[WRC] 73. Secto Rally Finland 2024

[WRCStan]

Good to see that Gryazin is RBR connoisseur as well. Makes sense to correct this since RBR has amazing Finland stages. Ouninpohja on that game is legendary.

Have you seen his channel: https://www.youtube.com/@NGryazin/videos
And the Semetin video referred to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Dfyaedp-g

I don't see one for this stage but he did some videos on other channels too;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEjs-5atI_U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNl2QVLEb0w

Deffo a sim fan.

[dimviii]

Lappis crash
https://x.com/dariushaloo/status/1819353422111359224

and from another angle
https://x.com/HMSGOfficial/status/1819371774628221431

[focus206]

What's the weather forecast for tomorrow?
Top 3 Toyota are close, I wonder if at any point they'll be asked to calm down. But Evans and Ogier are in for the title, Kalle wants the win. Neuville should keep trying to drive at a good pace in case something happens to the top 3 but no more than that, going flat out to catch them on speed will hardly produce anything positive for him.

[becher]

Lappis crash
https://x.com/dariushaloo/status/1819353422111359224

and from another angle
https://x.com/HMSGOfficial/status/1819371774628221431
Ahh that looks unfortunate.

[saco0o]

Not sure if he was whining, probably just frustrated with his driving and add some silly humour by using it as an excuse.

westerns dont get eastern humor sometimes haha

[Pfei]

Long time lurker, first time poster.

I have to stand by Gryazin on this one, as banal as it seems. I am also a "sim racer" and competed many times with Gryazin in online championships in Richard Burns Rally. He uses it for training, and in the world of sim rally comparing modded RBR to EA Sports WRC is an insult to RBR players. It's a hardcore ecosystem and elitism plays a big part in what game people see as more "realistic" than the other

Gryazin has always been a big RBR player and besides training he also does it for fun. He enjoys it and is a great member of the RBR community. He is very laid back, has always been very friendly and is, in general, just another one of us "gamers" when competing in rallies online.

I do believe that he was correct in calling out WRC for misquoting him.

Now I look at the quotes on WRC dot com and they have changed it to [rally game]. There is no way they are going to allow a twenty year old modded rally game to get publicity over the official EA Sports WRC on their own website, especially since the EA title has been so disappointing.

It may seem inconsequential and nitpicking, but non-sim racers would have a hard time understanding why the distinction is important to us. Heck, even in the sim racing world it's hard to understand why we take these things so seriously!

[CeskyOndra]

What's the weather forecast for tomorrow?
Top 3 Toyota are close, I wonder if at any point they'll be asked to calm down. But Evans and Ogier are in for the title, Kalle wants the win. Neuville should keep trying to drive at a good pace in case something happens to the top 3 but no more than that, going flat out to catch them on speed will hardly produce anything positive for him.

There is some rain overnight, I'm watching radar right now. But I think that it won't be that wet as yesterday.. Your sentence "Evans and Ogier are in for the title" really stressed me. Ogier is a true problem for Neuville and Evans

[CeskyOndra]

Btw is Managarium a time traveller? Just seen his pickems, wow :-D

[Morte66]

Being out of bed this early at the weekend is not civilised.

[Dontcut]

Being out of bed this early at the weekend is not civilised.
Depends on time zone. Helsinkin time start time at 9 is OK.
This road surface is something else, in a good way.

[jonkka]

And Munster is off...

[CeskyOndra]

Get this man out of the seat.

[Dontcut]

Munster was 2-3 business days late into that corner.

[erikli2]

Same comment from Thierry as every year. "No grip, no idea what to do"

[TypeR]

sad that so few/almost 0 helicopter live picture

[Morte66]

Oh FFS

[jonkka]

Evans spins.

[jcevc]

Technical failure :( disaster

[CeskyOndra]

Evans really unlucky this year

[EstWRC]

Thierry’s title to lose now

[CeskyOndra]

Have you got also RX now on Live?

[AlanaFord]

Have you got also RX now on Live?
Yes

[COD]

Why live cut all of a sudden?

[CeskyOndra]

Did something happen? I dont think so, they would show maps instead this...

[TypeR]

Thierry’s title to lose now
Ogier will take it :D

But yea, everything seems to be playing in Neuville's hands..

[CeskyOndra]

Ogier will take it :D

But yea, everything seems to be playing in Neuville's hands..

Ogier will be maybe his closest rival :D ..

[Eli]

Thierry’s title to lose now

Like I said yesterday…only his head will get in his way now.

[COD]

Did something happen? I dont think so, they would show maps instead this...
Seems not as listening to rally radio cars keep coming. So tech prob on Rally live?

[COD]

Ogier will be maybe his closest rival :D ..

Looks like that

[CeskyOndra]

That's a bit worrying for Toyota before toughest rally of the year, Greece. Did we know why it happened? Some bad jump?

[erikli2]

That's a bit worrying for Toyota before toughest rally of the year, Greece. Did we know why it happened? Some bad jump?

It happened in a junction, not after a jump or similar.

[TypeR]

Amazing VC, now the stage is so much safer :D

[archie106]

If Elfyn can drag the car through Ouninpohja and get to service, he should still be P6, so can still score some points.

[archie106]

Lappi is so lucky, that could have been a huge shunt

[CeskyOndra]

It happened in a junction, not after a jump or similar.

But could be some bad jump before yk and it broke just in a juction

[TypeR]

Lucky Lappi.. crash and roll was so close.. only puncture.

[CeskyOndra]

This could've been an end to Lappi's career.. So many mistakes

[bandit12]

This could've been an end to Lappi's career.. So many mistakes
Or this Korean technical masterpiece is undriveable.

[EstWRC]

Damn build this new car already Hyundai

Painful to hear the drivers.

[CeskyOndra]

I hope that in Greece it will be dominant as last years

[Dontcut]

Good time from Ogier compared to Kalle

[TypeR]

33km of full send and 0.1 gap between Kalle and Ogier haha

[EstWRC]

The switch to skoda has done only good for Virves. Great to see

[Mirek]

Long time lurker, first time poster.

I have to stand by Gryazin on this one, as banal as it seems. I am also a "sim racer" and competed many times with Gryazin in online championships in Richard Burns Rally. He uses it for training, and in the world of sim rally comparing modded RBR to EA Sports WRC is an insult to RBR players. It's a hardcore ecosystem and elitism plays a big part in what game people see as more "realistic" than the other

Gryazin has always been a big RBR player and besides training he also does it for fun. He enjoys it and is a great member of the RBR community. He is very laid back, has always been very friendly and is, in general, just another one of us "gamers" when competing in rallies online.

I do believe that he was correct in calling out WRC for misquoting him.

Now I look at the quotes on WRC dot com and they have changed it to [rally game]. There is no way they are going to allow a twenty year old modded rally game to get publicity over the official EA Sports WRC on their own website, especially since the EA title has been so disappointing.

It may seem inconsequential and nitpicking, but non-sim racers would have a hard time understanding why the distinction is important to us. Heck, even in the sim racing world it's hard to understand why we take these things so seriously!

I think that a lot of us here played RBR as welll and know that. I was an admin of rbronlineracing.cz myself at its beginnings but I stopped playing already 15 years ago (time flies!).

Nevertheless it's still completely ridiculous for a professional driver to distracts himself with reading online comments on the web.

[NoBudgetWRT]

The switch to skoda has done only good for Virves. Great to see

There is 0 point to recce the stages with fiesta rally2

[Mirek]

Or this Korean technical masterpiece is undriveable.

It's built in Germany mainly by French :D

[CeskyOndra]

Championship as it stands: (Evans 6th)

1. Neuville 158
2. Evans 138
3. Tänak 137
4. Ogier 132
5. Fourmaux 111

With Tänak not doing Super Sunday it is really possible that he will be 4th on the road in Greece. So nothing is lost for him.

[bandit12]

It's built in Germany mainly by French :D

Sounds like an introduction to a good anecdote

[Harry hairpin]

If they were sensible Toyota could slow both Latvala and Pajari this afternoon which would get Evans up to 6th without affecting the top 2 cars.

[jonkka]

If they were sensible Toyota could slow both Latvala and Pajari this afternoon which would get Evans up to 6th without affecting the top 2 cars.

Evans is just 26.6s behind JML in Rally2 car, he will get past on his own. Pajari is another matter.

[EstWRC]

Championship as it stands: (Evans 6th)


1. Neuville 158
2. Evans 138
3. Tänak 137
4. Ogier 132
5. Fourmaux 111

With Tänak not doing Super Sunday it is really possible that he will be 4th on the road in Greece. So nothing is lost for him.

Tänaks title hopes are basically gone. With these 3 last fast rallies he had perfect chance to go past Thierry but he failed to do this because of different circumstances.

His only hope is if Neuville will get a zero from Greece.

[EstWRC]

Btw what a time by Jürgenson on Ouninpohja. Miles faster than other

[Morte66]

There was commentator speculation yesterday that the gap between Soberg and JML owed a lot to rain on the stage between them on Friday -- they were far apart in the running order.

Can anyone confirm or deny it?

[focus206]

Didn't see Evans's troubles, did the transmission go and it caused the spin, or did he spin and hit something that damaged the transmission?

Also guys, Neuville is one mistake or one technical trouble away from losing the title, and Acropolis is yet to come, not the kindest rally on cars, as you know. Championship is very much open.

[WRCStan]

Sounds like an introduction to a good anecdote

Or a good geoeconomic metaphor

[Mirek]

There was commentator speculation yesterday that the gap between Soberg and JML owed a lot to rain on the stage between them on Friday -- they were far apart in the running order.

Can anyone confirm or deny it?

Solberg said himself on one stage that Latvala was caught by heavy rain which started only after him.

[Morte66]

Didn't see Evans's troubles, did the transmission go and it caused the spin, or did he spin and hit something that damaged the transmission?

It appeared the driveshaft went before the spin. During the stage, they played the spin and the jump before it, and co-commentator Marcus Gronholm said "that is already broken" when he watched the jump.

[focus206]

It appeared the driveshaft went before the spin. During the stage, they played the spin and the jump before it, and co-commentator Marcus Gronholm said "that is already broken" when he watched the jump.

Unlucky, unless he did something in the stage we didn't see. First major technical trouble for Toyota this year? Or second, I seem to remember Katsuta having some technical trouble at some point.

[J4MIE]

I think that a lot of us here played RBR as welll and know that. I was an admin of rbronlineracing.cz myself at its beginnings but I stopped playing already 15 years ago (time flies!).

Nevertheless it's still completely ridiculous for a professional driver to distracts himself with reading online comments on the web.

Only takes a couple of seconds when checking results, there is nothing ridiculous about it. Most crews will be messaging back to their social media teams all the time. I sometimes would post myself between stages.

[Mirek]

Only takes a couple of seconds when checking results, there is nothing ridiculous about it. Most crews will be messaging back to their social media teams all the time. I sometimes would post myself between stages.

It's not about the time but about distraction. You think about stuff which takes away concentration.

[Mirek]

Evans 16 minutes late out of service.

[deephouse]

Evans 16 minutes late out of service.

What are his chances to be back in the top 10 again this leg?

[denkimi]

Evans 16 minutes late out of service.

there goes his chance to pass pajari and latvala

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Crap car or not, absolutely everything is going Neuville's way so far in Finland.

[Rallyper]

Hi guys.
I´m back home again after had to interrupt my visit to Jyväskylä :( A very bad flu from night to Friday made me make decision to get back home and recover.
I came home this morning. You could tell how bad driver I´ve been in these nearly 500K travel...

[CeskyOndra]

Is there any chance that Evans will come back to TOP 10? I suspect like 2 minutes time lost max. for rally2's

[Morte66]

Hi guys.
I´m back home again after had to interrupt my visit to Jyväskylä :( A very bad flu from night to Friday made me make decision to get back home and recover.
I came home this morning. You could tell how bad driver I´ve been in these nearly 500K travel...

Get well. Watch the stream. The rain is making it quite good rally.

[archie106]

Unlikely, unless there's some retirements ahead of him

[deephouse]

Crap car or not, absolutely everything is going Neuville's way so far in Finland.

But he is always make the most out of every rally, even if he need to clean the road, have bad setup, crash, punctures, technical faults or just is slow as hell.

On the other hand, he (and others have one and last chance for the title), because Kalle is in his own world everywhere.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

But he is always make the most out of every rally, even if he need to clean the road, have bad setup, crash, punctures, technical faults or just is slow as hell.

Yeah, I've nothing against him, just stating a fact. Some were writing him off before the fast gravel events but he could well have kept his size of lead.

[TypeR]

What a time coming by Rovanpera on SS14..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kalle doesn't care about the rain. Amazing speed !

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Wheres Evans on the tracking ?

[Morte66]

I think JML should do this every year.

[becher]

I think JML should do this every year.

+10

[saco0o]

just me or evans, ott and thierry have a really bad luck all the time? theres ways 'stuff' happening to them.
this year's title is almost looking like its going to be decided by luck

[deephouse]

Then we can assume that Seb has a good one, right? And lots of it. I think that driving style could be part of the problem oo. Tanak often drives right on the edge, too aggressively, over the biggest rocks and often that ends with an off, or later with technical issues. The car is more fragile than the that tank in the looks of Toyota.

The most impressive this year is for me Adrien and Puma. He clearly shows that the car is fast, reliable, and could do the job.

[erikli2]

The Pirelli interviews are as exciting as always.

[CeskyOndra]

Yeah, I've nothing against him, just stating a fact. Some were writing him off before the fast gravel events but he could well have kept his size of lead.

Yeah, but still tricky stages to go!

[denkimi]

What happened to ogier on ss15?

[Rallyper]

What happened to ogier on ss15?

He drove "as slow as he could"...

[manthey]

Then we can assume that Seb has a good one, right? And lots of it. I think that driving style could be part of the problem oo. Tanak often drives right on the edge, too aggressively, over the biggest rocks and often that ends with an off, or later with technical issues. The car is more fragile than the that tank in the looks of Toyota.

The most impressive this year is for me Adrien and Puma. He clearly shows that the car is fast, reliable, and could do the job.I think Ott gave good tips last year for (try) development and fix the main issues.

[mknight]

I think Ott gave good tips last year for (try) development and fix the main issues.

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My theory is that instead of constant push for development (from Tanak) they instead started to focus on reliability.

[deephouse]

My theory is that instead of constant push for development (from Tanak) they instead started to focus on reliability.

Maybe the car wasn't that bad at all from the start, just the two drivers wasn't right at all, my opinion. Some drivers are right for one car, others for different. Some just can't connect no matter what they do.

[Mirek]

Lappi changing wheel...

The tyre exploded on the onboard.

Shortly before the finish there is some crashed red car in the forest.

[mknight]

Considering Lappi has to finish the rally for Hyundai not to drop massive points with Tanak out. One has to wonder about his choices...first jump off the road and almost roll, then push for stage wins and now this (though maybe the last one wasn't his fault).

[skarderud]

Lappi changing wheel...

The tyre exploded on the onboard.

Shortly before the finish there is some crashed red car in the forest.Its probably #86, Daniel Salin in Fabia.

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

We'll have to wait for the fan-cam footage to see the real Ouninpohja action. The RallyTV coverage is underwhelming. The camera placements were pretty poor with no sequences of jumps the stage is famous for.

[becher]

My theory is that instead of constant push for development (from Tanak) they instead started to focus on reliability.

Much more realistic than the pipe dream fantasy that a driver (!) fixed with feedback what a whole qualified engineering department "couldn't".

[Mirek]

Latvala with a high speed spin.

Virves in troubles. He is said to drive with opened bonnet and slow.

[denkimi]

Neuville 158
Tanak 137
Evans 132
Ogier 132
Fourmaux 111
Rovanpera 102

[CeskyOndra]

Neuville 158
Tanak 137
Evans 132
Ogier 132
Fourmaux 111
Rovanpera 102

Greece will be absolutely crucial for Neuville. If he will make a good result, he would be so close to glory.

[denkimi]

Greece will be absolutely crucial for Neuville. If he will make a good result, he would be so close to glory.
With tanak not restarting tomorrow, he will not even need a good result in greece.

[CeskyOndra]

With tanak not restarting tomorrow, he will not even need a good result in greece.

One same retirement as Tanak and its gone. And you have to calculate with Ogier, who is driving Toyota in Greece

[focus206]

With tanak not restarting tomorrow, he will not even need a good result in greece.

One mechanical trouble and everything can change though. Evans is as far away as Tanak and he's good on asphalt. Ogier keeps getting closer to the championship lead.
If Neuville doesn't have car trouble nor make mistakes, I think he can get the title. But 4 rallyes (+ tomorrow) is still a lot of Kms.

[CeskyOndra]

Why did Evans retire his car?

[WRCStan]

Why did Evans retire his car?

More time for repairs

[Rallyper]

Rallyper, it appears you forgot to close Pickems ;)

Yes. Not forgot, but forgot my PW so could not log in when being in Finland and only using my mobile phone,

[TypeR]

Hi guys.
I´m back home again after had to interrupt my visit to Jyväskylä :( A very bad flu from night to Friday made me make decision to get back home and recover.
I came home this morning. You could tell how bad driver I´ve been in these nearly 500K travel...

Ah, that sucks.. get well!

[doubled1978]

Maybe the car wasn't that bad at all from the start, just the two drivers wasn't right at all, my opinion. Some drivers are right for one car, others for different. Some just can't connect no matter what they do.

I think Fourmaux said they had worked in the FORD simulator in the US a lot and found some good gains.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I think Fourmaux said they had worked in the FORD simulator in the US a lot and found some good gains.

This is correct. Plus the Puma's reliability has also been sorted... and that of Fourmaux.

A bit more money for testing and they could be better still.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

We'll have to wait for the fan-cam footage to see the real Ouninpohja action. The RallyTV coverage is underwhelming. The camera placements were pretty poor with no sequences of jumps the stage is famous for.

First one... shows exactly as above and what happens if you get it wrong !

https://youtu.be/0-oAw5JShiU?si=XDnpcBK1WPc-FRrL

[trykmann]

Virves in troubles. He is said to drive with opened bonnet and slow.

Disappointing situation for Virves, he has worked a lot to drive these rallies and a podium would have been nice. Fortunately the speed is there and he is able to compete with the top of the field. The lack of seat time makes his speed I think even more impressive.

I hope this has a positive effect with funding and he will get more rallies in the future. He still is 2022 JWRC champion and should not sit at home.

[saco0o]

angry Juho is the best during the interviews. he and latvala are such characters!

oh... and of course Pajari is not on the title fight or whatever, but its really cool to see him on the top5 after all those retirements! consistency is something really important and I hope he has that too!

[EstWRC]

Disaster of a rally for Estonians. Tänak off, Jürgenson off, Jeets retired already after shakedown and Virves losing his podium with the bonnet problem.

Linnamäe so and so

[Rallyper]

First one... shows exactly as above and what happens if you get it wrong !

https://youtu.be/0-oAw5JShiU?si=XDnpcBK1WPc-FRrL

Spot of the day...

[mknight]

Some choice of PS. Last 2/3 not good for spectators, not good for cameras and with banners meters into the road on the outside of corners. Final corner 40 kph between solid bareers.

[deephouse]

Nice to someone rip off that ugly piece of banner :laugh:

[Morte66]

"Mickey Mouse shit" indeed.

[Eli]

"Mickey Mouse shit" indeed.

I really hope for 3 things in next year’s Rally Finland, a longer rally, a proper (and longer) p.s. and having Ott, Lappi & Evans on the podium ;)

[Morte66]

Oh, Elfyn...

[Rallyper]

Something broke on car for Evans.

[CeskyOndra]

Something broke on car for Evans.

No, thats a proper off

[DrLill]

FFS Elfyn

[Rallyper]

No, thats a proper off

really?

[Dontcut]

Something broke on car for Evans.
He was heading into anti cut pollard, counter steered and couldn't do anything.

[CeskyOndra]

I think he was just too fast yeah

[EstWRC]

This is now even more Thierry’s title to lose

[CeskyOndra]

This is now even more Thierry’s title to lose

Biggest opponent will be Ogier. Not good for him tho :DD

[Rallyper]

He was heading into anti cut pollard, counter steered and couldn't do anything.

Alright then. (But stubborn as I am :) I´m not completely sure of that...)

[Dontcut]

Tänak has to go before Evans in Greece.

[CeskyOndra]

Alright then. (But stubborn as I am :) I´m not completely sure of that...)

Its weird, lets wait for explanation

[DrLill]

But hats off to Neuville, so far a really good season for him.

[EstWRC]

But hats off to Neuville, so far a really good season for him.

Definitely and now even managed to build a bigger gap with Tänak and Evans after 3 fast rallies

[deephouse]

Guys, imagine having Kalle also in the mix for the title

[mknight]

Absent technical issues this really looks like Neuville vs Ogier for title.

Kinda amazing how Toyota with seemingly the best allround car might manage to lose both titles due to lack of a good driver strategy only. Just the emergency entries of Ogier+Rovanpera combined might hold that off.

More directly you can have one primadonna picking rallies in the team, but two at the same time doesn't work. Should have picked one of the two. Or alternatively employed a serious title challenger (so Neuville or Tanak) in the last car instead of Katsuta.

[deephouse]

oh fu'''

[Rallyper]

Kalle!!!!!

[CeskyOndra]

Evans and Tanak having both 0 points from Finland and KALLE!!

[jonkka]

And Kalle bins it!

[Rallyper]

Guys, imagine having Kalle also in the mix for the title

Not any more. That´s cruising mode is very bad tactics

[Dontcut]

Un-fckng-believebale!!!

[DrLill]

Sick...I mean, Neuville has done something good in his life to receive such gifts today.. :D

[mknight]

Kalle looks exactly like Solberg in Japan in 2005.

Nothing to do.

[JRodrigues]

Imagine Latvala now passing by Kalle on stage!

[CeskyOndra]

His curse continue

[CeskyOndra]

Imagine Latvala now passing by Kalle on stage!

Latvala seeing Evans in first corner and Kalle in last corner

[denkimi]

Un-fckng-believebale!!!
Not really. having a 45 second lead and still pushing as hard as he can to win stages just shows why he is 31 points down on ogier with the same amount of rally's done.

6 rally's. 3 wins, 3 crashes.

[Rallyper]

Well, reporters gone from Moksi before leader i coming is just crazy from RallyTV

[CeskyOndra]

Not really. having a 45 second lead and still pushing as hard as he can to win stages just shows why he is 31 points down on ogier with the same amount of rally's done.

6 rally's. 3 wins, 3 crashes.

Thats not good statistics

[Dontcut]

Ogier is the 24 champ.

[denkimi]

Thats not good statistics

ogier has 3 wins and 3 third places. Now that is a good driver and smart man.

[CeskyOndra]

Ogier is the 24 champ.

Neuville looses only a point to him by Kalle's off

[erikli2]

Does Pajari score manufacturer points for Toyota this round?

[denkimi]

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x93hbh4

not much he could do.

[doubled1978]

Amazing. You can put this one in the unlucky category, but still…..wow.
Tanak had the same thing earlier in year didn’t he? Rock under the sump sent him off into a bank…

[rallyfiend]

Well, reporters gone from Moksi before leader i coming is just crazy from RallyTV

I guess they went down the stage to get to Kalle.

An understandable move.

[CeskyOndra]

The rock was pulled out by Ogier probably :D

[denkimi]

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x93hao0

evans just way too fast.

[mknight]

In perfect hindsight he could have set a bit higher rideheight. Already a min or so before he plowed a massive rock with the front that flew 50+ meters in front of him.
And Ogier said just before at stage end that it was getting rutted and he took it easier.

[mknight]

The rock was pulled out by Ogier probably :D
On Ogiers onboard there were two rocks. One in line on the inside and one slightly right.
Looks like Ogier removed the one on the right and dug out the one on the left to the middle of the road.

[EstWRC]

Amazing. You can put this one in the unlucky category, but still…..wow.
Tanak had the same thing earlier in year didn’t he? Rock under the sump sent him off into a bank…

Yeah Tänak had the same in Kenya

[archie106]

Is this the biggest number of crashes in one rally in the Rally1 era? I can't recall so many drivers going off on one rally for a long time.

[jonkka]

Does Pajari score manufacturer points for Toyota this round?

No, he is not nominated.

[Morte66]

Does Pajari score manufacturer points for Toyota this round?

No, he's not entered for manufacturer points. You get to nominate 3, they picked Rovanpera, Ogier, Evans.

[CeskyOndra]

In the end, Hyundai could have more points than Toyota here if they will have good PS..

[CeskyOndra]

Is this the biggest number of crashes in one rally in the Rally1 era? I can't recall so many drivers going off on one rally for a long time.

Katsuta, Tanak, Lappi, Evans, Rovanpera, Munster all of them crashed + Pajari almost

[CeskyOndra]

Katsuta, Tanak, Lappi, Evans, Rovanpera, Munster all of them crashed + Pajari almost

This just confirms Ogier's and Neuville's experiences and Adrien's TOP form this year and champ's mentality.

[mknight]

In the end, Hyundai could have more points than Toyota here if they will have good PS..

They get 12 more even without PS. Disaster for Toyota.

[Morte66]

Katsuta, Tanak, Lappi, Evans, Rovanpera, Munster all of them crashed + Pajari almost

If Pajari gets to the end, he can call himself "a survivor".

[mknight]

This just confirms Ogier's and Neuville's experiences and Adrien's TOP form this year and champ's mentality.

When almost everyone is faster than you but crash you are on top form?

[macebig]

To finish first, first you need to finish...

[eib1]

https://www.ewrc-results.com/quickp/85534_guifdivwsaakjpw.jpg

[CeskyOndra]

When almost everyone is faster than you but crash you are on top form?

Yes. He was able to keep it on the road and brings another podium home. If someone hasn't got a pace he bin it so often, Fourmaux don't. That's a good form.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yes and most of the others have much more experience and more pre-event testing than Fourmaux.

[mknight]

Yes. He was able to keep it on the road and brings another podium home. If someone hasn't got a pace he bin it so often, Fourmaux don't. That's a good form.

If "TOP" form means you need to hope for others to crash to even get a podium or that Sesks in his first rally with hybrid beats you easily it is unlikely you ever win much.

He is doing ok, but would never call it "top".

Also had quite some lucky moments like first stage today or the massive jump off road in Latvia.

[CeskyOndra]

If "TOP" form means you need to hope for others to crash to even get a podium or that Sesks in his first rally with hybrid beats you easily it is unlikely you ever win much.

He is doing ok, but would never call it "top".

Also had quite some lucky moments like first stage today or the massive jump off road in Latvia.

Fourmaux is really unexperienced compared to other guys who binned it.. He isn´t OK, he is great

[wwbroe]

What happens with points of saturday with crash of Kalle, himself not taking points. But what with points for Ogier and Neuville?

[WRCStan]

Top personal form compared to a couple of years ago. Doesn't matter what others do.

[WRCStan]

What happens with points of saturday with crash of Kalle, himself not taking points. But what with points for Ogier and Neuville?

They all move up a place and bag the points.

[wwbroe]

Apparently Ogier wil score 18 points from saturdag and Neuville 15, because Kalle DNF

[Eli]

So Ogier first and Neuville Second again, just like 2013, only missing Østberg to complete that same exact podium ;)

[CeskyOndra]

What happens with points of saturday with crash of Kalle, himself not taking points. But what with points for Ogier and Neuville?

Ogier gets 18 and Neuville 15. Ogier benefits against Neuville by 1 point in the end, but again, it is unlucky for Evans and Tanak for sure

[Morte66]

https://rally-base.com/2024/secto-rally-finland-2024/?ssGroupId=6

The top four look pretty tight for Sunday points.

[Dontcut]

Ogier gets 18 and Neuville 15. Ogier benefits against Neuville by 1 point in the end, but again, it is unlucky for Evans and Tanak for sure

You sure? Some say that in this scenario that 18p is frozen and no-one gets it.

[Tauri_J]

Oh man, wonder when Kalle stops crashing at Finland

[Morte66]

It seemed to me that Rovanpera hit a rock, which lifted his front wheels off the ground; and with no steering, he continued into the trees. Does it seem that way to other people?

[CeskyOndra]

You sure? Some say that in this scenario that 18p is frozen and no-one gets it.

I think that im quite sure, let's see

[Eli]

Whatever happens in the small power stage, just want to say, a huge well done to Pajari, yes he’s in the Toyota, yes it’s his home event, but I can only imagine the amount of pressure was huge both for Enni & him was huge; okay he made that mistake on Friday but ever since, he’s quietly gone about his business and kept his cool & head down, glad to see we have another driver to lookout for his future.

[CeskyOndra]

I think that im quite sure, let's see

They confirmed it on all live now

[Dontcut]

They confirmed it on all live now
OK, then one estonian media outlet is wrong.

[Morte66]

Rain. Perfect.

[TypeR]

Regs:


To score points, the crew must be classified in the Final Clas￾sification of the rally. If a crew is not classified in the Final
Classification of the rally, the next Competitor(s) will be moved
up to score points.

[flat_right]

They confirmed it on all live now

In wrc.com provisional standings it is 15 for Ogier. And I also remember points are frozen.

[flat_right]

Regs:

Ok, then wrc.com is also wrong

[Mirek]

The downhill powerstage was far more spectacular :(

[Rallyper]

The downhill powerstage was far more spectacular :(

Yeah, but too far from Jyväskylä (wrong way...). Also Ruuhimäki is a bit far, but is to me the best ever Power stage.

[macebig]

Think Kalle can still technically get the points from Saturday. They just have to finish the rally regardless of position. Since the crew isn't OTL yet, it can theoretically complete the rally. Once they go OTL and are officially retired,the points get redistributed.

[mknight]

Just noticed Solberg has a big chance of winning WRC2 without driving a single tarmac round.

[TypeR]

Think Kalle can still technically get the points from Saturday. They just have to finish the rally regardless of position. Since the crew isn't OTL yet, it can theoretically complete the rally. Once they go OTL and are officially retired,the points get redistributed.
What points :D car is wrecked and Kalle/Jonne already in helicopter and probably at home by now..

[wwbroe]

Very good time or Lappi

[wwbroe]

But Taka even faster by 1,1, good drive by him

[Morte66]

Pajari loses some more aero to balance out Friday.

[CeskyOndra]

I think Taka got this PS tbh

[Humber]

Is there any website that runs/ displays the Sunday cumulative times/ positions for WRC?

[erikli2]

Is there any website that runs/ displays the Sunday cumulative times/ positions for WRC?
Press "Leg 3" on EWRC:

https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/85534-secto-rally-finland-2024/?leg=3

[Medved]

Sunday - https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/85534-secto-rally-finland-2024/?leg=3&s=454543

[Humber]

Leg 3 - Lappi and Katsuta tied for same leg3 time. Is there a tie decider?

[Rallyper]

To get to the finish, you have to "keep it between the trees". Very accurate comment from RallyTV.

[wwbroe]

Good run for Neuville, second fastest

[Rallyper]

Leg 3 - Lappi and Katsuta tied for same leg3 time. Is there a tie decider?

Should be Lappi then. Fastest on first stage today.

[deephouse]

Is it me or Ogier had open door on the start right now?

[wwbroe]

Alltough he was level with Taka halfway trough the stage, Ogiers sets only fifth time on PS

[CeskyOndra]

Thats a lot of points lost for Ogier here

[TypeR]

Weird (no)reactions from Toyota team people..

[deephouse]

Weird (no)reactions from Toyota team people..

Of course they lost on the big scale, Neuville lead by almost one full rally points and in many Hyundai lead by 20. That's disaster for them

[PLuto]

Is there any website that runs/ displays the Sunday cumulative times/ positions for WRC?

https://rally-base.com/2024/secto-rally-finland-2024/?ssGroupId=6

[Rallyper]

This years finish is completely opposite to last years on Himos. For Toyota it is.

[CeskyOndra]

Toyota TOP 3 after Friday but in the end it is 19 points lost to Hyundai. Disasterous weekend. Ogi lost like 7 points on PS..

[macebig]

They can't be expected to be happy to just scrap a win after a rally where they held all podium spots and then a 1-2 until the penultimate stage. Plus, the massive swing in manufacturer title...

[Eli]

Knew I wouldn’t put Ogier for the win here and he’d take it….regarding him losing those points in the power stage, assuming he continues to Acropolis he’ll still benefit from his road position, assuming it doesn’t rain like here. All this giving me 2018 vibes, with the same top 3 (only Ogier hunting this time round).

[CeskyOndra]

Neuville has to take it.. 27 points advantage is a lot.

[Humber]

Neuville 168? points Ogier 141? points Tanak 137 Evans 132

Does Ogier go to Acropolis to pull rocks out for Tanak on the first day?

[CeskyOndra]

Knew I wouldn’t put Ogier for the win here and he’d take it….regarding him losing those points in the power stage, assuming he continues to Acropolis he’ll still benefit from his road position, assuming it doesn’t rain like here. All this giving me 2018 vibes, with the same top 3 (only Ogier hunting this time round).

Yeah, my pickems were great until Saturday, then its a disaster again

[CeskyOndra]

Neuville 168? points Ogier 141? points Tanak 137 Evans 132

Does Ogier go to Acropolis to pull rocks out for Tanak on the first day?

No, he goes there for the title.. :D

[cosmin_sb]

Neuville 46; Tanak 33; Evans 28; Ogier 49
this is the ranking after the 3 fast races on gravel where it is speculated that Neuville will lose in advance due to the starting place. I think he is the big favorite for the title, only Ogier would still have a chance

[Eli]

Neuville 46; Tanak 33; Evans 28; Ogier 49
this is the ranking after the 3 fast races on gravel where it is speculated that Neuville will lose in advance due to the starting place. I think he is the big favorite for the title, only Ogier would still have a chance

If only we had Deutschland and Wales to spice things up…the events Neuville never managed to win….and maybe have Turkey after Acropolis…but that’s just day dreaming at this point…

[Backa]

That was crazy rally. Heartbreaking to Ott, Elfyn and Kalle but Ogier joining fight for title against eternal runner-up Neuville makes me very excited. I am cheering for Thierry, it's now or never.

[becher]

Crazy how the two tarmac/slow gravel drivers outscored the two fast gravel drivers by this amount.

Similarly Fourmaux scored three of his four podiums on fast events, yet he is seen as a tarmac driver.

[mknight]

Neuville 46; Tanak 33; Evans 28; Ogier 49
this is the ranking after the 3 fast races on gravel where it is speculated that Neuville will lose in advance due to the starting place. I think he is the big favorite for the title, only Ogier would still have a chance

Also fast rallies used to be bad for Ogier in all of Fiesta, C3 and Yaris WRC.

[macebig]

Without the road accident in Poland, Ogier would be the favourite for the title. He could still be, depending on how Greece and Chile goes. Right now, Neuville appears to be the strongest.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Fourmaux himself explained why it's a great effort and result by him here...

"I'm really pleased it ended up like that after a difficult start for us with no test and no preparation. The fourth podium is always good, especially in Finland."

[focus206]

Very positive result for Neuville. Now, the only thing he needs is an Ogier DNF, but good luck with that :D
Apart from that, championship is very open still. One technical trouble or a mistake and someone's going to be level with Thierry, or almost. Rough Acropolis is yet to come, slippery and wet asphalt is yet to come.

[skarderud]

The only thing that can deny Neuville WDC is his own head, and the car.

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[WRCStan]

Think Kalle can still technically get the points from Saturday. They just have to finish the rally regardless of position. Since the crew isn't OTL yet, it can theoretically complete the rally. Once they go OTL and are officially retired,the points get redistributed.

That is a positive attitude!

But even if they were mobile, if they had a smashed windscreen or broken wheels/tyres, or they had informed HQ of their own retirement then it wouldn't have happened.

[denkimi]

So after opening the rally 5 times in a row, neuville increased his lead over evans from 6 points to 34. His lead over tank decreased from 33 to 29.
But his lead over ogier decreased from 41 points after croatia to 28 after finland.

But now ogier will be second on the road in greece, so let's see how fast he will be without position advantage.

[WRCStan]

Odd words from Seb at the end "I have to see if we do a full campaign but it looks like I have no other option. It is not my priority anymore but we'll see."

Is he contractually obliged to do more events if Toyota require it?

[Morte66]

Well, that was a dramatic rally. Thank you, mighty rain gods.

It was a terrible rally for an Evans fan like me. I thought he was generally driving well, as I hoped since he's good at Finland and rain. But there was the technical issue, and then on Sunday he had no Saturday to lose and things were a bit desperate in the championship and he went too fast and binned it.

Tanak, maybe even worse, he just went off early.

Fourmaux did a proper professional drive, he continues to look like a driver worth (re)hiring.

Rovanpera looked like the boss until there was a rock in the road. Ogier and Neuville both looked very good in their circumstances.

Lappi... oi. He's quick, but not quite reliable enough. For years, I thought he looked like he could be good with another 25 rallies to build experience/consistency. But now I feel like he's had all the chances he deserves. He's on borrowed time now.

Solberg has been looking like a consistent pro, who would be worth a try in WRC1 if somebody needed a third driver who might move up later.

Pajari managed to crash without crashing, twice. Supposedly Napolean said of a promising general "All this may be so, but is he lucky?" So far, so good. Also won a stage (with cleaning and road position) on Friday afternoon, so there is pace.

[Mirek]

If only we had Deutschland and Wales to spice things up…the events Neuville never managed to win….and maybe have Turkey after Acropolis…but that’s just day dreaming at this point…

I think that from what we saw last year everything is possible in CER and Japan if the weather is similar like last year.

[Sergiow]

Thierry Neuville is a tough rally driver! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuosSuKhSb0)
And king of the PowerStages with 5 PS wins this year

[COD]

Odd words from Seb at the end "I have to see if we do a full campaign but it looks like I have no other option. It is not my priority anymore but we'll see."

Is he contractually obliged to do more events if Toyota require it?

Probably Toyota will push him to do it as long as he has a realistic chance to the title

[deephouse]

Maybe Hyundai should really consider snatching Adrien for a third driver. They absolutely need a consistent driver and right now, he is among the best one for that role. M-Sport should be okay with Sesks knocking on the door.

[Backa]

Ogier winning 9th title while complaining like accountant doing overtime would be funny.

[Backa]

Maybe Hyundai should really consider snatching Adrien for a third driver. They absolutely need a consistent driver and right now, he is among the best one for that role. M-Sport should be okay with Sesks knocking on the door.

Neuville/Tanak/Fourmaux would be strong team. Evans could be available for M-Sport, I would not be surprised if Toyota would replace him with Pajari for next year.

[deephouse]

Probably Toyota will push him to do it as long as he has a realistic chance to the title

He is playing mind games, we all know, the whole world of rallying knows that. The team doesn't need to ask him to do that, because obviously he has a chance and he will go for it. He just said like that, that it seems like he wants to mess with some heads. Neuville clearly doesn't expect to be that easy.

[Sergiow]

Without the road accident in Poland, Ogier would be the favourite for the title. He could still be, depending on how Greece and Chile goes. Right now, Neuville appears to be the strongest.

The WRC championship is a dying discipline because no new manufactures are attracted to it compared with such flourishing championships like WEC and F1. A true shame because they are litterally driving to survive and a shoe-in for Netflix/Amazon.

If a part-time driver like Ogier is still a favorite to win WRC 2024 then something is verry wrong about this wonderful action sport.

[macebig]

Nah, I feel Toyota are about to waive Rovanpera off till Japan and push Ogier to do the whole championship,which he isn't very happy with regardless of his title chances.

[mknight]

Maybe Hyundai should really consider snatching Adrien for a third driver. They absolutely need a consistent driver and right now, he is among the best one for that role. M-Sport should be okay with Sesks knocking on the door.

One question is whether he would be consistent in a Hyundai. The other is how fast he really is, Sesks was the only point of reference this year and was better.

[WRCStan]

The WRC championship is a dying discipline because no new manufactures are attracted to it compared with such flourishing championships like WEC and F1. A true shame because they are litterally driving to survive and a shoe-in for Netflix/Amazon.

If a part-time driver like Ogier is still a favorite to win WRC 2024 then something is verry wrong about this wonderful action sport.

Or, he's one of the best the sport has ever seen.

[mknight]

If a part-time driver like Ogier is still a favorite to win WRC 2024 then something is verry wrong about this wonderful action sport.

More like in WRC drivers are more likely to crash or suffer from road changes due to cleaning or rain. If you add 5 extra drivers, things like road cleaning or "stealing" points would be even worse.

Also remember that Loeb won championship as a "part timers" due to injury as well.

[deephouse]

The WRC championship is a dying discipline because no new manufactures are attracted to it compared with such flourishing championships like WEC and F1. A true shame because they are litterally driving to survive and a shoe-in for Netflix/Amazon.

If a part-time driver like Ogier is still a favorite to win WRC 2024 then something is verry wrong about this wonderful action sport.

I wouldn't write off some Stellantis involvement in some form in 2027. They are looking closely at what the regs will be. Maybe a clue is the latest Lancia Rally4 project and commitment this year for that old C3 in WRC2. Ford will commit fully too if they hit that spot,... we should cross our fingers for Skoda, they have been in the WRC2 for a long time and it's time they try the top spot. Even Hyundai (if they are not lying) will stay if someone new enters.

The department of promotion is working really hard, and maybe in the next two years, the investment and return will be worth it. So if the regs will be right, some new names might come by.

[WRCStan]

He is playing mind games, we all know, the whole world of rallying knows that. The team doesn't need to ask him to do that, because obviously he has a chance and he will go for it. He just said like that, that it seems like he wants to mess with some heads. Neuville clearly doesn't expect to be that easy.

How is he playing with anybody's head when he turns up to every round? Come off it!

He really doesn't care for the titles. He's got 8, a 9th is just stats.

Matters to Toyota however.

[deephouse]

How is he playing with anybody's head when he turns up to every round? Come off it!

He really doesn't care for the titles. He's got 8, a 9th is just stats.

Matters to Toyota however.

Looks like he got to you.

[WRCStan]

I wouldn't write off some Stellantis involvement in some form in 2027.

I would.

They're broke, beholden to Chinese power and policy, their brands are terrible and their products are poor. WRC offers them nothing and FIA will have no option but to pivot away from being a manufacturer based series anyway.

[TypeR]

How is he playing with anybody's head when he turns up to every round? Come off it!

He really doesn't care for the titles. He's got 8, a 9th is just stats.

Matters to Toyota however.
It would not be JUST 9th. It would be equal 9th with Loeb.

[WRCStan]

Looks like he got to you.

Sure, sure, sure sure.

He sure did.

Damn.

Lol. Oops.

[focus206]

How is he playing with anybody's head when he turns up to every round? Come off it!

Ogier turns up to every round + Ogier says "oh, I don't know, maybe I'll do every round, maybe not" = Ogier plays mind games. Or he thinks it's cool to sound mysterious. Toyota does not decide for a driver like Ogier, at best they can ask, it's Ogier who decides.



He really doesn't care for the titles. He's got 8, a 9th is just stats.


I don't believe that for a second. Ogier even already said that if the circumstances are right, he'll go for the title.

[WRCStan]

It would not be JUST 9th. It would be equal 9th with Loeb.

He semi-retired already else would be on for an 11th this year. It's just numbers on a page, only stats mad rally fans and journos care for that, Seb cares only for making buck and playing Lego with little Timmy.

[rallyfiend]

I think it's time everyone stopped calling Ogier a 'part-time' driver.

It's quite clear and obvious he's going for the title and doing every event.

He just doesn't want to admit it because it can make him look a bit silly for him saying he was part-time and criticism of the points system, that he's now part of....

[turdzi]

Absolutely shocking. There is no doubt, Toyota got beaten at its own ground due to luck of sporting management.
How come Evans, their lead driver is being left alone and has to fight with his teammates to salvage his weekend wich was probably a contributing factor to his crash. How come Kalle was allowed to be so fast today taking points from their leading driver. The result is that Hyundai is leaving Finland with 20 points lead and now probably Ogier has to step in to salvage their drivers campaign.
That's how you end up when you are lucking a clear leadership.