind fences (exept in Germany).
So you think the farmer thought. Oh well the cow's out and the rally cars are only doing 160kph past him. Who cares? :rolleyes: **** happens. Are you one of these people who wants an inquiry into everything when someone merely stubs their toe on a slightly high bit of kerbing? :confused:

[wizaron]

My...very nice pictures indeed :up:

And I must say I fell in love with that Ypres historic Gallery :) Great photos :hot:

:) Thanks A.F.F for the compliment ;) and I posted also pics on http://www.historicrally.be of the Historics in Germany.

[Woodeye]

So you think the farmer thought. Oh well the cow's out and the rally cars are only doing 160kph past him. Who cares? :rolleyes: **** happens. Are you one of these people who wants an inquiry into everything when someone merely stubs their toe on a slightly high bit of kerbing? :confused:

You just have to disagree about everything, don't you?

Stubbing a toe to a kerb or hitting a cow from 160 kph are a bit hard to compare I think. I still think it should be secured that farm animals are kept behing fences when there's a rally event going on nearby.

[cut the b.s.]

You just have to disagree about everything, don't you?

Stubbing a toe to a kerb or hitting a cow from 160 kph are a bit hard to compare I think. I still think it should be secured that farm animals are kept behing fences when there's a rally event going on nearby.

Maybe the cow was a Loeb fan? Or just wanted her 15mins of fame?
Get over it, go visit Germany, its not India, cows dont wander on the road, somehow a cow escaped, end of story, it could just as easy happen in Finland

[Daniel]

Maybe the cow was a Loeb fan? Or just wanted her 15mins of fame?
Get over it, go visit Germany, its not India, cows dont wander on the road, somehow a cow escaped, end of story, it could just as easy happen in Finland
Exactly. Why does everything need to be a big deal these days? :mark: Stuff can happen no matter what precautions you take.

[Miika]

If in NORF the spectators don´t have a chance to wander around on the stage then what chance does a cow have? Kidding, just kidding of course..

[Daniel]

In Finland you do get to wander around stages. What rally did you go to a few weeks ago? :mark:

[Woodeye]

Maybe the cow was a Loeb fan? Or just wanted her 15mins of fame?
Get over it, go visit Germany, its not India, cows dont wander on the road, somehow a cow escaped, end of story, it could just as easy happen in Finland

Yes, who knows, maybe she was? Maybe you could ask it from her? You seem to know her since you are defending her so vigorously.

And yes, this could happen in Finland, but never has happened. Cow shouldn't be loose on a stage. Don't you agree?

[Daniel]

Yes, who knows, maybe she was? Maybe you could ask it from her? You seem to know her since you are defending her so vigorously.

And yes, this could happen in Finland, but never has happened. Cow shouldn't be loose on a stage. Don't you agree?
It's an isolated incident :mark: It's not like there were cows on each stage. Just one on one stage. It's not uncommon for livestock to be on the road. Remember Carlos in NZ?

[cosmicpanda]

Woodeye, have you any experience with a livestock farm at all?

I doubt the farmer wanted or even knew that the cow was out of the paddock. I'm sure that the farmer would've much prefered that his cow was not exposed to rally cars, as you say, doing 160 k/h. Perhaps a gate was left open when it shouldn't've been by a spectator not used to farms. Perhaps the fence was broken, by a clumsy spectator or otherwise. Who can say? I'm wondering, though, why did the safety cars and helicopters not notice this wandering cow? It's their job to make sure that the stage is safe, not the farmers.

Personally, I don't see why farmers should be expected to go out of their way for rallies. I mean, they're already inconvenienced enough as it is with all the spectators and road closures, so why should they have to move stock away from the stage and all the rest of it? The last three rallies I've been to, I've ended up spectating from a paddock with livestock in it, and I was grateful to have the opportunity. I didn't whinge that the animals should've been someplace else.

[Woodeye]

I'm not claiming to be a cow-expert. All I know is that they really don't belong to stages and that was my original point. I don't think anyone can disagree with that?

[Daniel]

I'm not claiming to be a cow-expert. All I know is that they really don't belong to stages and that was my original point. I don't think anyone can disagree with that?
Well duh! Just because the cow was there doesn't mean someone thought "My cow will be fine by the side of the road"

[Woodeye]

Well duh!

Well somehow I got the picture that you disagree with that. I don't know why... :rolleyes:

[Daniel]

I don't either :)

[Priorat]

But from the picture it seems to me that the cow followed the advices from the marshalls and was watching the stage from a safe place. In many rallys I've seen lots of spectators in much worst places and they were not cows.(altough they aren't so clever)

[noel157]

Cow hadn't been to a rally before - spectating on a long straight, not even a yump on the road for a bit of excitement. It didn't look very impressed and I don't think it will be going to another rally again.

[Daniel]

Could end up going to a rally again as a rally steak though :facelick: :lips:

[Roy]

I saw the report on Eurosport. The cow standing before a gap in the fence. Just look at any other spectator. :) It looks funny, but a little scare.

This is more scare
http://amberie.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/seb-goodbye-cow.JPG

Stupid animals. I love them :D