Official rally Finland thread

[Whinlatter]

Very close times all day between Hanninen, Aava and Wilks - really good battle between three drivers who have the ability to be works drivers..... if only there were more works rides available!

[Josti]

Nice battle between Henning and Sordo for 6th place. Too bad Henning doesn't have the opportunity to test. I think he's been in the car just once since Acropolis. He says that day one in Finland is more of a getting the feel of the car, and then he'll try to push more the last two days.

Henning will probably catch Sordo on the next few stages.

[SubaruNorway]

Splits so slow today?

[Mauri A]

Loeb:" I´m taking more risks than ever. I´m nearly off 3-4 times on stages."
True or not?

[Josti]

BTW, Alén is pretty much dominating Group N so far. Not everyone expected that as I can remember.

[Josti]

Loeb:" I´m taking more risks than ever. I´m nearly off 3-4 times on stages."
True or not?

He never lies about these kind of stuff. Hard times for Loeb.

[Mauri A]

BTW, Alén is pretty much dominating Group N so far.
Something to do with his genes?
His mother Marianne was also a pretty good rallydriver, and also very pretty, which she still is, I believe.

[Josti]

Something to do with his genes?

No doubt ;)

[Corny]

what a f*cking way to come back from your work, then to see the results :D
C'mon Marcus

[Corny]

I'm sorry to ask this, but what's the live timing site??

[White Sauron]

BTW, Alén is pretty much dominating Group N so far. Not everyone expected that as I can remember.

I expected) Just look at my signature)

[Whinlatter]

I didn't expect Alen to win - I thought the GpN cars were better geared for the very fast stages and the S2000 would be best on the twisty bits.

I don't know if the Punto is faster than the S2000 Corolla but David Higgins said he was giving away 9mph to the Mitsi's (118mph top speed compared to 127mph). On fast stages like 1000 Lakes I thought Alen would get his arse kicked to be honest.....

[consti]

I'm sorry to ask this, but what's the live timing site??

at the moment it`s this http://www.zone.ee/wrcmasters/analyzer.php?rally=9&stage=7&results=1&jwrc=

[White Sauron]

I didn't expect Alen to win - I thought the GpN cars were better geared for the very fast stages and the S2000 would be best on the twisty bits.

I don't know if the Punto is faster than the S2000 Corolla but David Higgins said he was giving away 9mph to the Mitsi's (118mph top speed compared to 127mph). On fast stages like 1000 Lakes I thought Alen would get his arse kicked to be honest.....

These words mean you didn't follow Rally Russia where Alen won. Our stages (yeah, I was there) were even faster than in Finland... And still only one grN car was capable of fighting with S2000 cars.

[duff]

So Atkos doing well isn't he? I know some will say to just wait until he sticks it off (I hope he doesn't) but to be in the position he is, doing the times he is - he's showing some serious speed in finland.

[Josti]

Chris is doing a good job so far. Though I reckon Solberg will catch him sooner or later. I still doubt he will remain at Subaru for 2008. Suzuki would be a good move for him if possible.

[Miika]

I didn't expect Alen to win - I thought the GpN cars were better geared for the very fast stages and the S2000 would be best on the twisty bits.

I don't know if the Punto is faster than the S2000 Corolla but David Higgins said he was giving away 9mph to the Mitsi's (118mph top speed compared to 127mph). On fast stages like 1000 Lakes I thought Alen would get his arse kicked to be honest.....


The time Anton loses in top speed compared to GroupN cars he makes up by not braking in the corners..

[Corny]

So Atkos doing well isn't he? I know some will say to just wait until he sticks it off (I hope he doesn't) but to be in the position he is, doing the times he is - he's showing some serious speed in finland.

He has always been doing good in Finland.. (or at least the first day :D )

[Finni]

The time Anton loses in top speed compared to GroupN cars he makes up by not braking in the corners..

It will be interesting to see how Alen compares to Ketomaa tomorrow. Ketomaa should par at least I think.

[Mirek]

Whinlatter (http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/member.php?u=79109): All S2000 cars have the same gearboxes and the same top speed app. 190 km/h on gravel (118 Mph). But top speed is not enough...

Does anyone know why Alén lost so much time on stage 7?

[Roy]

Focus WRC 07 in front :bounce:
Atkinson is fast and petter is happy with the car I think. Nice to see the sport is competitive

By the way. What is the problem with http://www.stobartmotorsport.com ? I can't watch the website.

[jonkka]

]Whinlatter (http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/member.php?u=79109): All S2000 cars have the same gearboxes and the same top speed app. 190 km/h on gravel (118 Mph).

Not any longer:
http://www.wrc.com/page/News/BreakingNewsDetail/0,,10111~1083159,00.html

Besides, transmission usually offers different gear and final drive ratio to cope with wildly different conditions from rally to rally.

[MikeD]

This might be the rally Loeb will never win...

[consti]

don`t you dare to say something like that ;)

[Mirek]

jonkka (http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/member.php?u=67919): ok, all homologated S2000 have the same Sadev transmission (by the way Fabia is said to have X-Trac too). They have just one final drive and two different boxes homologated, one for gravel and one for tarmac (top speed ca 187 and 178 km/h) as far as I know. Not all of the cars have more final drives, for example C2 S1600 has only one final drive for all surfaces...

[Miika]

A small setup change for Seb´s car in the service and look, he just might start getting some time back - that´s how close it is at the moment. Unless he decides to give up the fight and settle for six points - hope not.

EDIT: Pic of Sohlberg´s rolled Mitsu:
http://lukijat.iltasanomat.fi/uusimmat/6047/

[malscar]

SS8 underway, Marcus in Control.

[jonkka]

Hirvonen second on road? :eek:

[SubaruNorway]

were is Loeb?

[jonkka]

Oh, it was nothing.

[SubaruNorway]

there he is

[Miika]

Wonderful stuff between the Ford duo - gap being a few tenths every stage.

[jonkka]

And Henning passes Sordo

[Whinlatter]

Atko edges a little further ahead of Petter.....

[Josti]

Atko edges a little further ahead of Petter.....

Yeah, I hope on the longer runs, he will catch up some more.

[Corny]

stage 9:
Marcus 3:56.7
Mikko +1.7
Seb +2.6

wow! :D

[Corny]

no splits for Mikko?

[Miika]

Seb over 15sec behind Marcus - and in this event that is eternity, especially since Seb losing time stage after stage and since tomorrow we have the stages Marcus really knows by heart. Game over, Seb. But Mikko still has a chance though.

[Mirek]

On stage 9 Marcus reached average speed of 132,3 km/h. That was during the first run, I don't think this stage will be run again...

[duff]

Atko loses 10 secs on 1st split

[jonkka]

]On stage 9 Marcus reached average speed of 132,3 km/h. That was during the first run, I don't think this stage will be run again...

That FIA max speed is no longer absolute but instead it's been left at discretion of the safety observer. That's how Ouninpohja is back in it's full length (albeit with some chicanes).

[Mirek]

ok, thanks, Jonkka.

[Halvis]

Atko with a stall perhaps?

Again a little dissapointing from Petter.

Sordo passed Henning again, now 0.5 ahead overall!

[jonkka]

Juho 4th fastest? :eek:

[Mauri A]

Juho 4th fastest? :eek:
Hope he hasn´t thrown away his underpants!

[jonkka]

Juho gets a lot of flak about the underwear deparment... :)

[Magnum2300]

Marcus keeps his steady pace. Now -1,1 to Mikko and -4,6 to Seb.

[CABAIO E'LONA]

that battle that we are seeing!

[Mauri A]

I like Mikko´s sense of humor. Look his comment on BFG site after last SS.

[CABAIO E'LONA]

what has happened with Kristian Solhberg?

[duff]

Atko 4th on stage and 4th overall. a good day for him.

[Miika]

what has happened with Kristian Solhberg?

http://lukijat.iltasanomat.fi/attachments/11861277376047.jpg

[CABAIO E'LONA]

http://lukijat.iltasanomat.fi/attachments/11861277376047.jpg

wow! thanks you Miika!!

[Miika]

The car looked really bad when they showed it on TV a moment ago.

[SubaruNorway]

I think Sandell needs to do some training, sems like he's always out of breath

[White Sauron]

What happened to Alen on the last stage?

[Miika]

wow! thanks you Miika!!

A screencapture pic of the wreck Kristian left behind:
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/2351/finland2007wrcfridayss0gm0.jpg
credit:JJ

[Timole]

it has been very good rally so far with all those great battles, specially between mikko and marcus. Urmo has done great job aswell, shame that some huuligans from estonia were up there!
Could somebody please tell me, how is sohlberg´s co-driver?

[consti]

according to this: http://juwra.com/finland_2007.html a citroen will be on second place, who will it be? ;)

[SubaruNorway]

Looks like they are broadcasting the sss in the servicepark, why don't we get it? Rally Norway had 3 live stages.

[MJW]

There are some interesting photos of s Subaru with some additional safety features with the factory drivers "trying this for size" and also photos of Professor Sid Watkins with this car in Finalnd. I guess its new safety features but does anyone know more aboout this?

[jonkka]

according to this: http://juwra.com/finland_2007.html a citroen will be on second place, who will it be? ;)

Hehee, you've found a bug in my programming. Interestingly, I can't duplicate it so I cannot fix it either. Let Citroen enjoy their forecasted podium...

Edit: Spoke too soon, it is carry-over from 2006, common problem with PHP (which requires explicit variable re-inilitialization). Anyway, I already fixed it so that rallies with no results yet do not display the milestones section at all.

[White Sauron]

Oh please, tell me what happened to Alen on the penultimate stage!

[Pille]

Could somebody please tell me, how is sohlberg´s co-driver?
As far as I know he has a broken leg, nothing else.

[jonas_mcrae]

anyone has some links with pics????
the guys from ewrc havent uploaded yet

[Miika]

Oh please, tell me what happened to Alen on the penultimate stage!

Anton had two punctures today, first one in the Palsankylä 2 and a second one in Urria.


N-ryhmän johdossa kaasuttaisi Anton Alén ilman lähes uskomatonta epäonneaan. Alenin Fiatista puhkesi oikea eturengas Palsankylä kakkosella, seitsemännellä pikataipaleella. Alen ajoi vanteella kymmenkunta kilometriä ja menetti noin 40 sekuntia. Heti huoltotauon jälkeen ajetulla Urrialla autosta puhkesi vasen eturengas. Hän on silti vain minuutin ja 20 sekuntia Rantasen jäljessä.

- Auto oli muuten luotettava. Huippunopeutta siinä on vain 165 kilometriä tunnissa. Tämä on nyt kolmas ralli, jossa ajan tällä vehkeellä, Alen sanoi.

[N.O.T]

Tommorow is the decider....i think that Loeb must take risks in order to catch Hirvonen but also to push Gronholm into an unlikely mistake.

[bt52b]

There are some interesting photos of s Subaru with some additional safety features with the factory drivers "trying this for size" and also photos of Professor Sid Watkins with this car in Finalnd. I guess its new safety features but does anyone know more aboout this?

Which photos? Might be something to do with the FIA Institute CLOSED CAR RESEARCH GROUP (http://www.fiainstitute.com/groups/groups_b.htm)

They have been working on improving safety but I've see little in print, except for stuff about the new seat.

[White Sauron]

Anton had two punctures today, first one in the Palsankylä 2 and a second one in Urria.

Oh yeah, thanks, just read the similar things in Ilta Sanomat site.

[Josti]

Just seen the Eurosport coverage. It's pretty obvious 'Abu Dhabi' has to be shown in almost every frame. Wasn't keen on the report overall, but let's put that old story a side now. How are the Finnish reviews compared to ES? I know they did Killeri live, that was pretty good.

BTW, haven't seen the new Ford livery this close yet, not very nice with the chrome and all.

[MJW]

Which photos? Might be something to do with the FIA Institute CLOSED CAR RESEARCH GROUP (http://www.fiainstitute.com/groups/groups_b.htm)

They have been working on improving safety but I've see little in print, except for stuff about the new seat.

I can not post the photos from another website but they are here
http://members.rally.racing-live.com/wrc/en/photos/2007/index_finlande_shak_03.php

[Mickey T]

Same old thing from Atkinson......how does he hang on to a top seat when he is useless!!!!!!!

all WRC cars have anti-stall software. it´s not supposed to be able to happen...

so he´s useless? i think he´s going pretty well. so does his boss.

besides, while they seem to have turned the corner, Subaru hasn´t been regarded as a top seat for at least two years now...

remember, this was the rally last year where subaru sent him out of service with a new gearbox, but didn´t pressurise the oil in it...

[SubaruNorway]

Pons had a close encounter with a three http://www.vgb.no/6339/perma/229616

[JAM]

Fantastic leg with the fight between the Ford Boys. Loeb understood that has no chance in normal conditions and seems more worried with Atkinson than with the Fords.

Atkinson is, IMO, a surprise. Latvala is fast... excessive fast indeed. :D

[grugsticles]

Latvalla is like the McRae of old, when speed is all that mattered and finishing didnt (as much). I like.... I like A LOT!!!

he even seems to be willing to have a real conversaion when being interviewed by the media rather than the usual 'its going well', 'im pushing hard' and 'we shall see' type answers.

As for Atkinson, atm he is doing his job. He's had a spin (correct?) so theres at least 10 seconds, and accounting for that that puts him about 35 secs off the lead (havent seen the latest time sheets yet). To me, theres nothing wrong with that, especially in the Subaru.
But... lets see what happends today/tomorrow.

[White Sauron]

ready steady GO!

[satukata]

Great Fight today. Go MIKKO!!!

[Christina]

Yay!! my favourite day in finland! yellow house jump and Himos stage!!

Am very sad that Jari-Matti will not be starting. Am also very sad that i am not in Finland. anyone got a teleporter?

[N.O.T]

Lets how Mikko and Gronholm can cope with the pressure.....I think if Loeb continues to push the the Ford team won't issue any orders...

[White Sauron]

Much depends on how Mikko perform on the first stage...

[N.O.T]

The big boys started to show......

[N.O.T]

Loeb is setting the pace ....

[White Sauron]

Loeb at hunt

[jonkka]

Hmmmm...

[N.O.T]

Hmmm Hirvonen loses a lot for just 1 split....

[Miika]

Oijoijoi game not over yet for Seb, or?

[jonkka]

Perhaps Ford got harder tyre in the view of three long stages back-to-back and rising temperatures towards noon.

[White Sauron]

Poor Ford boys, finishing 2nd and 3rd after such a good first day will be a disaster for them...

[N.O.T]

Loeb seems determined ......

[jonkka]

Confirmed, Ford does got harder tyre

[Miika]

Confirmed, Ford does got harder tyre

Alrighty, so that choice could deliver when they get to Ouninpohja 1.

[White Sauron]

Confirmed, Ford does got harder tyre

Thanks! In this perspective their times look quite convincing

[N.O.T]

Then i guess if Loeb manages to keep his tyres at a good state for uninpojia we might jave a battle...but if he wastes them then the game is over.....

[N.O.T]

Sébastien Loeb
Citroen "I continue to fight, I don't know we see. We try to change the setting of the car, I am happy with the setting of the car now." Daniel Sordo
Citroen "I try to continue on this position. The new stages are better for me as they are new for everybody." Mikko Hirvonen
Ford "It is still a long and difficult day and I know Sebastien is going to push. I just try to go flat out." Manfred Stohl
Citroen "The speed was okay no problems" Petter Solberg
Subaru "Its not so bad. Its getting better. Yesterday was an incredible day. Sorry I was so miserable yesterday, I was so depressed." Chris Atkinson
Subaru "I couldn't get in a good rythmn, I braked in stupid spots. I need to get a rythmn" Henning Solberg
Ford "I was a little bit out in one corner..." referring to the foliage in the front of the car at the finish. Luis Perez Companc
Ford "The new stage is pretty difficult from yesterday, but still no problem with the pace notes" Juho Hanninen
Mitsubishi "It is not going to be easy but we will try of course." Matthew Wilson
Ford "We didn't make any mistakes or anything, there is no real line there." Xavier Pons
Subaru "Good feeling. It is a little slippery" Urmo Aava
Mitsubishi "Problems with the steering - "I don't know what the problem is" - Hit a rock in the stage Guy Wilks
Ford "It felt quite good in there"

[N.O.T]

Sébastien Loeb
Citroen "I continue to fight, I don't know we see. We try to change the setting of the car, I am happy with the setting of the car now."

Daniel Sordo
Citroen "I try to continue on this position. The new stages are better for me as they are new for everybody."

Mikko Hirvonen
Ford "It is still a long and difficult day and I know Sebastien is going to push. I just try to go flat out."

Manfred Stohl
Citroen "The speed was okay no problems"

Petter Solberg
Subaru "Its not so bad. Its getting better. Yesterday was an incredible day. Sorry I was so miserable yesterday, I was so depressed."

Chris Atkinson
Subaru "I couldn't get in a good rythmn, I braked in stupid spots. I need to get a rythmn"

Henning Solberg
Ford "I was a little bit out in one corner..." referring to the foliage in the front of the car at the finish.

Luis Perez Companc
Ford "The new stage is pretty difficult from yesterday, but still no problem with the pace notes"

Juho Hanninen
Mitsubishi "It is not going to be easy but we will try of course."

Matthew Wilson
Ford "We didn't make any mistakes or anything, there is no real line there."

Xavier Pons
Subaru "Good feeling. It is a little slippery"

Urmo Aava
Mitsubishi "Problems with the steering - "I don't know what the problem is" - Hit a rock in the stage Guy Wilks
Ford "It felt quite good in there"

[Mauri A]

Is Loeb with softer tyres then?

[SubaruNorway]

Gezz im used to gething up this earlie in the weekends

[N.O.T]

Kopecky is setting some very respectable times.....

[satukata]

Is Loeb with softer tyres then?

Marcus and mikko have nro9- tyres and Citroens have nro8.

Harder tyres hopefully works better in longer stages.

Next stage is place to attack said Marcus before rally!!

Marcus have driven next ss many times but it´s new for Seb

[fugu]

Beres off in SS12

[ZequeArgentina]

Is Loeb with softer tyres then?

Hey you are right there!!!!
I know you said you would not go to see 1000 lakes live, but I hoped you changed your mind.

Interesting fight up to now!!!
I will watch this stage and go to sleep (2:30 am here now)!!!!!!!!

Everything all right?

[Mauri A]

Pretty good start for the rally, good fights, no stage cancellations and even the splits are working!

[satukata]

Pretty good start for the rally, good fights, no stage cancellations and even the splits are working!

we are in FINLAND :D

[Mauri A]

Hello Zeque,
Sitting in my favorite chair at home and following the rally via computer and TV, that´s better than standind in the dust in Middle Finland. All well, restoring going on according to the plan, next summer it will be ready.
If tomorrow we get 1-2 in the rally and Kimi wins in Hungary I will open the Rutini bottle with a good steak!

[ZequeArgentina]

Hello Zeque,
Sitting in my favorite chair at home and following the rally via computer and TV, that´s better than standind in the dust in Middle Finland. All well, restoring going on according to the plan, next summer it will be ready.
If tomorrow we get 1-2 in the rally and Kimi wins in Hungary I will open the Rutini bottle with a good steak!

Rally is going well for finns, and Kimi in Finland, that is also highly probable!!!!
Get the Rutini to 17º and prepare it to be opened!!!

[Miika]

Stohl rolled says the rumour.

[ZequeArgentina]

Haninen, after the excellent rally (and convincing in my case) in Argentina were I saw him live, is confirming he has more than potential, he is starting to be a reality, good and consistent times!!!

[satukata]

Stohl rolled says the rumour.

Stohl rolled near the start. Same place where juha kankkunen rolled Huyndai.

Rallyradio "rolled three times to the field"

[Miika]

Stohl rolled near the start. Same place where juha kankkunen rolled Huyndai.

Ah ok. Well at least that´s a nice place to roll in. Hopefully someone caught it on tape.

[N.O.T]

Is this the famous sandstrom place where Stohl rolled???

[Miika]

..and judging by the sounds of the engine, Hänninen isn´t gonna go far with it.

[fugu]

Stohl rolled near the start. Same place where juha kankkunen rolled Huyndai.

Rallyradio "rolled three times to the field"

I heard that rolled in same place than Kosti Katajamäki in Pirelly rally...

[harriswrc]

Hanninen lost more than 20secs at last split.

[SubaruNorway]

Right by that farm isen't it

[jonkka]

A pity for Haninen because Henning would have been very close to him too as it seems that Henning is having problems too.

[N.O.T]

Loeb again fastest on split 1.....

[White Sauron]

Loeb again fastest on split 1.....

wait when his sofr tyres stop working...

[jonkka]

No 2nd split for Mikko?

[N.O.T]

Yes i think Loeb took a risk...if the tyres are not wasted then he could make up some time...but his choice could be a disaster in uninpojia.....

[jonkka]

Pheew...

[N.O.T]

Hirvonen ok and faster than Loeb.....Gronholm took a lot on that 2nd split....

[Miika]

Is this the famous sandstrom place where Stohl rolled???

You mean this place?
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4454/rollap4.jpg

[jonkka]

And Ford's harder tyre works now

[GigiGalliNo1]

hey just got into the rallye action again. can someone point out the action if they wanna write just a little bit on here? Day 2 here we come! What number stage are we of the day?

[N.O.T]

Loebs splits were very unconsistent on that one.....his inexperience showed.

[Mauri A]

If the harder tyres are already now paying off, what happens in Ouninpohja?

[N.O.T]

You mean this place?
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4454/rollap4.jpg

exactly ...the place where KKK rolled also.

[N.O.T]

Hirvene increases his lead over Loeb....now only Gronholm remains

[White Sauron]

And Ford's harder tyre works now

yes... quite a reasonable choice. a real gambit - losing a bit at SS12 to gain a lot at SS13 and SS14

[N.O.T]

My guess is around 6 seconds lost for Loeb

[N.O.T]

I don;t think that the tyres were to blame....i think it was rather the experience the finns had on this stage....Loeb was here for the first time i think

[N.O.T]

3 mins till the worlds best stage starts !!!!!!!!

[jonkka]

So was Hirvonen

[N.O.T]

So was Hirvonen

didn't hirvonen had any experience on it from his finnish championship days?

[Mauri A]

Is Hänninen´s engine gone?

[jonkka]

didn't hirvonen had any experience on it from his finnish championship days?

I wouldn't know, I don't follow FRC.

[Miika]

didn't hirvonen had any experience on it from his finnish championship days?

? I don´t think they drove it in any national event so a bit of a new stage for Mikko as well.

[N.O.T]

ok lets see how many victims Ouninpohja will claim this year...

[GigiGalliNo1]

How long till stage start?

[jonkka]

Hopefully not many, I like it better when all get through without problems

[jonkka]

It's underway already

[N.O.T]

Mikkelsen and Wilson set the same time on split 1

[Miika]

ok lets see how many victims Ouninpohja will claim this year...


If I had to bet, some of the Subarus will find it´s way into the scenery..

[GigiGalliNo1]

thanks yeh getting back into it! how is everyone enjoying the rally? Listening to radio... its great! haha Better then sitting here in silence :p

[gloomyDAY]

Is there rally radio in English? I'm not going to pay anything for WRC.com!

[Mauri A]

As soon as I said the splits are working fine, the hickups start!

[Miika]

Is there rally radio in English? I'm not going to pay anything for WRC.com!

http://www.zone.ee/wrcmasters/netradio.html

[gloomyDAY]

http://www.zone.ee/wrcmasters/netradio.html
There is a God....thanks! :)

I wish I could +rep you for the connection.

[cosmicpanda]

Is there rally radio in English? I'm not going to pay anything for WRC.com!

WRC rally radio is free.

[jonkka]

Oooh, Hanninen... :eek:

[Mauri A]

Oooh, Hanninen... :eek:
Obiviously driving on 2 cylinders.

[jonkka]

Once upon a time Mitsu on 2 cylinders was worth a Ford on 6 cylinders but those times are long gone...

[GigiGalliNo1]

sorry guys.... splits link? as wrc.com live splits aint working for mee :(

[jonkka]

And Pons looks like passing Aava... :eek: to 8th overall...

[jonkka]

Or not... hmmm

[Mauri A]

Poor Petter!

[SubaruNorway]

Or not... hmmm

ore yes

[jonkka]

Subaru has a mixed rally, Atko goes well, Petter in problems and Pons is surprisingly fast in his 1st rally for the team. All three in points at the moment. :eek:

[SubaruNorway]

Aava seems scared

[Christina]

http://www.zone.ee/wrcmasters/analyzer.php?rally=9&stage=14&results=1&jwrc=

There ya go matt!

[Miika]

I can just imagine how pissed off Petter will be at the stage end after these problems..

[GigiGalliNo1]

Thanks Sexiest Forum Member 2004!!! :p :p

[jonkka]

Atko faster than Loeb, what's this then? :eek:

[GigiGalliNo1]

Wat is Aava driving?

[SubaruNorway]

Someone have a tissue ready at the stage end for Petter ;(

[SubaruNorway]

Looks like Petter will drop behind Sordo now

[jonkka]

Wat is Aava driving?

Mitsu Lancer WRC05

[Miika]

Atko faster than Loeb, what's this then? :eek:

Seb´s tyres melting that is I guess.

[harriswrc]

Looks like Petter will drop behind Sordo now
Maybe behind Henning, too.

[jonkka]

And Mikko is pushing, though I expect Marcus to respond once he gets the wind of what young team-mate is trying to do.

[jonkka]

Like so

[White Sauron]

And Mikko is pushing, though I expect Marcus to respond once he gets the wind of what young team-mate is trying to do.

reminds me Alonso v Hamilton... A 2-times champ versus a young gun)

[Miika]

What a great effort from Atko once again. I´m impressed.

[jonkka]

Who are these alonzo and hamiltton? wrestlers?

[SubaruNorway]

slow split on Marcus?

Edit: just jumped one

[duff]

What a great effort from Atko once again. I´m impressed.

Ditto

[GigiGalliNo1]

yeh atkinson is doing well good to see :)

[White Sauron]

What a great effort from Atko once again. I´m impressed.

I wonder if he can repeat his pace on tarmac, like he showed in Monte Carlo... Petter must be afraid of his young team-mate

[ST205GT4]

Looks like whatever Subaru did over the break has improved the car.

[Miika]

And what an end for Marcus there.

[gloomyDAY]

Marcus dominates! Excellent.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Looks like whatever Subaru did over the break has improved the car.

Will Petter but?

[ST205GT4]

Bugger me Gronholm blitzed them all.

[jonkka]

Looks like whatever Subaru did over the break has improved the car.

But only when it's having number six on the side... :eek:

[Mauri A]

So, no catastrophe with Loeb´s tyres.

[duff]

So how long until team orders come into play for Ford?

[gloomyDAY]

So how long until team orders come into play for Ford?
Not sure if that will happen since Marcus is beating Mikko. I just don't see the necessity.

Are they going back to the service park?

I'm looking at the live feed right now.

[GigiGalliNo1]

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[jonkka]

So how long until team orders come into play for Ford?

Mikko will be realist, he should know now that Marcus cannot be reeled in any longer. Malcolm hardly affords to impose orders, 18.7secs between Mikko and Seb is fragile if driver is ordered to drive cautiously. Peugeot lost points in 2004 when Marcus and Harri were 1-2 and Harri was told to slow down and eventual problem saw both Burns and McRae go past him.

[duff]

I mean team orders to stop mikko pushing for the win. Ford and Marcus must be thinking that a win for Marcus and Loeb in 3rd would be a very good result. Any way I know there is a long way to go!

[HaCo]

Has anyone seen an image of Anten Alen in Finland this year? A link to it would be very nice. :)

Wonder how the Fords will be on tarmac. Everybody tought they would be slower in Finland because of lack of speed, but apparantly this is not the case. Has anyone seen Virtual Spectator with the top speeds compared to the Citroens?

[Roy]

So how long until team orders come into play for Ford?

Whether or not Ford will consider team orders on Saturday, to try and protect their one-two remains to be seen, but if they do keep pulling away from the rest of the pack, team boss, Malcolm Wilson may feel he doesn't have any choice.

http://www.crash.net/news_view~cid~4~id~152340~pid~1.htm

[Wim_Impreza]

Martin Prokop had an accident. At that moment he was leading the JRC with his C2 S1600.

[White Sauron]

Alen took back the lead in group N!!!!

[White Sauron]

I also wonder if Citroen will repeat what Ford is doing in Finland now...

[duff]

I also wonder if Citroen will repeat what Ford is doing in Finland now...

I suspect so, I think the citroens will still dominate on tarmac. Marcus and mikko just can't match Loeb and Sordo there. And I think Ford agree. which is why Marcus needs as many points over loeb as he can get here, and every other gravel round.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Wonder whats wrong with Al Quassimi?

[Roy]

Wonder whats wrong with Al Quassimi?

Just slow

[Wim_Impreza]

I suspect so, I think the citroens will still dominate on tarmac. Marcus and mikko just can't match Loeb and Sordo there. And I think Ford agree. which is why Marcus needs as many points over loeb as he can get here, and every other gravel round.

I think the same. Citroën will be dominating on tarmac, so every point that Grönholm wins at Loeb on gravel is very welcome.

Gareth Jones with the Focus WRC is also in the retirements list too.

[Mauri A]

Just saw Mikko´s momentum on Ouninpohja. It was really, really close!

[Mihai]

Anyone knows why Petter clocked the 18th best time on Ouninpohja ?

[duff]

Anyone knows why Petter clocked the 18th best time on Ouninpohja


He says hes having the same problems with the car as he had yesterday morning. Its a bit strange though as they apparently changed all the parts they could to solve the problem yesterday.

[Mauri A]

Anyone knows why Petter clocked the 18th best time on Ouninpohja ?
Same problem as yesterday morning. His car couldn´t go straight, wawing from side to side.

[Wim_Impreza]

Does someone knows what happened with Matti Rantanen in Ouninpohja? Therefor he was leader in Group N. Thanks in advance.

[SubaruNorway]

Just saw Mikko´s momentum on Ouninpohja. It was really, really close!

were

[jonkka]

were?

[kleisj]

6 cars on stage 15 for the moment

[Miika]

Wilks and his co-driver feeling a bit sore after the jumpy Leustu stage there..

[Mauri A]

were?
In MTV Max and just before Kakaristo junction. Backwheels in ditch for some 15 metres.

[jonkka]

oh, he meant "where", i see... :eek:

[Mauri A]

Petter´s problems continuing.

[jonkka]

Sordo stopped

[SubaruNorway]

Sordo stoped

[Miika]

In MTV Max and just before Kakaristo junction. Backwheels in ditch for some 15 metres.

Screencapture pic of THE moment:
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6219/finland2007wrcsaturdayslu4.jpg
Credit:JJ

[jonkka]

Wow, Mikko taking big risks?! :eek:

[ste898]

Sordo stopped


Brilliant!!!!!!!

[SubaruNorway]

Looks like Petter might drop behind both Pons and Aava now

[White Sauron]

Screencapture pic of THE moment:
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6219/finland2007wrcsaturdayslu4.jpg
Credit:JJ

WOW!!! I'm impressed how Hirvonen coped with this!!!!

[kleisj]

I cant really understand what is going on with Peter..... After the last 2 rallies I thought he would make some kind of comeback.... only to found out that instead of comeback he is going just ... back!http://www.todojuegos.com/modules/Forums/images/smiles/badmood.gif

[SubaruNorway]

Screencapture pic of THE moment:
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6219/finland2007wrcsaturdayslu4.jpg
Credit:JJ

nice one!

[Miika]

WOW!!! I'm impressed how Hirvonen coped with this!!!!

That´s as close to rolling the car as it can get - no wonder he was shaken at the stage end.

[kleisj]

WOW!!! I'm impressed how Hirvonen coped with this!!!!

Reminds me the moment Martin had 4 years back. Looks like the same place.

[jonkka]

Is not same place, this is just before Kakaristo junction, I believe.

[Mauri A]

Is not same place, this is just before Kakaristo junction, I believe.
It was, I know!

[Miika]

Is not same place, this is just before Kakaristo junction, I believe.

Yes it is Kakaristo. I remember Rovanperä had a slide there with the 206 one year but clearly didn´t go as deep as Mikko did this time.

[jonkka]

Was what, same place or Kakaristo?

[Miika]

Was what, same place or Kakaristo?

Mikko´s moment was in Kakaristo. Markko had that slide in Ehikki if I remember correct.

[jonkka]

I don't remember the stage but it was final day of 2003 and quite unnecessary thrill from Markko at that point of the rally.

[kleisj]

Another stage win for Marcus.... 20 mins for Ouninpohja 2

[Mauri A]

Do you think that Malcolm had a word with Mikko after Ouninpohja 1?

[kleisj]

Well not harm done at the end. He is pushing to prove a point also.

[Miika]

Petter is sunbathing on the engine bonnet after the Leustu stage - so I guess he is retired.

[jonkka]

Petter goes into a strike :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Erki]

I don't remember the stage but it was final day of 2003 and quite unnecessary thrill from Markko at that point of the rally.

Wasn't it that stage when he had electrics issues and that "Matrix" on the dashboard? I remember he said that at that time he didn't care anymore and went just flat out. :)

[jonkka]

Wasn't it that stage when he had electrics issues and that "Matrix" on the dashboard? I remember he said that at that time he didn't care anymore and went just flat out. :)

I don't remember that, my recollection was that his moment was at the time when Marcus was already out and he didn't need to push so the moment was somewhat unnecessary. Your memory could be better so I won't dispute.

[SubaruNorway]

The team has decided that Petter retires http://www.pettersolberg.no/article/news/2007/08/04/petter-bryter-rally-finland/?lang_pref=en

[Erki]

Yes, my memory is better. :p

jonkka, why aren't you on the stages? You weren't there last year either...

[jonkka]

Yes, my memory is better. :p

jonkka, why aren't you on the stages? You weren't there last year either...

Promise to keep it secret because some hard-core rally fans despise me for that. There are many reasons why I always follow WRC rallies from computer (being pedantic and narrow-minded accountant, I always want to know the exact results after each stage which is impossible in forest, I also dislike drunken and dim-witted John Does who mistake Sebastien Loeb's car for Kristian Sohlberg et cetera). I have a habit of making my annual pilgrimage to rally on thursday's shakedown but I come back to follow the rally from the comforts of my living room.

[Koz]

Why is Qassimi so slow? Has he had any problems?

Sad to see Petter gone. But its no surprise... :(

[Miika]

Why is Qassimi so slow? Has he had any problems?

Biggest problem is located between the seat and the steering wheel - simple as that. Shame seeing such a competitive car going to complete waste.

[SubaruNorway]

Anyone making the splits work?

[kleisj]

ss 16 shouldnt have started by now ? no splits for the moment

[jonkka]

Anyone making the splits work?

Nope

[Koz]

Biggest problem is located between the seat and the steering wheel - simple as that. Shame seeing such a competitive car going to complete waste.

Yeah. Good to see Alen being quicker than people like him.

[SubaruNorway]

working now

[SubaruNorway]

Split missing for Hirvonen

[jonkka]

Again. :eek:

[jonkka]

But no longer... pheeew... :eek:

[Mauri A]

16 stages and only one win for Loeb. Is it a record?

[SubaruNorway]

Wow! Grönholm almost beats Petter's record even with the sjikanes
15:18,5 Grönholm 15:19,8