[WRC] Safari Rally Kenya 2024

[jonkka]

WRC.com just can’t get things right

Truly - there is separate Super Sunday tab on live timing and the column title is Total Time Sun - yet that column only shows time for the given stage, not total so far for Sunday. Got me fooled for a while.

[J4MIE]

Have you seen the size of it? You’d have to pull it out with force, for it to stick out like that, it’s not Argentina.

Almost like previous car helped drag it out when cutting the bend. Gravity can help them roll too.

[Eli]

Almost like previous car helped drag it out when cutting the bend. Gravity can help them roll too.

But if previous car helped drag it, I’m assuming it would’ve taken damage whilst doing so.

[CeskyOndra]

I have just seen the replay of Tanak's spin. Rock was more inside of the corner and Tanak started to slide and hit it with the side of the car, moved the rock far to the road, where Neuville hit it..

[KKS]

No not quite:

3.3.1
For the World Rally Championships for Manufacturers, for Drivers and for Co-Drivers, points will be awarded for each rally taking into account the general classification after Saturday (with all time penalties accrued until and including the final time control on Saturday)
Looks logic but make two sepparate standings with penalty at SS of TC and SS+1

[EstWRC]

I have just seen the replay of Tanak's spin. Rock was more inside of the corner and Tanak started to slide and hit it with the side of the car, moved the rock far to the road, where Neuville hit it..

Where was it shown?

Would like to see it also

[J4MIE]

I have just seen the replay of Tanak's spin. Rock was more inside of the corner and Tanak started to slide and hit it with the side of the car, moved the rock far to the road, where Neuville hit it..

I rest my case.

[J4MIE]

Looks logic but make two sepparate standings with penalty at SS of TC and SS+1

I’m not sure why it’s complicated.

Thursday-Saturday times include all penalties there.
Sunday times include Sunday penalties.
Also there is full overall which includes everything.

[Eli]

I rest my case.

Okay.

[EstWRC]

Most likely Tanak and Lappi have to service their cars themselves again :D
Neuville broke the car and shorg time to repair..

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240331/0309976d9469b37a5841a93945a6a40e.jpg

[Morte66]

I'm pretty sure they have rocks in South America, Kris Meeke was counting them at the Mexico rally.

Kenya, of course, is a cradle of evolution. The rocks have evolved the ability to teleport into the road.

[Morte66]

Somebody gave me this link on the last rally, the right hand column is pretty good for overall Sunday times.

https://rally-base.com/2024/safari-rally-kenya-2024/?ssGroupId=6

[Managarium]

https://i.postimg.cc/QMGFRyvz/Snimka-zaslona-2024-03-31-100727.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Well I didn't know that they are carring spear wiper blades.

[CeskyOndra]

Where was it shown?

Would like to see it also

It was right after the stage while they were showig highlights from the stage and ending live

[CeskyOndra]

I know that this stage is hard for the cars but 9sec down? This isn't champions pace..

[EstWRC]

Tänak has the Sunday basically in bag now. Can now take the next stage more easily and push on PS stage

[meh]

I know that this stage is hard for the cars but 9sec down? This isn't champions pace..

It can be just a difference in willingness to take a risk.

[Dontcut]

It can be just a difference in willingness to take a risk.
Willingness to be a World Champ

[meh]

Willingness to be a World Champ

Yeah, we can be philosophical here and say that Neuville is not a champ (so far) because he takes too many risks and Evans is not a champ (so far) because he does not take enough risks.

[TypeR]

Kalle doing funday driving..

[Morte66]

Yeah, we can be philosophical here and say that Neuville is not a champ (so far) because he takes too many risks and Evans is not a champ (so far) because he does not take enough risks.

:)

I think Evans-in-a-Toyota is the same speed as Neuville-in-a-Hyundai when driving at the same risk level, but everybody thinks of Neuville as faster because he almost always pushes harder. So Neuville goes slightly faster on a successful stage, but he is more likely to get a spin or puncture or whatever. And we don't know who played it right until the end of the season.

[CeskyOndra]

Can you imagine how boring this day would be without Super-Sunday? 5 stages of total cruising..

[Rallyper]

Can you imagine how boring this day would be without Super-Sunday? 5 stages of total cruising..

Yeah. Was just thinking the same.

Having said that I wasn´t fully sure this was smth good, when presented. And when Rally Sweden points scoring were appearing...

[jonkka]

It's great that at least some of you are excited. It means that FIA's plans are working, at least partially.

[AndyRAC]

Can you imagine how boring this day would be without Super-Sunday? 5 stages of total cruising..

And what about it? It's the Safari......it's part of the event. Too many of you on here have no idea about the sport......It can't be flat out all the time. Maybe rallying isn't the sport for you.....

[EstWRC]

Can you imagine how boring this day would be without Super-Sunday? 5 stages of total cruising..

Exactly

I absolutely love this super Sunday

[TypeR]

Evans +17.9 at the end..
Too bad no interviews..

[CeskyOndra]

And what about it? It's the Safari......it's part of the event. Too many of you on here have no idea about the sport......It can't be flat out all the time. Maybe rallying isn't the sport for you.....

What? It is still about managing overall time, just more exciting.

[Morte66]

Evans +17.9 at the end..
Too bad no interviews..

Eesh. Something's wrong there.

[SubaruNorway]

Filled the air filter i guess, could barely get to 150kph

[J4MIE]

So Julian left Malewa before even Greensmith, so that he can reach……. what, the finish? Rubbish having no info EVs of Oserian.

Evans seemed down on power on final straight - maybe puncture? Or something mechanical?

[CeskyOndra]

If I remember it right, on this stage there was a lost of power for Toyotas also.

[Rallyper]

So all men of law and order here on the forum:

Are WRC2 class competing on Sunday points o/a, or in their own class?

[Morte66]

I think WRC2 are on the same system as last year.

[TypeR]

I think WRC2 are on the same system as last year.
no PS 3-2-1 points for WRC2 this year

[RS]

I'm sure this has been answered already but i've not been following this weekend; why do the Skodas have flashing 'inner headlights' on this rally?

[skarderud]

Rally Kenya is good enough, little boring with long straights, but the main problem is lack of competition, no point to try to look at other "problems".

If the main class is Rally1, Rally2's or Rally2+, if its Hyundai or Toyota, or its RedBull wrt, toksport wrt, printsport wrt or whatever, i don't care. We want 20 cars in the main field, with atleast 10 possible fighting for top3. Then we don't need fake points to make it exiting.

Sent fra min SM-S901B via Tapatalk

[denkimi]

Rally Kenya is good enough, little boring with long straights, but the main problem is lack of competition, no point to try to look at other "problems".

If the main class is Rally1, Rally2's or Rally2+, if its Hyundai or Toyota, or its RedBull wrt, toksport wrt, printsport wrt or whatever, i don't care. We want 20 cars in the main field, with atleast 10 possible fighting for top3. Then we don't need fake points to make it exiting.

You can have 20 or even 50 cars, but there will almost never be 10 that fight for the podium. There just aren't that many drivers on that level.

[skarderud]

You can have 20 or even 50 cars, but there will almost never be 10 that fight for the podium. There just aren't that many drivers on that level.Of course it could, the best drivers will always think of the points, have techical issues, hit rocks whatever.
If its 10 2 car teams, it will always be some "specialist" fighting for podiums, some local heroes.

Its quite arrogant to think that noone can beat the top 3-4 drivers in any rally thru a season.
Everyone loves the underdog-story, and a much needed history for the WRC promoter.

Sent fra min SM-S901B via Tapatalk

[J4MIE]

20 fighting for top 3 leaves a lot of crews & teams disappointed. Teams (manufacturers) don’t like losing and hastens their exits from the sport.

[skarderud]

20 fighting for top 3 leaves a lot of crews & teams disappointed. Teams (manufacturers) don’t like losing and hastens their exits from the sport.Really weird that in the 80's and 90's it was lots of importers and private teams trying then. They didn't quit because they didn't win.

In F1 its half of the teams that maximum can get points, why they don't quit?

The FIA and the manufacturers ruined the sport. Sorry to say.

Sent fra min SM-S901B via Tapatalk

[EstWRC]

13h15 : Ciamin
13h19 : Kajetanowicz
13h23 : Solberg
13h27 : Greensmith
13h31 : Munster
13h35 : Lappi
13h39 : Serderidis
13h43 : Tänak
13h47 : Neuville
13h51 : Evans
13h55 : Fourmaux
13h59 : Katsuta
14h03 : Rovanperä

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I'm sure this has been answered already but i've not been following this weekend; why do the Skodas have flashing 'inner headlights' on this rally?

Supposed to be to scare off animals. Dont know why only Skoda cars are doing this.

[jonkka]

Supposed to be to scare off animals. Dont know why only Skoda cars are doing this.

Because it's not effective. Animals who get in the way are those that run from the bushes and don't see the car before it's too late. Animals on the open aren't danger anyway unless they are spooked from opposite direction.

[EstWRC]

Neuville is the king of this stage. He has won it two times already

[deephouse]

He will probably lead the championship after that, so actualy take the most out of it

[Morte66]

Well, not quite what I hoped for for Evans, but not too bad. See you in the Croatia thread, folks...

[TypeR]

Wasn't far that 5th place finisher took more points than rally winner..

[CeskyOndra]

How could Neuville end up with 19 points (2nd after Kalle) from this disasterous rally? :D

[focus206]

Finally a decent day from Hyundai, I'm surprised. No cars on the podium again, but Neuville outscored Evans and Tanak got the Sunday win. Evans should have done a little better overall in my opinion, but he can always count on Toyota's reliability (although, why the slow pace at the end?) and on the fact that Neuville and Tanak won't always be able to salvage good points from Hyundai's troubles.
Easy for Kalle, I expected him to be dominant on Sunday too, guess he just felt like cruising.

[Gonek]

Really strange with Hyundays. Today Again only Lappi with transmission problems… for me they do something wrong only on his car. Last year was only Lappi with propshaft failures and this year only Lappi with transmission problems.

[J4MIE]

How could Neuville end up with 19 points (2nd after Kalle) from this disasterous rally? :D

Because there’s not many fellow competitors to gain from his time loss.

[deephouse]

Evans was beaten by Neuville a few times already before by incredible small margins, so no surprise at all. Hyundai are the winners here by point perspective, even in manufacturers championship, they are not so much behind.

I think Lappi's car after transmission failure was here just for testing/trying some things.. But look from another perspective. Neuville's car almost have no technical faults, Tanak have constantly something. Kalle doesn't even know what is techical issue, while Evans and Katsuta do have some. Tanak did difficulties also last year in Ford, while Adrien until now have none. So that means it's most depending on driver and their performance/driving, their attacking and so on. Some drivers can break the car more than others. Few years back Ogier never had any issues at all, while all others have always something. Some drivers can destroy their tires more often than others. It's like that. So think that Lappi isn't there yet of managing the car. I think only Kalle and Seb are the only ones. Maybe Neuville came closer on that this year. But it's too early to tell that. There are so many factors around that, it quite difficult to put a dot where his problems came from.

And the last one. Neuville did take advantage of new point system just like Evans did in Sweden.

[becher]

Really strange with Hyundays. Today Again only Lappi with transmission problems… for me they do something wrong only on his car. Last year was only Lappi with propshaft failures and this year only Lappi with transmission problems.

Depending on his throttle/brake application he could easily be more demanding on the whole transmission system than others due to the driving style.

[J4MIE]

Minesh gets to the finish and is 20th overall. Also wins the National class of the WRC event, and is 2nd in the KNRC event.

Great effort for a small local Kenyan team with outdated machinery and doing it on a budget. They had 6 tyres left from previous years, and 6 new ones. Will need to buy new Hankooks next year no doubt…..
:)

[denkimi]

If it wasn't for tanak Neuville would have had the same amount of points here as rovanpera, despite being 10 minutes down in 5th place.

Although it does make the results closer by making it possible to limit the damage after a DNF, I still feel it is not the system we should have.

[mknight]

Even worse in manu champ. Toyota got 44 and Hyundai, in a rally where Hyundai essentially collapsed.

[240RS]

Interesting to note that the leading trio, Neuville , Evans and Fourmaux, have all recorded a total of 36 points on Saturday each.

Clearly, something doesn't feel right

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Well said Adrien Fourmaux.

"I'm so so pleased. But I have to congratulate the team, there were no issues with the car all weekend. This is for them, they deserve it."

People are very quick to criticise (M-Sport) so how about some praise where it's due.

[steve.mandzij]

Well said Adrien Fourmaux.

"I'm so so pleased. But I have to congratulate the team, there were no issues with the car all weekend. This is for them, they deserve it."

People are very quick to criticise (M-Sport) so how about some praise where it's due.Praise is due for the first time in over a year... Nobody was quick to criticize, the Puma was just quick to fail.

[skarderud]

Quite impressed by Fourmaux, last 2 rallies he has matured and have a good approuch! Taka also surprisingly good!

Sent fra min SM-S901B via Tapatalk

[Backa]

And what about it? It's the Safari......it's part of the event. Too many of you on here have no idea about the sport......It can't be flat out all the time. Maybe rallying isn't the sport for you.....

It doesn't need to be flat out all the time but reducing cruising is not exactly bad thing.

Anyway, drivers know how new system works, if they want better point score, they need to push during sunday too. It's part of the event now and if you don't like it, maybe WRC is not for you anymore ;)

[doubled1978]

Quite impressed by Fourmaux, last 2 rallies he has matured and have a good approuch! Taka also surprisingly good!

Sent fra min SM-S901B via Tapatalk

I think MSport and Fourmaux have between them had a good plan and good execution for the first 3 rallies. It was really important he made a good start and no mistakes for the confidence. I don’t suppose they could have wished for better really, and the car has been reliable which was a problem previously.

[WRCStan]

Anyway, drivers know how new system works, if they want better point score, they need to push during sunday too. It's part of the event now and if you don't like it, maybe WRC is not for you anymore ;)

Exactly. When the rest of the world moves on leaving you behind you might do well to ask yourself if it is the rest of the world that's being delusional or is it you.

Some people just need to move to HERO and not be so rude to others who enjoy something.

[TypeR]

All in all.. Hyundai had a really bad/unfortunate etc weekend, BUT they were very lucky with Toyota's shsit pace/performance/decisions on Sunday. .
At first, Kalle drove on roadmode to give all the points to Evans.. who forgot to drive at all.. And Katsuta didn't do anythibg either..

Toyota moved ahead of Hyundai in manus.. but ohboy how much they lost with Kalle's bs driving.. they could have extra +-10p to the table easily.. but it's Toyota :)

[ik1911]

It doesn't need to be flat out all the time but reducing cruising is not exactly bad thing.

Anyway, drivers know how new system works, if they want better point score, they need to push during sunday too. It's part of the event now and if you don't like it, maybe WRC is not for you anymore ;)


Cannot ask driver who lead after 2 Leg to push during sunday equally other driver(s) 10,20,30 min behind rally leader ( they have nothing to lose)

[CeskyOndra]

Cannot ask driver who lead after 2 Leg to push during sunday equally other driver(s) 10,20,30 min behind rally leader ( they have nothing to lose)

If u want to win championship you have to be also fast nowadays. Just accept it guys

[WRCStan]

Cannot ask driver who lead after 2 Leg to push during sunday equally other driver(s) 10,20,30 min behind rally leader ( they have nothing to lose)

You can if 2nd place is within strike.

[focus206]

Anyway, drivers know how new system works, if they want better point score, they need to push during sunday too. It's part of the event now and if you don't like it, maybe WRC is not for you anymore ;)

A bit like saying "if in your country there's a regime you disagree with, you're not supposed to criticize it and fight to change it. You're supposed to silently accept it or move elsewhere"

[Backa]

A bit like saying "if in your country there's a regime you disagree with, you're not supposed to criticize it and fight to change it. You're supposed to silently accept it or move elsewhere"

Sure, I was just mocking "rallying is not for you" argument that was used by AndyRAC.

While I like changes reduced cruising on sundays, I dislike issue with points for rally winner and hope WRC regime improve that system next season.

[saco0o]

is it possible for us to guess if we would have had that amount of destroyed tires if there were other brands competing? cuz it looked way to much, especially for evans.

[CeskyOndra]

Who else is thinking that new points system is really helping Neuville and Tanak? They are pretty fast and always fights on Sunday, while Elfyn is not that quick as them in direct fights..

[J4MIE]

is it possible for us to guess if we would have had that amount of destroyed tires if there were other brands competing? cuz it looked way to much, especially for evans.

Last year we bought 4x Pirellis, and every single one of these punctured. The rest we got in 2021 (which involved lengthy debate with organisers whether they were legal or not for us to use, turned out I was correct), and all of those were fine.

I don’t think that was a coincidence.

[becher]

Last year we bought 4x Pirellis, and every single one of these punctured. The rest we got in 2021 (which involved lengthy debate with organisers whether they were legal or not for us to use, turned out I was correct), and all of those were fine.

I don’t think that was a coincidence.


As in an older batch of Pirellis was stronger?

[J4MIE]

As in an older batch of Pirellis was stronger?

Yes, the newer ones last year were K4B(/K6B), but the previous ones were K4A/K6A. Just a different version of the tyre but not sure if the exact differences.

https://i.ibb.co/YWjCzmK/IMG-7518.jpg

Minesh bought a load of tyres in 2021 but then had issues very early on, then restarted Sunday and went off. So had lots left for 2022 (they kicked us out the WRC event into the KNRC event as we hadn’t ordered new ones, it was only due to my last minute plea to Timo Rautinen that it got sorted and we were reinstated).
Then last year we retired after SS3, got car repaired and put into parc ferme to restart - were just about to leave but got called in to speak to scrutineers who told us to speak to Pirelli, who eventually agreed they were fine (but it isn’t anything to do with them?), then I had a long long discussion with the FIA depute technical delegate who kept insisting that we couldn’t use the older tyres, eventually he looked up the regulations and must have realised that I was right, but he didn’t want to admit it. Then made me stand in the rain for 2 hours before I got a message from the CRO saying we were ok to restart :rolleyes:

[eib1]

Who else is thinking that new points system is really helping Neuville and Tanak? They are pretty fast and always fights on Sunday, while Elfyn is not that quick as them in direct fights..

not really, when compare Neuville and Tanak with Evans

https://i.ibb.co/q1FbzXc/points-kenya.jpg

[J4MIE]

Who else is thinking that new points system is really helping Neuville and Tanak? They are pretty fast and always fights on Sunday, while Elfyn is not that quick as them in direct fights..

Yet people were saying it was helping Evans too much after Sweden….

[CeskyOndra]

Yet people were saying it was helping Evans too much after Sweden….

I dont think so, Hyundai's boys are the ones who often have reliability issues on Friday or Saturday

[EstWRC]

FULL ONBOARD - SS6 Rovanperä/Halttunen | WRC Safari Rally Kenya 2024 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYnCwvXNABw

FULL ONBOARD - SS13 Tänak/Järveoja | WRC Safari Rally Kenya 2024 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMb8nfggjb4

[Fast Eddie WRC]

According to Dirtfish podcast the 'fancy' Toyota snorkel was knocked up.in 2 days during Elfyn Evans PET.

It was made with parts they had around even though the finished part looked like it had cost €1000s.

A great job by the team and it reduced ingestion of water & dust to almost nil.