[WRC] Safari Rally Kenya 2024

[TypeR]

According to startlist, Lappi is starting tomorrow and followed by Tanak.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

the only thing i see that is big enough is the dark stone on the left, but that means he also hit the "10" sign and cut way too much.
or am i missing something?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJ2-vkNWwAApFyZ?format=jpg&name=medium

Did this rock just appear for Tanak or did the previous drivers avoid it keeping to the right of the marker ?

[becher]

So Safari is harder on the transmission because there is more slip than "usual"? Is that a correct assumption?

[240RS]

If there is anything I appreciated today, it was FX Demaison's honest interview on DirtFish.
His perspectives were enlightening and frankly a tad too honest, I felt.
We now know how limiting the rules are, jokers aside. Also, how critical the initial design phase is if you are to build a successful vehicle.

[doubled1978]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJ2-vkNWwAApFyZ?format=jpg&name=medium

Did this rock just appear for Tanak or did the previous drivers avoid it keeping to the right of the marker ?

It looked to me he was much more to the middle of the road than that. It almost looked like the outside, loaded up front wishbone dug in and it lifted the car and sent him into the bank and finished him off.

[TypeR]

Like he said in that video.. either drive over the rock and see what happens next or avoid the rock and go straight off. He chose 1st one. Also there wasn't any ,,too much'' cutting..

[CeskyOndra]

They should have said it before the rally. I would have made different Pickems

Hahah, I put them both 6-7

[Tauri_J]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJ2-vkNWwAApFyZ?format=jpg&name=medium

Did this rock just appear for Tanak or did the previous drivers avoid it keeping to the right of the marker ?

Tänak kept it to the right of the marker

[mknight]

By now Tanak has a very long history of cars breaking at the front end due to "bad luck". Yaris, Puma, i20, doesn't matter.

Sure sometimes there is some luck involved but his driving style and particularly his "dive in" front-end setup with front bumper scratching the ground also likely plays a role. Last year both Neuville and Lappi even commented on it. (setting the car so soft it always "crashed trough").

Here the launch up was certainly more massive than what would seem normal.

[Gonek]

Third year of these cars and still such problems.. argh.

Sound really ,,promising'' for them.

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/hyundai-drivers-told-to-slow-down-to-save-transmission/
About Lappi's and other Hyundais..


Seems like Tanak's manu points don't matter..

I don’t understand whole this. So, they just strengthend the propshaft and forgot to improve gearbox? And how it can be, that the gearbox suddenly became so weak? Didn’t they recognised the problem before? They use this gearbox already third year.

[denkimi]

I don’t understand whole this. So, they just strengthend the propshaft and forgot to improve gearbox? And how it can be, that the gearbox suddenly became so weak? Didn’t they recognised the problem before? They use this gearbox already third year.
And why would you say this before the rally is over?
Seems like mind games to me.

[focus206]

And why would you say this before the rally is over?
Seems like mind games to me.

As a way to make Evans and Katsuta "relax" and be overtaken by Neuville? I could almost believe it, if I didn't have zero faith in Hyundai's reliability. And the gearbox just exploding sounds something that could happen to a i20 Rally1.
I think Neuville should be happy if he gets to the end without super rally, podium would be amazing.

[becher]

I don’t understand whole this. So, they just strengthend the propshaft and forgot to improve gearbox? And how it can be, that the gearbox suddenly became so weak? Didn’t they recognised the problem before? They use this gearbox already third year.

They explained that they couldn't strengthen the propshaft and gearbox at the same time because of the jokeres. The gearbox didn't become weaker but is now relatively the weakest link because the propshaft is stronger. Think of it like this, if you take a stock car with stock drivetrain and keep adding power the gearbox/half shafts/propshaft/diff will at one point be overwhelmed and break, if you strengthen the weakest link at one point the next weakest component will fail unless every component is changed for a strong enough one.

[J4MIE]

Pacenotes links for Saturday:

Soysambu
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i8AVKQom6hYuwkKIyxYxzpUPP0xMP2jw/view?usp=drivesdk

Elementeita
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DXMRyZxWfjX8z6RhL7CJ8QDL_dF87dgD/view?usp=drivesdk

[TypeR]

Good morning!
Tanak has semi open bonnet.. decided to stop and close it...


Stage end comment
,,we had very busy road section and it didn't close correctly, our mistake''


And all that just out of service for a long loop.. :/

[EstWRC]

I just woke up. It took one minute to close it?

[trykmann]

I just woke up. It took one minute to close it?


Before stopping they drove slower for some time and discussed what to do, the closing itself took about 30 seconds.

[TypeR]

Evans had puncture and changed it, Munster with bent rear wheel..

[Tauri_J]

Neuville will be a champion half way into the championship if it continues this way

[CeskyOndra]

Neuville will be a champion half way into the championship if it continues this way

He still drives Hyundai

[mousti]

Katsuta says he drives blind and has the fastest time

Verstuurd vanaf mijn 2201123G met Tapatalk

[TypeR]

Solberg is pushing!
37sec faster than Gus

[EstWRC]

Before stopping they drove slower for some time and discussed what to do, the closing itself took about 30 seconds.

Thanks.

I see his first split remained the fastest. Shame again

[Tauri_J]

He still drives Hyundai


Does it really matter if his main competitor is doing half a season?

[CeskyOndra]

Does it really matter if his main competitor is doing half a season?

It does, Evans had more points last season.

[TypeR]

What else :D no intercom for Tanak/Jarveoja

Tanak gave Martin a smile and thumb-up at the end of stage :D

[EstWRC]

Neuville will be a champion half way into the championship if it continues this way

Not his fault that others are driving shit and falling apart

He has been superb so far in this season but his days will also come. I’m sure about that

And this forum is quite dead like the series itself unfortunately

[CeskyOndra]

Common guys why is it so dead here.. Sleeping Warrior is coming!

[Gonek]

They explained that they couldn't strengthen the propshaft and gearbox at the same time because of the jokeres. The gearbox didn't become weaker but is now relatively the weakest link because the propshaft is stronger. Think of it like this, if you take a stock car with stock drivetrain and keep adding power the gearbox/half shafts/propshaft/diff will at one point be overwhelmed and break, if you strengthen the weakest link at one point the next weakest component will fail unless every component is changed for a strong enough one.

Another question which comes to me is why it happend only to Lappi? If I remember correctly, last year the propshaft failed 2 times on Lappi’s car. Why this car is more affected than others? Maybe they just give worse or used parts for Lappi?

[Eli]

Common guys why is it so dead here.. Sleeping Warrior is coming!

Watching the rally on their tv app, seeing their broken telemetry.

[Tauri_J]

It does, Evans had more points last season.

Evans has his moments but doesnt have that final piece/edge over others that could give him title. This season was all about Neuville vs Tänak, since Ogier and Kalle are out.

[Eli]

Not his fault that others are driving shit and falling apart

He has been superb so far in this season but his days will also come. I’m sure about that

And this forum is quite dead like the series itself unfortunately

This forum is tired with the series doing everything to shoot down itself in the leg time and again as if the FIA are just waiting slowly for this series to die, but honestly I’m beating a dead horse at this point.

[jonkka]

Common guys why is it so dead here.. Sleeping Warrior is coming!

Nothing happening, nothing worth commenting.

[rallyfiend]

This forum is tired with the series doing everything to shoot down itself in the leg time and again as if the FIA are just waiting slowly for this series to die, but honestly I’m beating a dead horse at this point.

I think the FIA are more of a problem than anything else. No one seems to think they know what they are doing.

Clearly they are trying to drive the manufacturers away with this Working Group that seemingly didn't even talk to anyone.

And BTW, these current regs are also the product of the FIA....

[CeskyOndra]

Evans has his moments but doesnt have that final piece/edge over others that could give him title. This season was all about Neuville vs Tänak, since Ogier and Kalle are out.

So you telling me that fight is over, Evans can't beat Neuville? I don't think so..

[Tauri_J]

Not his fault that others are driving shit and falling apart

He has been superb so far in this season but his days will also come. I’m sure about that

And this forum is quite dead like the series itself unfortunately

I agree, Neuville's been excellent.

As for the series, think its hit rock bottom. As for myself cant really tell whats the main reason I have lost interest. Weak competition/Ott sucking? Probably both. Just 2-3 seasons ago I was taking fridays off just to watch rally. The excitment was building through the week, now rallying is like white noise. LOL

[TypeR]

That is awesome to watch :D very very slippery! Things may happen here


Edit: animals getting hit not awesome*, but not Lappi's fault tho.

[meh]

Quite eventful run by Lappi, hitting zebra, some other animals on the road as well.

[CeskyOndra]

Quite eventful run by Lappi, hitting zebra, some other animals on the road as well.

Unfortunately this zebra won't make it

[Tauri_J]

Another question which comes to me is why it happend only to Lappi? If I remember correctly, last year the propshaft failed 2 times on Lappi’s car. Why this car is more affected than others? Maybe they just give worse or used parts for Lappi?

Some drivers are just car breakers. Cant you notice a trend?

[TypeR]

Helicopter should warn drivers about animals or at least they would maybe stay away from the helicopter..

[Tauri_J]

So you telling me that fight is over, Evans can't beat Neuville? I don't think so..

No, the fight is over when its mathematically impossible to catch the championship leader. But in a fair fight with no mechanical/driver errors Evans just doesnt have that raw speed to beat others. His main weapon is consistency, I can give him that.

[CeskyOndra]

No, the fight is over when its mathematically impossible to catch the championship leader. But in a fair fight with no mechanical/driver errors Evans just doesnt have that raw speed to beat others. His main weapon is consistency, I can give him that.

Okey I agree with this

[TypeR]

Okay, now from Fourmaux the helicopter is up and they don't have to slow down for animals.. a bit unfair, but okay.

E: Lappi problems again, just cruising

[meh]

What, Katsuta 5sec faster than Neuville in 1st split. This will not end up well.

[CeskyOndra]

What, Katsuta 5sec faster than Neuville in 1st split. This will not end up well.

Conditions definitelly improving. Water is pulled out from the road

[TypeR]

Instead of showing rally,they show Lappi's cruising for long time.. ffs wrc+

[meh]

It will be a puncture lottery probably here - Lappi and Tänak both with punctures.

[CeskyOndra]

The rocky section on the hill isnt close to finish this year, so you have to go long time with puncture

[Eli]

Unfortunately this zebra won't make it

Poor Zebra, I feel bad for it, they should definitely used a helicopter to warn the crews.

[jonkka]

Does anyone know how thick the windscreen on those cars actually is? On Neuville's onboard, it looked it the glass wonked and warped all the time like thin plastic due to car's vibrations, didn't look at all that solid to me.

[Tauri_J]

Front right puncture for Taka?

[meh]

It will be a puncture lottery probably here - Lappi and Tänak both with punctures.

Taka did not win the lottery. Admitted to be his mistake.

Seems that Evans with puncture as well. Does he have enough spares to reach the service?

[Eli]

Front right puncture for Taka?

& for Evans.

[Tauri_J]

and Kalle destroys everyone...yaaawn

[CeskyOndra]

Lalalalallaa and Neuville again on Saturday morning absolutely blasted to the 2nd place..

[1988senna]

what the hell of kalle's pace, doesn't he care about the possible crash?

[Oliverk]

what the hell of kalle's pace, doesn't he care about the possible crash?

why should he?

[Tauri_J]

what the hell of kalle's pace, doesn't he care about the possible crash?

Thats his normal pace

[Rallyper]

Common guys why is it so dead here.. Sleeping Warrior is coming!

It´s quite a dead rally to me.

[1988senna]

Thats his normal pace

well ,I can't imagine what could stop kalle next year, maybe it's time for him to try other sport

[EstWRC]

what the hell of kalle's pace, doesn't he care about the possible crash?

He is driving only selected rallies, the only thing he cares is win and he doesn’t care if crashes while getting the win or not. He has nothing to lose

This is also where the huge difference in pace comes compared to Tänak, Neuville and Evans cause they have to manage and make sure they get to the finish and get points and think about championship

But next year he will walk the championship anyway. He is just step above others and one with the machine like Tänak was with Toyota or Ogier with VW or Loeb with Citroen.

[CeskyOndra]

It´s quite a dead rally to me.

For me it is quite close this year here.. If u dont like tough rallies at all, I understand

[Rallyper]

For me it is quite close this year here.. If u dont like tough rallies at all, I understand

I like tough rallies. But it´s all about the format. Can´t really explain.
(And also done a lot of carpenter work together with my son in law.)

[1988senna]

He is driving only selected rallies, the only thing he cares is win and he doesn’t care if crashes while getting the win or not. He has nothing to lose

This is also where the huge difference in pace comes compared to Tänak, Neuville and Evans cause they have to manage and make sure they get to the finish and get points and think about championship

But next year he will walk the championship anyway. He is just step above others and one with the machine like Tänak was with Toyota or Ogier with VW or Loeb with Citroen.
For me , he has out performance the three in pace , I used to believe Ogier with VW is the fastest of all time , but now I should change my mind

[EstWRC]

It´s quite a dead rally to me.

For me not just this rally but the whole series

This is the first time in 10 years that I’ve decided not to go and watch a rally in live.

[denkimi]

what the hell of kalle's pace, doesn't he care about the possible crash?
That's the pace of someone who doesn't have to worry about the championship, and has all his other competitors with nothing left to fight for.

But i still think it's stupid from him to keep such a high pace with all risks connected to it when there is no need anymore.

[Eli]

For me not just this rally but the whole series

This is the first time in 10 years that I’ve decided not to go and watch a rally in live.

Heyyy,at least they did that 'fan survey' am I right? ;)

[CeskyOndra]

Lets see what Afternoon will bring for us. The clouds are pretty much rising now, I think we might see all the 3 stages wet. Or at least 2 of them

[Morte66]

Evans is about a minute behind Fourmaux and has a big gap behind himself. That's not changing unless Fourmaux has a problem or something very wacky happens with exquisitely timed rain. So he might as well get through the day and think about Sunday points.

This afternoon is about the Neuville/Katsuta battle, whatever semi-random car damage and punctures occur, and perhaps the rain.

[Morte66]

I'm sorry to say I'm just not very taken with the "safari rally" so far, and I'm not sure what the fuss is about. It's flat, drab, starts at 5 a.m. my time, the WRC2 drivers I want to watch don't enter it, there may have been financial irregularities, and it appears to depend more on cleaning/punctures/rocks than car and driver.

But... I wasn't going to watch the gravel rallies this year, and I'm watching Kenya because it comes free in a one-month sub to cover Croatia. So perhaps it's my own fault.

[EstWRC]

80% chance of showers overnight
91% chance of thunderstorms tomorrow
:D

In Kenya or where?

[CeskyOndra]

In Kenya or where?

Dont worry bro rain will come

[CeskyOndra]

Evans is about a minute behind Fourmaux and has a big gap behind himself. That's not changing unless Fourmaux has a problem or something very wacky happens with exquisitely timed rain. So he might as well get through the day and think about Sunday points.

This afternoon is about the Neuville/Katsuta battle, whatever semi-random car damage and punctures occur, and perhaps the rain.

I think that it is about everyone, no one knows what will happen

[EstWRC]

https://x.com/dennohspinner/status/1773978653564481977?s=46&t=AWria8OgC1kV5QC61vX5Xg

[Morte66]

https://x.com/dennohspinner/status/1773978653564481977?s=46&t=AWria8OgC1kV5QC61vX5Xg

They threaded it through the rocks almost perfectly.

[EstWRC]

As they didn’t show the onboard or this shot I wasn’t aware how many animals Tänak got on this straight

https://x.com/hmsgofficial/status/1774003633379750098?s=46&t=AWria8OgC1kV5QC61vX5Xg

[CeskyOndra]

Lot of rain in the service park right now

[rallyfiend]

I'm sorry to say I'm just not very taken with the "safari rally" so far, and I'm not sure what the fuss is about. It's flat, drab, starts at 5 a.m. my time, the WRC2 drivers I want to watch don't enter it, there may have been financial irregularities, and it appears to depend more on cleaning/punctures/rocks than car and driver.

But... I wasn't going to watch the gravel rallies this year, and I'm watching Kenya because it comes free in a one-month sub to cover Croatia. So perhaps it's my own fault.

Isn't this exactly what Safari is supposed to be?!

[AndersX]

Just watch how WDC moulds up around the driver who is destained to earn it - small things that go right way, small "luck" moments etc. This is Thierry year! After 57 seasons he is finally on the track to become a champion - it comes his way. Lets hope he does not f.... it up.

[Tauri_J]

I'm sorry to say I'm just not very taken with the "safari rally" so far, and I'm not sure what the fuss is about. It's flat, drab, starts at 5 a.m. my time, the WRC2 drivers I want to watch don't enter it, there may have been financial irregularities, and it appears to depend more on cleaning/punctures/rocks than car and driver.

But... I wasn't going to watch the gravel rallies this year, and I'm watching Kenya because it comes free in a one-month sub to cover Croatia. So perhaps it's my own fault.

Theres nothing wrong with Safari. Pictures/scenery which they broadcast are awesome. Cars are awesome. Its just that competition sucks.

[rallyfiend]

Theres nothing wrong with Safari. Pictures/scenery which they broadcast are awesome. Cars are awesome. Its just that competition sucks.

Safari's of the past there were MINUTES between each car in the leaderboard after Day 1. Welcome to this format of rally, that everyone says they want more of!

Just the other day the President said the drivers had asked for a 5 day event. Imagine the gaps if that was to be the case!

Everyone always likes ideas, but never the reality around here.....

[EstWRC]

Tänak will get into the points with afternoon and Serderidis in 8th is 6 minutes away. In the morning he took 5 minutes back from Serderidis

So he definitely has a target at least

[Dontcut]

Sleeping Warrior's broadcast should focus on the muddy bit at the beginning. We didn't see how top guys tackled the mud and hairpin corner.

[CeskyOndra]

Just watch how WDC moulds up around the driver who is destained to earn it - small things that go right way, small "luck" moments etc. This is Thierry year! After 57 seasons he is finally on the track to become a champion - it comes his way. Lets hope he does not f.... it up.

I always think about this at the start of the season but then he crash out in bad situation and its lost.. lets hope this year will be different

[Tauri_J]

Safari's of the past there were MINUTES between each car in the leaderboard after Day 1. Welcome to this format of rally, that everyone says they want more of!

Just the other day the President said the drivers had asked for a 5 day event. Imagine the gaps if that was to be the case!

Everyone always likes ideas, but never the reality around here.....

Back then they could get that time back because they were running over 1000km. Now, no chance.

But I think we have to let it go, WRC will never be the same. We aint seeing drivers changing steering arms in the middle of the stage etc.

[Backa]

I enjoyed it so far but I would enjoy it more if rally.tv let me watch replays of stages I missed. Terrible streaming.

Neuville started day 4th and is now 2nd. Evans was 2nd and is now 5th. I would say championship battle is competitive. Tanak started this season badly but with 10 rallies to go, his chances aren't over yet. With new format he can compensate friday's bad luck quite nicely tomorrow.

Rovanpera not cruising despite big lead which is risky. I like it.

Maybe people just love to complain...

[EstWRC]

Where’s the rain?

[TypeR]

Another thing that is making driving interesting.. Jarveoja struggled with the door at start and now again was messing with it.. seems like it doesn't want to stay 100% locked


E: and now car full of dust

[SubaruNorway]

Watch Tänak with the FX cam in SS4 some wild moments!

[EstWRC]

Tänak just can’t catch a break here. All the time something happening. Now car full of dust

[CeskyOndra]

Where’s the rain?

This stage isnt around lake or hill, rain will be on next stages I think

[TypeR]

Seems like dust is the least problem for Tanak.. other issues due to snorkel? They haven't used it before here..

[Morte66]

Tänak will get into the points with afternoon and Serderidis in 8th is 6 minutes away. In the morning he took 5 minutes back from Serderidis

2 mins on the first stage, so it's definitely on. Assuming his car holds together.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville disaster as per on Safari.

[TypeR]

Same issues for Neuville?
Came faster than Tanak and overheated?

[EstWRC]

Hyundai is just such a joke every year at this rally

[CeskyOndra]

No words

[Fast Eddie WRC]

At least the hybrid power let them finish the stage.

[er88]

So sorry for Thierry. Disaster for tinpot Hyundai

[CeskyOndra]

This is the end for Thierry

[WRC1]

i think Hyundai must not pull out, they will not find drivers who want to drive this shit cars ....

[CeskyOndra]

They said that his engine was running at that moment. Hopefully Its gonna be OK and maybe he can pull 20s back to Evans

[Morte66]

Well, even as an Evans fan, that sucks.

I hope Neuville can fix that by the road and get back in. A fuel pump might be a spanner and pipe cleaner job, we can hope. If so, he's about 20 seconds behind Evans and the championship lead is roughly where it was before Evans got his puncture.

But it didn't look good.

[er88]

Thierry moving again, with engine power. Lets see if the car is "fixed" for the next stage....

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So sorry for Thierry. Disaster for tinpot Hyundai

Thanks for allocating your tinpot title from MSport.. even though Hyundai spend £millions more.

[Eli]

So sorry for Thierry. Disaster for tinpot Hyundai

It's been a bad event for them since it's reintroduction in 2021.

[focus206]

People quick to give the title to Neuville, I really can't understand why... he drives a Hyundai. As I've been saying, Evans is the favourite for the title, he could be twice as slow as he is, but he still drives a Toyota.

[Dontcut]

People quick to give the title to Neuville, I really can't understand why... he drives a Hyundai. As I've been saying, Evans is the favourite for the title, he could be twice as slow as he is, but he still drives a Toyota.

Wanna bet?

[CeskyOndra]

If Evans can finish all the rallies without problem then it is obvious who will be champ

[WRCStan]

Compact dynamics keeping Neuville in the rally then?

[EstWRC]

Guys, there is still 10 rounds to go and 300 points on the table.

Too soon to give titles to anyone. Even Tänak has a chance still

[Backa]

If Evans can finish all the rallies without problem then it is obvious who will be champ

When was last time driver finish 10 rallies in a row without problem?

[focus206]

When was last time driver finish 10 rallies in a row without problem?

I don't remember any serious technical trouble for Evans last year... does anyone? Only mistakes.

[Oliverk]

No rain again. Scam like always.

[EstWRC]

No rain again. Scam like always.

This. Can’t believe it was prognosed as 90% for today

[CeskyOndra]

Guys rain will come on sleeping warrior! It must

[CeskyOndra]

Look at the huge storm cloud over the mountains..

[TypeR]

Guys rain will come on sleeping warrior! It must
And then it's cancelled..


Ofc hopefully not :D

[linni]

This is the first time in 10 years that I’ve decided not to go and watch a rally in live.

Going to Poland. Cheap beer and good food.

[AndersX]

People quick to give the title to Neuville, I really can't understand why... he drives a Hyundai. As I've been saying, Evans is the favourite for the title, he could be twice as slow as he is, but he still drives a Toyota.

This is Therry's year! He must bring WDC to H before they pull out! (Sorry, I do not believe for Tanak any more - he can put together 1 or 2 rallies, but not entire season)

[CeskyOndra]

Lets see If Thierry has fixed it!

[CeskyOndra]

Fixed!!

[GigiGalliNo1]

Going to Poland. Cheap beer and good food.

See you there.

[CeskyOndra]

See you there.

I will be in Poland too

[Tauri_J]

He still drives Hyundai

Comment of the day

[Morte66]

Is Polish beer good?

[EstWRC]

Fourmaux is such a positive surprise this season so far

Not only the consistency but also he has great speed

[CeskyOndra]

Okey it is over

[Oliverk]

Is Polish beer good?

Yes. Everything is good there. Only people are nuts.

[Morte66]

Well, not so fixed.

Ten minutes ago, I think the winner of the title battle between Neuville and Evans was Fourmaux. But Evans just nosed ahead.

[Morte66]

Yes. Everything is good there. Only people are nuts.

Nuts are good.

[jonkka]

Nuts are good.

Said the squirrel.

[linni]

Is Polish beer good?

It is, actually.

[Tauri_J]

Fourmaux is such a positive surprise this season so far

Not only the consistency but also he has great speed

Yup, slightly worse results than Tänak but better attitude and 10x cheaper

[CeskyOndra]

I dont know bigger fighter than Neuville tbh

[Rally Hokkaido]

Neuville got his engine running again for the last few kms of the stage

[Morte66]

Mr Chen, Evans is not trying to overtake Fourmaux this afternoon.

[focus206]

Sleeping Warrior is 36 Km, if Neuville's issues continue he'd probably lose more than 10 minutes and end up outside the point zone for the ghost Saturday classification.

[CeskyOndra]

Sleeping Warrior is 36 Km, if Neuville's issues continue he'd probably lose more than 10 minutes and end up outside the point zone for the ghost Saturday classification.

Can he just retire and take 10min penalty?

[J4MIE]

Mr Chen, Evans is not trying to overtake Fourmaux this afternoon.

He is completely clueless every time I sadly have to listen to him when watching.
WRC should get rid of him and get Julian back.

[focus206]

Can he just retire and take 10min penalty?

I guess he would end up 9th or 10th with 10 minutes penalty

[CeskyOndra]

Sleeping Warrior is 36 Km, if Neuville's issues continue he'd probably lose more than 10 minutes and end up outside the point zone for the ghost Saturday classification.

But If he can go like towards the finish of the previous stage (no EV, just low power but going) then he would loose maybe like 5-7 minutes which is enough

[CeskyOndra]

I guess he would end up 9th or 10th with 10 minutes penalty

He would be behind solberg (8) if serderidis and kajto will loose at least 2 minutes to the stage winner.. But still it is just poor 3 points

[Morte66]

He is completely clueless every time I sadly have to listen to him when watching.
WRC should get rid of him and get Julian back.

Whenever I listen to WRC commentary, I think "At least it's not Jon Desborough".

[CeskyOndra]

Look at the storm behind now

[Morte66]

Did I hear that right? There is a Munster Junior, and he's making his WRC debut in the Safari rally.

[J4MIE]

Neuville can still retire as soon as he sees he’s lost 10 mins, and can also retire on the road section which counts as retiring on that stage.

Just hope he doesn’t get caught in traffic on the way to service for 8 hours like we did last year…. lol :rolleyes:

[Oliverk]

Still no rain. Complete Nigerian scam ongoing.

[jonkka]

Did I hear that right? There is a Munster Junior, and he's making his WRC debut in the Safari rally.

Yes, competitor #25 Charles Munster.

[TypeR]

Why Lappi don't stop, kick the windshield off and put goggles..

At the moment its so dangerous when some pieces may fly in the eyes..

[CeskyOndra]

And why issue for Hyundai again common so unlucky

[Dontcut]

Why Lappi don't stop, kick the windshield off and put goggles..

At the moment its so dangerous when some pieces may fly in the eyes..

Then next animal will enter the interior.

[CeskyOndra]

Neuville nice rhytm now

[wwbroe]

Yes, competitor #25 Charles Munster.
He is the younger brother of Gregoire, son of Bernard Munster. It is his first rally in WRC.

[SubaruNorway]

Then next animal will enter the interior.

Yup. Was that a bird almost through Fourmaux windscreen?

[Morte66]

So Serderis beats Tanak by 1.7 seconds at the end of the day, and locks in those Saturday points for the championship.

[Morte66]

I really like "Sleeping Warrior". I take back some of what I said.

[CeskyOndra]

So Serderis beats Tanak by 1.7 seconds at the end of the day, and locks in those Saturday points for the championship.

Omg that is so unlucky for Ott

[wwbroe]

So Serderis beats Tanak by 1.7 seconds at the end of the day, and locks in those Saturday points for the championship.
That is if he finishes the rally on sunday:D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Vital Saturday finish for Neuville. Great perseverance.

[CeskyOndra]

Neuville taking 8 points from Today.

[Morte66]

Very professional from Neuville.

[EstWRC]

Total scam this weather prediction

[EstWRC]

So Serderis beats Tanak by 1.7 seconds at the end of the day, and locks in those Saturday points for the championship.

Serderidis upped his pace, in the morning he lost 3 minutes to Tänak here, now 2.25

[Morte66]

Oh sod it.

[becher]

Evans another puncture now.

[TypeR]

Serderidis upped his pace, in the morning he lost 3 minutes to Tänak here
If... Lappi had stopped earlier, Tanak would have had less dust..
But it is like it is..

[CeskyOndra]

Evans lucky not to lost the wheel..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Chance of successive podiums now for Fourmaux.

[Morte66]

Oh well, that didn't matter for Evans in the end. He doesn't change position today, and the timings reset tomorrow.

[EstWRC]

IMO its more to do not having intercom and all the animals on the road today than Lappis dust here

[dupanton]

IMO its more to do not having intercom and all the animals on the road today than Lappis dust here

And forgetting to close the bonnet this morning.

[wwbroe]

Charles Munster is stopped on the stage, real pitty, was doing great untill now

[EstWRC]

a stage win for Tänak then

tomorrow another fight for him, him and Taka will battle who will start 4th in Croatia, atm Taka 27 points and Tänak 22 points

[focus206]

Big damage limitation for Neuville, but this Hyundai...
How many punctures for Evans this rally? 4?

[TypeR]

IMO its more to do not having intercom and all the animals on the road today than Lappis dust here


And forgetting to close the bonnet this morning.
Yes, all these problems also..

[J4MIE]

Lappi +10.18 so will be quicker to retire and only be +10 mins.

Not that it makes any difference. But would give longer service time for the car this evening.

[CeskyOndra]

Evans should has benefited more from Neuville's problems.. It's a shame for him, because there is starting position in Croatia in the game, which is so important.

[wwbroe]

Munster Jr is driving again, lost about 11 minutes on the place he stopped

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans should has benefited more from Neuville's problems.. It's a shame for him, because there is starting position in Croatia in the game, which is so important.

No Toyota team orders either so Rovanpera and Katsuta both taking (Leg 1) points off him.

[focus206]

Evans should has benefited more from Neuville's problems.. It's a shame for him, because there is starting position in Croatia in the game, which is so important.

It's true that when your rival hits trouble, you must capitalize. But we know that the i20 will break down several times more than the Yaris over the course of the season, so Neuville going from 2nd to 5th is already benefitting enough for them.

[focus206]

No Toyota team orders either so Rovanpera and Katsuta both taking (Leg 1) points off him.

Well, there's Fourmaux in the way... this would mean giving Fourmaux the Saturday "win" for the points, never seen team orders to such degree.

[wwbroe]

Charly Munster made it to the end of the stage

[J4MIE]

WRC Regulations
34.1.6
Any driving during the competition with a badly damaged windscreen which obstructs the driver’s view significantly is forbidden.

[Morte66]

I suppose Toyota's ideal result tomorrow would be:
- Evans takes 12 Sunday points for their WDC hopes
- Rovanpera or Katsuta come second on Sunday points for the WCC
- Rovanpera and Katsuta take overall 1/2 on the podium for the marketing people

These are compatible.

Of course Fourmaux, Neuville and Tanak may have something to say.

[Morte66]

WRC Regulations
34.1.6
Any driving during the competition with a badly damaged windscreen which obstructs the driver’s view significantly is forbidden.

Dun dun dun...

[J4MIE]

Dun dun dun...

Nothing will happen.

Just shows how pointless some of the rules are.

[J4MIE]

Total scam this weather prediction

91% chance of rain isn’t 100% chance of rain ;)

[janneppi]

91% chance of rain isn’t 100% chance of rain ;)Few years ago I looked at the weather prediction and saw Only a 10% chance of rain for the morning and decided to bike to work. It rained 17 of the 18km to work.

Sent from my CPH2399 using Tapatalk

[Tauri_J]

91% chance of rain isn’t 100% chance of rain ;)

It rained heavily, not just on stages

[EstWRC]

whats the weather forecast for tomorrow?

[TypeR]

whats the weather forecast for tomorrow?

,,Have you ever seen the rain?'' - feat Kris Meeke
:D


https://youtu.be/Cko4smM0ekU?si=FXfjThtIIK2mzJWi

[J4MIE]

50% chance of rain tomorrow.
But only a tiny few areas of Oserian that has black cotton (if any), so not much chance of “proper safari” mud.
Malewa has one small mud hole that might be wet too, but otherwise that and Hell’s Gate it is loose and gravelly, similar to Loldia.


Thunderstorms developing in the afternoon. High 25°C. Winds ENE at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50%.

[CeskyOndra]

[QUOTE=Morte66;1343181]I suppose Toyota's ideal result tomorrow would be:
- Evans takes 12 Sunday points for their WDC hopes
- Rovanpera or Katsuta come second on Sunday points for the WCC
- Rovanpera and Katsuta take overall 1/2 on the podium for the marketing people

These are compatible.

Of course Fourmaux, Neuville and Tanak may have something to say.[/QUOTE

To be honest, I bet on Neuville or Tanak tomorrow, If their car won't break up. (They really have to take points for manu also) Kalle won't be pushing so much, Taka too and Elfyn isn't that quick by mi opinion.

[Eli]

,,Have you ever seen the rain?'' - feat Kris Meeke
:D


https://youtu.be/Cko4smM0ekU?si=FXfjThtIIK2mzJWi

Damn I can't believe I'm saying it and it has nothing to do with the rain but I miss that Toyota livery.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Well, there's Fourmaux in the way... this would mean giving Fourmaux the Saturday "win" for the points, never seen team orders to such degree.

Fourmaux and MSport are no threat for the Championships and the Toyotas could easily overtake him on Sunday for the overall 1-2.

[Eli]

Whenever I listen to WRC commentary, I think "At least it's not Jon Desborough".

Well, he's still doing the daily highlights, all of them in their entirety...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Fourmaux and MSport are no threat for the Championships...

But maybe I'm wrong ! ;)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJ8dFQzW0AAeeqQ?format=jpg&name=medium

[mknight]

I find it extremely funny how Fourmaux is taking second podium and massive points by essentially driving around 5th place in speed on all his rallies.

That said steady approach was exactly what he was missing until this year. Even as late as last year he did that crash in Sardinia + Japan. Cheers to him if he now learned driving at 90% and actually getting results.

[Morte66]

I find it extremely funny how Fourmaux is taking second podium and massive points by essentially driving around 5th place in speed on all his rallies.

It strikes me that Dani Sordo made a pretty decent career out of that. It's not to be sniffed at.

Though there might be more to come from Fourmaux. I feel like he could be the next Evans, a contender.

[wwbroe]

Puncture for Lappi and he has only one spare

[TypeR]

Don't get how Hyundai allows to make these joke decisions to take only 1 spare.. in Kenya!

[Tauri_J]

Tänak has a time penalty?

[tonirali]

Just noticed that too! Anyone know what happened?

[1988senna]

is the penalty belong to Sunday?

[J4MIE]

Tanak late into parc ferme last night - TC13C

[KKS]

Tanak late into parc ferme last night - TC13CHuyndai start to be a joke team😕

[wwbroe]

This stage seemed like a lottery, who ever get trough without puncture can put a good time

[J4MIE]

This stage seemed like a lottery, who ever get trough without puncture can put a good time

It’s a horrible stage, the worst of the rally.
Decent one next luckily.

[wwbroe]

Don't get how Hyundai allows to make these joke decisions to take only 1 spare.. in Kenya!
Tanak as well with only one spare, but we are used to see that in his case

[J4MIE]

Malewa only one this morning with high puncture risk, so taking one spare isn’t a bad choice.

[J4MIE]

Tyre guide from last year

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QkDLl8ulmDLdUUPkXVjGqOiz2kxclRff/view?usp=drivesdk

[wwbroe]

Tanak very fast in there

[wwbroe]

Evans even faster, it will be close battle with Neuville and Tanak for sunday points, unless Kalle will do some strike again

[EstWRC]

So Tänaks penalty means he won’t get any points today?

.Everything has gone as bad as it could for him in this rally

[wwbroe]

So Tänaks penalty means he won’t get any points today?

.Everything has gone as bad as it could for him in this rally
Is that taken into account? I mean the penalty, because it was from last night?

[EstWRC]

Is that taken into account? I mean the penalty, because it was from last night?

Ewrc shows yes but WRC.com shows shows whatever . So I don’t know

https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/56095-safari-rally-kenya-2024/?leg=3

[wwbroe]

I saw that as well, that is why i was wondering. Seems unfair to take that into account for today?

[J4MIE]

Ewrc shows yes but WRC.com shows shows whatever . So I don’t know

https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/56095-safari-rally-kenya-2024/?leg=3

It shows he has a penalty but not where.
Wrc.com shows it as last night so doesn’t affect just Sunday result, but he carries it overall.

[EstWRC]

It shows he has a penalty but not where.
Wrc.com shows it as last night so doesn’t affect just Sunday result, but he carries it overall.

Yeah thanks. WRC.com indeed shows it’s from TC13 so it won’t affect today

[KKS]

It shows he has a penalty but not where.
Wrc.com shows it as last night so doesn’t affect just Sunday result, but he carries it overall.



3.3.2 For the World Rally Championships for Manufacturers,
for Drivers and for Co-Drivers, additional points as per the
following scale will be awarded according to an accumulated
general classification of Sunday only, comprising the part
from the first time control after the overnight regroup up to
and including the final time control of the competition element
of the rally (with all time penalties accrued in this part of the
competition).


So penalty add from 1st sunday stage to overall clasification, but not counted for supersunday as tc13c is saturday tc

[J4MIE]

So penalty add from 1st sunday stage to overall clasification, but not counted for supersunday as tc13c is saturday tc

I mean technically penalties are in a separate part of overall, not added to a stage time, so penalty from last night will only affect points for Thursday-Saturday.

The Sunday points are from TC13D onwards.

[KKS]

I mean technically penalties are in a separate part of overall, not added to a stage time, so penalty from last night will only affect points for Thursday-Saturday.

The Sunday points are from TC13D onwards.
Emm, no.. we have some reg clash here. If Tanak was faster than Serderidis after Saturday, get 2pts for P9 and got penalty at tc13c it will add 'after ss14' at Sunday. Not affect saturday overall and not affect supersunday��

[KKS]

Emm, no.. we have some reg clash here. If Tanak was faster than Serderidis after Saturday, get 2pts for P9 and got penalty at tc13c it will add 'after ss14' at Sunday. Not affect saturday overall and not affect supersunday��
Basicly Huyndai invent a free, unlimited Saturday evening service :)

[TypeR]

A bit dull stage for Kenya powerstage..
Many fast smooth straights..

[J4MIE]

Emm, no.. we have some reg clash here. If Tanak was faster than Serderidis after Saturday, get 2pts for P9 and got penalty at tc13c it will add 'after ss14' at Sunday. Not affect saturday overall and not affect supersunday��

No not quite:

3.3.1
For the World Rally Championships for Manufacturers, for Drivers and for Co-Drivers, points will be awarded for each rally taking into account the general classification after Saturday (with all time penalties accrued until and including the final time control on Saturday)

[J4MIE]

A bit dull stage for Kenya powerstage..
Many fast smooth straights..

Yes it’s the most unlike Safari stage they have, pretty rubbish for the power stage.
The better one would be Oserengoni but spectator access would be difficult.

[Eli]

A bit dull stage for Kenya powerstage..
Many fast smooth straights..

Although it did have two huge boulders in the middle of the road.

[EstWRC]

Tänaks luck strikes again…..

Huge stone in the middle of the road and had to do a spin to avoid it

[TypeR]

Neuville rear right wheel bent.. but seems like it will hold till service

[Eli]

Tänaks luck strikes again…..

Huge stone in the middle of the road and had to do a spin to avoid it

That wasn’t a stone, that was a f***ing boulder, two of them in fact….I’m sorry but I honestly would replace this event with Paraguay for next year, if only for the organizers not paying their debts.

[Tauri_J]

Tänaks luck strikes again…..

Huge stone in the middle of the road and had to do a spin to avoid it

did better than Thierry

[EstWRC]

Wtf. What would have the time for Tänak been without spin then

Took over 2 seconds back from Evans with the second half

[Tauri_J]

That wasn’t a stone, that was a f***ing boulder, two of them in fact….I’m sorry but I honestly would replace this event with Paraguay for next year, if only for the organizers not paying their debts.
Kenya isnt the only place with rocks inside of roads which get digged out by cars

[CeskyOndra]

Neuville couldnt do anything with it

[Tauri_J]

Wtf. What would have the time for Tänak been without spin then

Took over 2 seconds back from Evans with the second half

Yeah speed is there, at least looks encouraging for gravel rallies that are coming up

[J4MIE]

That wasn’t a stone, that was a f***ing boulder, two of them in fact….I’m sorry but I honestly would replace this event with Paraguay for next year, if only for the organizers not paying their debts.

Can you please ensure that no boulders ever get exposed in Paraguay? This is nothing to do with Safari organisers……

[Eli]

Kenya isnt the only place with rocks inside of roads which get digged out by cars

Have you seen the size of it? You’d have to pull it out with force, for it to stick out like that, it’s not Argentina.

[EstWRC]

So Tänak leading the Sunday with just 0.3 second over Evans at the moment but could have been much more without the spin or reverse he had to do

[Tauri_J]

So Tänak leading the Sunday with just 0.3 second over Evans at the moment but could have been much more without the spin or reverse he had to do

Exciting afternoon coming

[Morte66]

I am thinking "how did you lot get out of bed so early?", but I suppose you're an hour or two ahead of the UK.

[Eli]

I am thinking "how did you lot get out of bed so early?", but I suppose you're an hour or two ahead of the UK.

Exactly ;)

[EstWRC]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240331/e68328ff0eed082427c1ba63861f8f57.jpg

[CeskyOndra]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240331/e68328ff0eed082427c1ba63861f8f57.jpg

Isnt that wrong? Neuville is 12.3 behind

[CeskyOndra]

I am thinking "how did you lot get out of bed so early?", but I suppose you're an hour or two ahead of the UK.

Getting up is so easy when there is a rally

[TypeR]

Most likely Tanak and Lappi have to service their cars themselves again :D
Neuville broke the car and shorg time to repair..

[EstWRC]

Isnt that wrong? Neuville is 12.3 behind

Yes. You are right. Neuville is 12.3 down

WRC.com just can’t get things right

[CeskyOndra]

Yes. You are right. Neuville is 12.3 down

WRC.com just can’t get things right

Still he is pretty much in the fight I think

[jonkka]

Getting up is so easy when there is a rally

It used to be so but lately... no. I hate to be the killjoy but lately WRC really doesn't have the same appeal anymore.